Does the Progressive Liberal Party which happens to be the government of the Bahamas have the credibility or the ability to govern us effectively? It seems incapable of addressing some of the various problems that have arisen of late. Aside from the PM inability to make a decision or lead the country effectively we have the following:

1) The Joyanne Cartwright Murder Trial
2) The BAIC Fiasco
3) The Junkanoo Report
4) PLP Senator Accused of Sexual Assault
5) An Ineffective Corrupt RBDF
6) A Serious Crime Wave
7) Rising Unemployment
8) An Economy In Decline (Tourism & Financial Services)
9) Rising Cost of Living
10) Crumbling Public Infrastucture
11) A Foreign Policy Out of Line With The Public's
12) Public Purse Stretched by Nepotism
13) A Failing Public Educational System
14) Political Coverups
15) A Resurging Drug Culture

These are just a few of the many problems facing this government. Unless a clear strategy or plan is articulate publicly on how these problems are going to be address and followed by ACTION then I believe there will always exist in the minds of the average bahamian the question: Why? Why did I make such a terrible mistake May 2 2002 when I voted for this bunch of useless fodder. I believe we have heard enough talk, it's time for work. One year is too long to still be talking. Ten years in the political wilderness should have been sufficient time for planning and discourse. If the PM's numerous committees have not found the answers to our problems yet then they too should go along with this failed PLP crop. Excuses just don't cut it anymore. If I can not give my boss excuses for my failings then for crying out loud why should this government. Cut bait or get the hell out of the boat.

Like my daddy would say ,the difference between the PLP and FNM as Government is like eagles and chickens in the barn. The eggs may look the same, the chicks may look the same but while one is digging the ground for worms the other is flying high .Mr Ingraham should be getting a kick out of this . He must be sitting at Croton Drive and listening to Brook Benton say " Some day, you 'll realize that you have been blind .Yes may
brother it's a just a matter of time." By the way I didn't vote PLP!!!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately I, perhaps like many others, voted for this lame government with the expectation that something better was afoot. I was suckered into believing that this indeed was a new PLP but alas it was not to be. The new PLP is not really new and neither is their performance. This is the same old PLP we kicked out of power in August 1992. No new ideas, no new plans, not even a new leader. Remember Christie was Pindling's choice to lead the party. You would think maybe after two years in power the ugly head of nepotism and corruption and the PLP basic philosphy of all for me baby would wait to show its head, but no. Less than one year into governing this "Old PLP' shows its true nature. Leopards really don't change spots. The infighting amongst themselves only serves as a distraction to the utter uselessness of this government. Maybe I am being a bit harsh with this motley crew but if someone can show me evidence of something meaningful this government has accomplished since it came to power them I will retract my harsh statements. It seems to me that their only purpose is to provide cushy jobs for political cronies and has beens. Publicly discredited persons are given first option over new young blood. How can you explain that to the average bloke. For the most part this group has been superb at oratory and nothing more. The PM is a prime example of a man who is deeply in love with his oratorical skills to the detriment of everything else. It is more important for him to sound good than to do good. Fred Mitchel is another articulate speaker whose usage of the english language is perhap beyond compare but he is a mirror image of the PM. All words, very little action. This PLP party is filled with intelligent, articulate individuals who for some reason or another are seemingly incapable of using their knowledge and talents to bring about some meaningful change to our current condition. I only wish that 2007 would soon arrive so that we could rid ourselves of this decrepit, worthless bunch. Saddam is even starting to look like a better alternative. At least he took action.

There`s a famous saying that goes like this "the more things change the more they stay the same."I have to change that when it comes to the PLP. THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE WORSE IT BECOMES! I never thought in my wildest dream that we were going to have such an inept goverment. This PLP GOVERMENT SEEM TO BE PARALYZE. They seem not to have a clue what it is to govern. They are not only arrogant but also dumb. Can someone please tell me why would a goverment sponsor a resolution to thank someone who lost over a million dollars on junkanoo. If that aint insulting to the bahamian people you tell me what is!. 2007 cant come quick enough.

Well listen to all the blood thirsty animals!
Maybe you guys should take a minute to evalute the condition of this role that we took on when we took it on.

I am not defending anybody but the government was not actually in the best of state when we got it.

And I hardly think that we are being fair looking at the fact that 50% of the ministers in office are ther for the first time.

I hope uncle Bob leaves no room for error in the position he holds on his job because I strongly believe that every one
deserves a fair break .

RADIOS

Everybody deserves a fair break. You are right. The problem is the only persons getting the breaks are the PLP old guard. Do you call that fair? The PLP knew exactly what it was getting into when they decided to run for office therefore it was their resposibility to come prepared. Selecting neophytes to head important ministries is also no excuse. These junior ministers did not just pop out of nowhere. Prior to becoming MPs they must have worked in the private sector or had some level of experience to be chosen by the PM for their various posts. I personally don't believe you need that much knowledge or experience to become a Cabinet MInister because for the most part the Permanent Secretaries run those offices. Why are we so willing to give politicians all the chances in the world when they so frequently disappoint us with broken promises. This type of madness must be unique to the bahamian political landscape. Politicians ought to be held to the same standards and requirements as any other paid worker. A fair day pay for a fair day worked. When you consider the amount of money paid to these people to govern then you will begin to realize why blood thirsty animals like me make so much noise. Let us not confuse activity for productivity. The proof is in the pudding.

Theres is no one as blind as they who would not see. The PLP Has shown what they are all about.The Prime Minister has shown he intends to ressurect the old PLPS. Just last week he pull another dinosaur from the prehistoric vault. In the person of Philip smith. He is now our ambassador to canada. Things that make you go umm.... I am tired of bahamians making excuses for the present goverment. They(PLP) must have known the state of the economy after september 11. Yet they still promise the bahamian people the entire universe!. Now when the bahamian people holds them to their promise they ask them for more time. If one had notice any progress over the last 10 months i would have ease up on them a little. Comparatively speaking the last goverment was in the same state(economy) or even worse than what the PLP is facing now. They same to have done an excellent job. they had a lot of inexperience ministers also. but instead of hearing them complain they dug in and stabilize our economy. They(FNM) same to have some sort of plan to ressurect our economy. the PLP on the other hand same to have no plan at all. except hiring as much old and decrepit PLPS as the system can dissolve. so the correct thirst is not for "blood" just good governance baby.....dont you think the bahamian people deserve that much?

Here is my thing, the Radio Talk Show were once buzzing with the critics of the former government. Now all you heard is that you have to give the Government a chance .Reminds me of one of may Grandma's saying,"What you say, depends on were you sit." Classicromeo22 give them all chance that you want brother .Remember "the grass is growing while the horses are dying"Another of Grandma 's sayings you figure it out.You don't miss your water until your well runs dry. The PLP used the media to condition the minds of Bahamian People into thinking that we were in such a bad state prior to 02-05-02 . The Punch waged a good war on behalf of it's part owner,(Tenneson Wells) for his personnel gain .His plan to brainwash the people about a party that he was and still remains in to this day worked better that he had anticipated . So well that the deal he and the MP's for Salem and Long Island cut with the PLP backfired on them and they were no longer needed to swing an election with their three seats ;thus kissing a Cabinet Minister post for Wells ( that was a part of the deal),goodbye .Wendel Jones the so called neutral Reporter would be on the radio every Sunday at 6PM with two loyal PLP Blueeyed boys either kissing the backside of anything that a PLP Government ever did or fuming like rabid dogs about something the FNM is doing wrong in their opinion. Here is the deal people Mr Ingraham was to upright and fair for your country, so rather than call him a special person. We called him a drunkard ,arrogant ,and maxium leader.I was amazed to hear Felix Bethel say leading up to the 2002 elections that the Bahamas was suffering from a lack of good leadership.I wonder want we are suffering from now Felix?? Ask a few questions of those who will admit that they voted PLP.What was it that you didn't like in the former government and do think that you got played like a flute??.Perry Christe was in Politics for over 25 Years.He was not known for one significant thing .Why was he then determinded to be the right man for the job. In the rage about the FNM Government being anti-god and about the Gay Ship coming here .When are we going to hear about the Gay movement in the PLP.? Is Sam Greene and Neil Ellis's lord not able to see within the PLP or is he (their lord ) also a PLP supporter.Can somebody tell me where is Big Bad Brad these days. I suspect that he is on the Same Flight with the Fresh Breeze and Help and Hope .Lost in the Bermuda Triangle!!!! Is Steve Mckinney the Press Liason Officer for the PLP. And if so he should resign his job at ZNS.Opps I forgot; the PLP is now in power ,that's how they do business!!!!

Come on guys. When it comes to politics, they are all ONE, FNM, PLP, etc. They only put on a show for the public but behind closed doors, they are the best of friends and are lending a helping hand to one another. And for the PLP party, I dont see the Prime Minister the one with the shoes on. Big Bad Brad seems to be running the show and hats off to him because he is the only one who appears to be aggressive and outspoken. I think we picked the wrong person for the Prime Minister, in other words he seems to be led by others and cannot stand up for what he thinks or believes in. The present PLP party, to me, appears worst than the old PLP party. At least Ping was something like Hubigity, he knew what he wanted to say and happen, and he got it done whether he was wrong or right. He had and knew what leadership was about and although he might have gone about things the wrong way sometimes, although he brought us far, he helped more people get jobs than the other parties. He cared about the people. He couldn't please everyone because that's impossible. Also, comparing then to now, crime has increased and why, one of the reasons being there are not enough jobs out there for the population, so therefore, people find other ways to make a living even if it is wrong. How would you feel if you couldn't make a dollars. Probably they need to stop living like big timers, especially when they say there is no money in the budget. Why lease bleachers for Junkanoo if things were as bad as they say. I figure if it was like they really say it is, then the bleachers was not a priority and if we used them all those years we could have used them again until we caught ourselves. When we look at actions of this sort, it can't be as bad as they say it is. Their priority for new bleachers probably was for the big timers and their special guest. If there are no jobs now what about when they start privatizing other companies and there is a staff cut. I overheard the other day that a certain company interested in buying Batelco made the comment "you know some of the staff have to go". If there are no jobs already, then wouldn't it be worst when companies are privatized and staff is cut. Let's be realistic here, the world is moving with technology and soon we won't need bodies to perform certain job functions.

Yet, now is the time. The PLP will be marking it's 4th year in office and truly there is a lot of hot air and the Bahamas burns in the meantime.

Sometimes I feel like our country will explode, espically when I see Bahamian Ministers of the gospel preaching the gospel of the PLP. Yet we can understand why they do that it is the same reason why they have a church.... money.

So for sure, now more then ever the PLP has a serious credible problem as elections draw near they are trying to showcase as an effective organization/government.

Too little to late.

I believe there will always exist in the minds of the average bahamian the question: Why? Why did I make such a terrible mistake May 2 2002 when I voted for this bunch of useless fodder.


I think it was the fireworks.

Where did all of these old posters, and newbies spring up from??
LOL...

It looks eerie, that none of the regulars were on this thread!
:jawdroop:

Does the Progressive Liberal Party which happens to be the government of the Bahamas have the credibility or the ability to govern us effectively? It seems incapable of addressing some of the various problems that have arisen of late. Aside from the PM inability to make a decision or lead the country effectively we have the following:
Some have arisen, but most of your problems are old problems.
That takes years to undo.

1) The Joyanne Cartwright Murder Trial
This was bad, but I do not see how this is a PLP incident?

2) The BAIC Fiasco
That was bad, and I do not care how Stubbs and Williams explain it, getting rid of people just because you do not like them is a no no. But, to their defense, they claimed that they were FNM plants, which was stalling the process of progress. Talk about the Public service, and its opposition sub-culture, rather than the BAIC fiasco in itself.

3) The Junkanoo Report
Never quite understood what that was about. But, if you want to talk about how Wisdom has messed up over a period of years, then you have a nightlong discussion with me.
LOL

4) PLP Senator Accused of Sexual Assault
Yea, this is pretty bad...but the trial is an old trial and was brought up under dubious circumstances. Only now that Whylly has been appointed to the senate, now does the accuser have the nerve to stand up??
Talk about an opportunist.

5) An Ineffective Corrupt RBDF
Yea, the RBDF has been in effective for the last 30 years. I do not know quite what to make of them. Thank God, that the US handles our security, but I do not trust the US to be fair with us on Immigrants

6) A Serious Crime Wave
Quit your hype. Crime goes up, and for that matter, no one in this country has the brains to analyze it, and fix it to make it as minimal as possible.

7) Rising Unemployment
Unemployment is at 10%. The third lowest in the Western Hemisphere, and has been steady between 12 and 9% for the last 4-5 years.
Actually, it went down since 2002. I am not quite sure, but I think that expats and immigrants with status are tabulated in that report.

8) An Economy In Decline (Tourism & Financial Services)
Now, you are smoking dope. Tourism has been up, 5 million last year, and rising. Financial Services has been rising, since we saw our way through the financial crisis that the FNM totally screwed up. If they did not understand complex International arrangements, they should have asked.
No way would Ping bend a pillar of our economy for anyone.... That is the truth.

9) Rising Cost of Living
The cost of living is rising worldwide. Part due to oil prices, and the war on Terror. That is something we can hardly do anything about.

10) Crumbling Public Infrastructure
You are right here; they have been wasting money on crap and private trips and the like, instead of fixing our tings. Quite the exorbitant wasteful spending, and spend right. If there is one thing where the FNM got right, was there mindful spending of tax payer money. To the end, we had a few idiots who thought they were smarter than everyone else, but we taught em a lesson, and I feel they learnt it well.

11) A Foreign Policy Out of Line With The Public's
Not to rag on the Bahamian public, but this foreign policy scare is all about nothing. Do not let a few Cuban Mafia grease balls scare you into thinking that we are pandering to Communist.
Mitchell is doing a smash job, as well as the entire staff at the Financial Services Ministry, and the MOFA.
You would not even have the eyes to see, 5 years ago on what was foreign policy, but since Mitchell is making it look good, everyone wants to be a foreign policy analyst!
LOL....:sarcastic

12) Public Purse Stretched by Nepotism
More wasteful spending, and they had better stop.

13) A Failing Public Educational System
They inherited the poor public school and education system from the FNM. The FNM single handedly threw away an entire generation with their tinkering of the BGCSE, and the course work leading up to the final exam. I can go on with that all day...AGAIN. But to counter-act this, what has happened is that the PLP had a forum, where it discussed that better pre-school and primary school education is the key to better students. And they are right, and most studies indicate that fact. That plan would take at least 10 years to see the results, in the meantime, sorry to say that the people not in the beginning stages of this new policy are screwed if they do not be extra sharp, like some have always been.

14) Political Coverups
Like the FNM has not had their share. Should we talk about the contracts Tommy T and Dizzy D were embroiled in!?!?!
Should we really talk about Tenny Wells, and his attempt at world domination?
Or should we talk about the Cable Bahamas debacle that landed some of those ex and current MP's some heavy dough??

15) A Resurging Drug Culture
I do not see that, in fact more kids that I have encountered are not involved in drugs. They hate the fact of drug abuse. They may not be on the up and up, but they aint that stupid to mess with drugs like how it was in the 80s. And that is not PLP or FNM, that is just the Bahamian society, through experience, licking the drug problem and having a conscious mind to say No.
Now, there has been PLP drug kings, and FNM drug kings...reportedly, but I remember a certain ex-PLP guy who is an MP for Andros, not being allowed to run because he had drug ties.
So, I do not know how you want to read it.
:hammer:

These are just a few of the many problems facing this government. Unless a clear strategy or plan is articulate publicly on how these problems are going to be address and followed by ACTION then I believe there will always exist in the minds of the average Bahamian the question: Why? Why did I make such a terrible mistake May 2 2002 when I voted for this bunch of useless fodder?

Nah...You voted because you were tired of the FNM. You hated the thought of that referendum, and you were tired of Ingraham's abusive style of power. The PLP represented something different.
Do not feel ashamed, especially if you like your MP. If you like your MP, stick with a good man, but if that has changed, then by all means, vote otherwise.
:)

I was one of the lucky voters, who had the luxury of having an MP with a track record of doing for his constituents. It was not about PLP or FNM for me, my MP was a good man...THEN, but now, since he has eluded to possibly not running again, I have been having second thoughts about who will be available for me, and whether or not if he decides to run again, should I give him my vote.
Choices Choices!
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