yeah, and then when I spout off the various organizations that I'm affiliated with along with how much we have contributed, someone is bound to say, "Oh look at him trying to show off!"

That's why I keep what I do to myself. You dont need to know about my personal affairs, or anyones else's for that matter. Publicly declaring one's charitable contributions diminishes the entire reason for doing so (this society loves to do this). It then becomes about you and not about the people who have been helped. Humility and doing things because they need to be done. That's my point.

So think and assume whatever you want. Just make sure that you are doing your part and stop worrying about what other people are doing.


you dont have to say what you contributed. eg saying "i am involve with habitate for humanity." "i have made a pledge to sponser a child" in no way is showing off. how else are you going to lead by example and show people that they too can get involve and help make a difference. i love the way you dodge the question though. you should be a politician

you dont have to say what you contributed. eg saying "i am involve with habitate for humanity." "i have made a pledge to sponser a child" in no way is showing off. how else are you going to lead by example and show people that they too can get involve and help make a difference. i love the way you dodge the question though. you should be a politician

Is it really important who gets credit? As an activist, is it about you or the cause?

its about wasting alof ot time that could be better spent writing code to take down those islamic extremist web forum sites :shaky:

Is it really important who gets credit? As an activist, is it about you or the cause?



ok, so i take it this is another way of you saying you are a bystander. any way i hope that changes.

the following is addressed to any one that reads this:

all of us are in the position to help out, in some way. i know too many people that say "well i ga problems too, i poor ma self" but i say poor by whose standards. It is no secrete that the majority of bahamians are not in refugee camps, we tend to eat regularly, we are clothed, the country isnt exactly hurting, and bahamians are accoustemed to a fairly good life style. it is for this reason i say more bahamians need to get up and do something, anything.

surely 99% of us can pledge to donate a can of spaghetti and a gallon of water once a month to the local salvation army or red cross. it is the least someone can do and it is a hell of alot better than doing nothing. do you know what an impact this side of the world (america, canada, bahamas, cayman islands etc) can make if all person living in the west who made over one thosand dollars a month donated a can of spaghetti and a gallon of water once a month? thinking like this is how we can help this people, this G8 scenario has been tried before and it has proven to be destined for failure.

BTW- does any one know if the bahamas has a Big Brother Programe and/or a Angel Tree Programe

ok, so i take it this is another way of you saying you are a bystander. any way i hope that changes.


take it whatever way you wish, you need to read the newspapers more often.

this G8 scenario has been tried before and it has proven to be destined for failure.

Your political knowledge leaves much to be desired. There has never been a more opportune time for the G8 countries to make a difference across the globe.

No other campaign has actually laid out the entire solution for relieving poverty, taking into consideration the complex geo-political aspects that cause the poor to stay poor. All that the G8 nations really have to do is agree to implement the proposed solutions. Most aid programmes in the past have focused only on the financial aid aspect of assistance. Live 8’s plans instead focus on implementing trade equality, governmental responsibility and self –sustenance.

So what you’re really saying is that it will make NO difference if the G8 nations eliminate the debt of these poor nations, eliminate the high tariffs imposed on 3rd world farming (and other export commodities) and simultaneously DOUBLE current aid efforts, while closely monitoring the progress of fund spending by governments of these poor nations to avoid misspending. OK....If you say so.

Your political knowledge leaves much to be desired. There has never been a more opportune time for the G8 countries to make a difference across the globe.

No other campaign has actually laid out the entire solution for relieving poverty, taking into consideration the complex geo-political aspects that cause the poor to stay poor. All that the G8 nations really have to do is agree to implement the proposed solutions. Most aid programmes in the past have focused only on the financial aid aspect of assistance. Live 8’s plans instead focus on implementing trade equality, governmental responsibility and self –sustenance.

So what you’re really saying is that it will make NO difference if the G8 nations eliminate the debt of these poor nations, eliminate the high tariffs imposed on 3rd world farming (and other export commodities) and simultaneously DOUBLE current aid efforts, while closely monitoring the progress of fund spending by governments of these poor nations to avoid misspending. OK....If you say so.


in order fo this to work these G8 countries will literally have to go in, over throw and run these bust up countries governments, this is something i dont think they are prepared to do nor what they will want to do. why do you think these places are where they are now, becuase they dont have the right government. sure the G8 can provide funding and advise those wicked govs how and where to use it but at the end of the day they will do what they wish and screw their citizens and the G8. yeah the G8 will montior mis spending, and corruption and guess what? MONEY WILL BE MIS SPENT, CORRUPTION WILL TAKE PLACE, (by mis spent we are talking millions upon millions of dollars just vanishing) those govs just dont care and the G8 cant do nothing to change that except for force. so now what does the G8 do? they either have to over throw by force and run the place, pull out from that country abandoning their plans for prosperity there, or allow mispending to continue just so they can acomplish a little bit at a time.

your questioning my political knowledge!? if you believe a plan to end ALL POVERTY is going to be successful, especially with out you or other people lifting a finger to help; i have to wonder about yours. this idea has been preposed before on a small level and failed, it is just in a bigger package and fancier bow this time around. so if it failed on a small scale what makes you think the grand scheme is going to be successful. are you so confident in the G8 becuase that means you can continue going through your life with out having to help in even the most minuscule way. "yeah i dont need to take time out of my month to donate a can of soup and a gallon of water cuase the G8 handling things"

even though i may seem negative toward the G8 proposal, i hope it does work cuase at the end of the day it benifits those people who need it so desparatly but at the same time i must look at reality.

in order fo this to work these G8 countries will literally have to go in, over throw and run these bust up countries governments, this is something i dont think they are prepared to do nor what they will want to do. why do you think these places are where they are now, becuase they dont have the right government. sure the G8 can provide funding and advise those wicked govs how and where to use it but at the end of the day they will do what they wish and screw their citizens and the G8. yeah the G8 will montior mis spending, and corruption and guess what? MONEY WILL BE MIS SPENT, CORRUPTION WILL TAKE PLACE, (by mis spent we are talking millions upon millions of dollars just vanishing) those govs just dont care and the G8 cant do nothing to change that except for force. so now what does the G8 do? they either have to over throw by force and run the place, pull out from that country abandoning their plans for prosperity there, or allow mispending to continue just so they can acomplish a little bit at a time.

your questioning my political knowledge!? if you believe a plan to end ALL POVERTY is going to be successful, especially with out you or other people lifting a finger to help; i have to wonder about yours. this idea has been preposed before on a small level and failed, it is just in a bigger package and fancier bow this time around. so if it failed on a small scale what makes you think the grand scheme is going to be successful. are you so confident in the G8 becuase that means you can continue going through your life with out having to help in even the most minuscule way. "yeah i dont need to take time out of my month to donate a can of soup and a gallon of water cuase the G8 handling things"

even though i may seem negative toward the G8 proposal, i hope it does work cuase at the end of the day it benifits those people who need it so desparatly but at the same time i must look at reality.


*laughing* I've probably done more charitable good in the past 10 years than you are capable of doing in your entire lifetime. I hate to say this, but "you don't know who I is eh?" I contribute to causes both here and abroad.

But that's beside the point, enough about me. You obviously dont know how grants work. If results are not seen, then the rest of the money gets pulled. It makes it harder for corruption to take place. With the world watching do you think that African countries will blatantly misspend money?

Tsk...Tsk...No faith in your own people. From what I've seen this seems to be a trend in most of your posts, then you often attempt to water it down with a "hopeful" comment. You're finding it hard to mask your cynical attitude, so you instead attempt to point fingers at me, not knowing what I've done or who I'm affiliated with. You've got it wrong on all counts. Your actions are typical of small-time people - making false accusations about persons who are actually doing something and then you even dare to attack the generousity and foresight of programs that actually generate Global interest.

You yourself are one of the many hurdles that the Live 8 program has to overcome - a skeptic who would rather help to stall the momentum of a GLOBAL CHARITY by saying it won't work and creating doubt, instead of lending your full support and making sure that the momentum built is guaranteed to create more good.

*laughing* I've probably done more charitable good in the past 10 years than you are capable of doing in your entire lifetime. I hate to say this, but "you don't know who I is eh?" I contribute to causes both here and abroad.


ah, its comments like that which is showing off. "look at me i have done more than you" this is the wrong approach and is really not my style. thank god no one can ever acuse me of making such a statement. when i am trying to encourage people to get involve i simply use some of the ways i have helped to show them that yes they too can help and every little counts.


But that's beside the point, enough about me. You obviously dont know how grants work. If results are not seen, then the rest of the money gets pulled. It makes it harder for corruption to take place. With the world watching do you think that African countries will blatantly misspend money?

YES. they have done it before, AFRICAN countries corruption has been on display for the world to see for decades (you seem to not get that these countries gov dont care about their people, the people in power are rich so it doesnt matter to them), this is why other attempts to help them have failed. so my point that most of these countries govs WILL misuse the money and the G8 WILL pull out is correct. THE ONLY WAY IT WILL WORK IS TO OVER THROW THEIR GOV AND RUN THE PLACE CORRECTLY. but i guess you missed that part of my post


Tsk...Tsk...No faith in your own people. From what I've seen this seems to be a trend in most of your posts, then you often attempt to water it down with a "hopeful" comment. You're finding it hard to mask your cynical attitude, so you instead attempt to point fingers at me, not knowing what I've done or who I'm affiliated with. You've got it wrong on all counts. Your actions are typical of small-time people - making false accusations about persons who are actually doing something and then you even dare to attack the generousity and foresight of programs that actually generate Global interest.


by people i am assuming you mean BAHAMAINS, just in case you missed my post i have little faith in the G8's plan. tell me which bahamian gov official is apart of the g8's plan? When i discussed by standers, I meant every one who is in the position to help that does nothing. that statement pertained to americans, bahamians, jamaican, africans etc. If you are reffering to my other post about typical bahamians etc. please note the term typical reffers to anyone that only contributes to the negative sterotypes that plague a certain group of people ie typical american, typical black, typical male. also, like i have said before. this is bahamas issues.com; a issue usally means there is a problem and the problem is a negative one therfore you will see me discussing the negatives in bahamian society and the typical bahamian and ways they can be changed. also no one as yet to say "well i lying on bahamians." PLEASE POINT OUT ANY AND ALL FALSE ACCUSATIONS I HAVE MADE IN THIS OR ANY POST. REMEBER THIS ABOUT ME: i am black - i will discuss and be truthful about whats wrong with typical black people. i am a male - i will discuss and be truthful about whats wrong with the typical male. i am bahamian - i will discuss and be truthful about whats wrong with the typical bahamain. I EEN NO DEEP FREEZE, just becuase i am these things that doesnt mean i will suger coat things or tip toe around problems associated with them. WHO DONT LIKE OR GET MAD AT MY TRUTHFUL OBSERVATIONS...........................TOO BAD.



You yourself are one of the many hurdles that the Live 8 program has to overcome - a skeptic who would rather help to stall the momentum of a GLOBAL CHARITY by saying it won't work and creating doubt, instead of lending your full support and making sure that the momentum built is guaranteed to create more good.


did you not read my soup and water suggestion. how am i slowing the G8's "momentum" by openly expressing what i truely feel on a pc. better yet how are you adding to the G8's "momentum" by sitting here and saying: "yeah it ga work" HEY IF THE G8 WORKS OUT I WILL BE HAPPY I WISH THEM WELL BUT AT THE SAME TIME I AM BEING HONEST WHEN I SAY THE ODDS ARE AGAINST THEM. in the mean time instead of thinking well the g8 got this, i will continue to donate my soup and water every month;donate to world vision; look out for cuaseS that help haiti; encourage people to get involve; take part in the angel tree program etc.

I just stumbled across an intresting story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8460171/

I guess the G-8 already started to slow down their own momentum. I didnt have anything to do with it i swear. :D

Head to head, you're entitled to your own opinion, but we'll see what really does happen in the long run.

If a major charity with millions of people behind it cannot get the the people to support them to a point where changes are made by their leaders, then obviously this world has become way too cynical and accepting of the rich becoming richer and the poor remaining poorer.

From your overthrow statement I guess that you are one of the people who support the G8's doing an "Iraq" on those corrupt governments in Africa. New world order here we come..manipulation by proxy, absolutely.

Some reading for the marplot in the place: http://www.one.org/blog

http://www.one.org/uploads/MANDELA_VIDEO.gif
Then listen to the man SPEAK (http://www.sun.com/one/mandela)

Head to head, you're entitled to your own opinion, but we'll see what really does happen in the long run.


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If a major charity with millions of people behind it cannot get the the people to support them to a point where changes are made by their leaders, then obviously this world has become way too cynical and accepting of the rich becoming richer and the poor remaining poorer.


unfortunatly the world is half way there. look at the bahamas taxation system


From your overthrow statement I guess that you are one of the people who support the G8's doing an "Iraq" on those corrupt governments in Africa. New world order here we come..manipulation by proxy, absolutely.


i am not in support of the war on iraq becuase truely the USA has no business there. if they wanted to prove a point, go in blow it up and leave. thats what the terrorist did to them. as far as over throwing african gov's like i said if the G-8 wants this to work this is what is going to have to happen. you know i was talking to someone about the G-8 and they came at me with the christian stand point of it. they said that the G-8 HAS to fail, do you know why? to add another reason to the we need a one world government list. the G-8 and the U.N will play a major role in presenting why we need a global government.

Some reading for the marplot in the place: http://www.one.org/blog

http://www.one.org/uploads/MANDELA_VIDEO.gif
Then listen to the man SPEAK (http://www.sun.com/one/mandela)


ah, the one organization! i like their goal to rally every one by one to fight poverty and aids. truely this is the right idea. some rich, stiff, stuck up men sitting in a room is definatly not the answer. sorry i couldnt watch the mandela video becuase my pc doesnt like quicktime, i dont know why but it doesnt respond well to the programe

as far as over throwing african gov's like i said if the G-8 wants this to work this is what is going to have to happen. you know i was talking to someone about the G-8 and they came at me with the christian stand point of it. they said that the G-8 HAS to fail, do you know why? to add another reason to the we need a one world government list. the G-8 and the U.N will play a major role in presenting why we need a global government.

Now we find common ground.

The strategy employed by some larger nations is simple: Support or appoint corrupt, ineffectual leaders who run smaller countries to the ground *coughaiticough* and by the time people figure what's happening, they are so desparate for change that they will accept any solution (can you say assimilation?). This is why the debt has to be eliminated, more aid provided, and trade barriers have to fall, especially in Africa; these simultaneous steps will allow poor nations to pull themselves up and learn to sustain themselves. Mandela said in that video that poverty is not natural, it is man-made. It's a problem that men have to solve, namely the most powerful 8 men in the world.

BTW, One.org and Live 8 are tied at the hip. They are overlapping campaigns with the same goals that I mentioned previously. One (literally) is targeted specifically at Americans. More at http://www.one.org