What makes a war a “Just War”?
This is the question that many in the Christian community are asking do to the war now going on in Iraq.

What are your views on what qualifies a war as being 'Just'?

Originally posted by Delroy
What makes a war a “Just War”?
This is the question that many in the Christian community are asking do to the war now going on in Iraq.

Ask yourself this:
As a Christian, are you able to walk down the road, and walk past a mugger beating up and robbing an innocent bystander? If you are able to walk past that scene and let the innocent be beaten and possibly killed, knowing inside that you did nothing because you are a peaceful person, then this is an unjust war. However, if you stop, and remove the attacker from a position of power with whatever means necessary, we can consider this a justified war.

It may seem that I oversimplified the Iraq conflict, but if you look at the root of the issue the comparison is fair. The liberals holding the anti-war protests in the rest of the world have no clue what they are protesting against. Sure, the allied forces may injure or kill a few innocent Iraqis, but if we leave Saddam and his terrorist regime in power how many will he kill while in power? Sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the greater good of the people. Sometimes these sacrifices are painful and hard to swallow, but they are necessary for the good of the nation.

Iraqi law currently allows these women to be killed in the name of protecting “family honour”. Last week, a group of men led by Saddam Hussein's son Uday, beheaded with knives 50 young women in Baghdad. The heads of these women were hung on the doors of their houses for a few days.

Eyewitnesses have said that Iraqi warplanes dropped three clusters each of four bombs on the village of Birjinni on August 25, 1988. Observers recall seeing a plume of black, then yellowish smoke, followed by a not-unpleasant odor similar to fertilizer, and also a smell like rotten garlic. Shortly afterwards, villagers began to have trouble breathing, their eyes watered, their skin blistered, and many vomited--some of whom died. All of these symptoms are consistent with a poison gas attack.

If there is _any_ doubt in your mind that Saddam does not need to be removed from power, please take a look at these links:

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/2000/02/iraq99.htm

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/20-3-19103-0-39-29.html

http://www.itnet.org/kurds.html

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2000/427/427p22d.htm

http://www.phrusa.org/research/chemical_weapons/chemiraqgas2.html

This isn't exactly showing atrocities, but does show the pro-US sentiments of the liberated Iraqis.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872047/posts

yep, i say get him and his regeme out of here finally. one less tirant to deal with.

once they are finished they should ship the protestors to some island somewhere and put Saddams regeme in charge of it!

The war protestors are just wasting money and time, and causing more problems than the war itself.



Originally posted by Joe Baboon
Ask yourself this:
As a Christian, are you able to walk down the road, and walk past a mugger beating up and robbing an innocent bystander? If you are able to walk past that scene and let the innocent be beaten and possibly killed, knowing inside that you did nothing because you are a peaceful person, then this is an unjust war. However, if you stop, and remove the attacker from a position of power with whatever means necessary, we can consider this a justified war.

It may seem that I oversimplified the Iraq conflict, but if you look at the root of the issue the comparison is fair. The liberals holding the anti-war protests in the rest of the world have no clue what they are protesting against. Sure, the allied forces may injure or kill a few innocent Iraqis, but if we leave Saddam and his terrorist regime in power how many will he kill while in power? Sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the greater good of the people. Sometimes these sacrifices are painful and hard to swallow, but they are necessary for the good of the nation.

Iraqi law currently allows these women to be killed in the name of protecting “family honour”. Last week, a group of men led by Saddam Hussein's son Uday, beheaded with knives 50 young women in Baghdad. The heads of these women were hung on the doors of their houses for a few days.

Eyewitnesses have said that Iraqi warplanes dropped three clusters each of four bombs on the village of Birjinni on August 25, 1988. Observers recall seeing a plume of black, then yellowish smoke, followed by a not-unpleasant odor similar to fertilizer, and also a smell like rotten garlic. Shortly afterwards, villagers began to have trouble breathing, their eyes watered, their skin blistered, and many vomited--some of whom died. All of these symptoms are consistent with a poison gas attack.

If there is _any_ doubt in your mind that Saddam does not need to be removed from power, please take a look at these links:

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/2000/02/iraq99.htm

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/20-3-19103-0-39-29.html

http://www.itnet.org/kurds.html

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2000/427/427p22d.htm

http://www.phrusa.org/research/chemical_weapons/chemiraqgas2.html

This isn't exactly showing atrocities, but does show the pro-US sentiments of the liberated Iraqis.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872047/posts

Any one willing to use weapons of mass destruction without a second thought needs not to hold the positon he does.
It has been said that Korea has the same weapons

BIG DEAL.
They have never used them on there own people

I loved your analogy of comparison. One may never look at it this way. However one of the main issues persons are facing today are those of misinformation. The only thing people are seeing is the US trying to step in and control everones nation but there own. They don't see the hardship Sadaam has put on his nation, or the cruelty he enforces on their daily lives. All this information shoud've been broadcasted so people could really appreciate why war was the final choice in an effort to remove Sadaam. The only info people were really receiving was, he have dangerous chemicals in his posession that are detrimental to the world if used. Nothing was ever said about anything else. I believe Sadaam should be removed, but I still don't see why the US was in such a hurry. Irag is not the only country expericing hardship, so there has to be more to this war than what's been said.

Concerned

this is an awesome thread.

while I don't support killing the terrorists, death is inevitable, cause they ain't gonna come out quietly.


posted by rory -
once they are finished they should ship the protestors to some island somewhere and put Saddams regeme in charge of it!

The war protestors are just wasting money and time, and causing more problems than the war itself.

just love your twisted logic rory.

and they really need to make america aware of the things that these leaders/terorists are doing to the people of these countries.

it boggles the mind to think a nation with guns and explosives would execute women by sawing of their heads with knives.

there has got to be some major demonic issues going on in that part of the world.

this is an awesome thread.

while I don't support killing the terrorists, death is inevitable, cause they ain't gonna come out quietly.


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once they are finished they should ship the protestors to some island somewhere and put Saddams regeme in charge of it!

The war protestors are just wasting money and time, and causing more problems than the war itself.(/QUOTE)

just love your twisted logic rory.

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(QUOTE)and they really need to make america aware of the things that these leaders/terorists are doing to the people of these countries.

it boggles the mind to think a nation with guns and explosives would execute women by sawing of their heads with knives.

there has got to be some major demonic issues going on in that part of the world.



I tried helping you once but it got messed up I will try again

Well, I think that the war was justified, being that there were crimes against humanity being done in Iraq, and that those crimes had spread across the globe before, and was threatening to spread again. Everyone knows about the mass executions and other violent punishments handed out by the Saddam Hussein regime, yet some argue that the US had no right to invade Iraq. Now I agree that there seemed to be an underlined agenda behind it, (oil :) )...but this does not elude the fact that Saddam refused to let UN weapon inspectors into the country to confirm whether there were any WOMD. He would not conform to the regulations that other UN members are all liable to. Thus, combined with Iraq's infamous notoriety as a dangerous country, the US went to war.

Now, not thinking of Bin Laden or anyone else, sticking to the question of the Iraqui war....can't we all agree that there was enough support behind the notion that Saddam Hussein had to be removed?

I agree that at the time Bin Laden was the greatest threat, and that I wish the war turned out better than it did; but the hunt is still on for him and other terrorists like Al-zarqawi....who was suspected to be in Fallujah right? in Iraq right?....there are lots more people and countries like North Korea, who must now be addressed as well....but let's hope that North Korea can reason with the rest of the world, better than Saddam did. Then we would have no reason to expect another war.

"WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER, BUT SOMETIMES IT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION!!!" - Rizzo, 26/11/04