Watch the Live 8 Global concerts to fight poverty!
Saturday July 2
Tune into
VH1 (channel 36)
or visit www.dabahamianting.com

Watch the Live 8 Global concerts to fight poverty!
Saturday July 2
Tune into
VH1 (channel 36)
or visit www.dabahamianting.com



HOW DOES ME WATCHING THAT SHOW FIGHT POVERTY?

HOW DOES ME WATCHING THAT SHOW FIGHT POVERTY?

I wonder about that myself! :dgi:

I wonder about that myself! :dgi:

CG, I'll respond to you because you tend to be more intellectual and less reactionary regarding such matters, but I'm surprised that you even followed this train of thought.

The concert was about generating even more worldwide support and awareness of poverty stricken nation as the leaders of the G8 nations prepare to meet next week. A public that is more aware of the tragedies going on in the world will be more able to influence these leaders who have the power to eliminate poverty worldwide.

Here's an excerpt from the site:

Every single day, 30,000 children die, needlessly, of extreme poverty.

On July 6th, we finally have the opportunity to stop that shameful statistic.

8 world leaders, gathered in Scotland for the G8 summit, will be presented with a workable plan to double aid, drop the debt and make the trade laws fair. If these 8 men agree, then we will become the generation that made poverty history.

But they'll only do it if enough people tell them to.

That's why we're staging LIVE 8. 10 concerts, 100 artists, a million spectators, 2 billion viewers, and 1 message... To get those 8 men, in that 1 room, to stop 30,000 children dying every single day of extreme poverty.

We don't want your money - we want you!

Like Tony Blair (the chair of this G8 summit) said, if such atrocities were happening in London or New York, something would be done about it immediately. The most powerful nations in the world cannot ignore this situation any longer.

While some persons on this site stay relatively informed, there was quite a bit of information presented that I'm sure that they could have learned during the concert. It wasnt just bands getting on stage and rocking' out for a good time. Basically, it was a repeat of the Live Aid concert that was held in 1985.

The idea was to increase awareness and that awareness would most likely turn into action. There is also a list you can add your name to that will be presented to the G8 attendees.

And by the way, if you had watched the concert your question would have been answered. http://www.live8live.com

CG, I'll respond to you because you tend to be more intellectual and less reactionary regarding such matters, but I'm surprised that you even followed this train of thought.

The concert was about generating even more worldwide support and awareness of poverty stricken nation as the leaders of the G8 nations prepare to meet next week. A public that is more aware of the tragedies going on in the world will be more able to influence these leaders who have the power to eliminate poverty worldwide.

Here's an excerpt from the site:

Every single day, 30,000 children die, needlessly, of extreme poverty.

On July 6th, we finally have the opportunity to stop that shameful statistic.

8 world leaders, gathered in Scotland for the G8 summit, will be presented with a workable plan to double aid, drop the debt and make the trade laws fair. If these 8 men agree, then we will become the generation that made poverty history.

But they'll only do it if enough people tell them to.

That's why we're staging LIVE 8. 10 concerts, 100 artists, a million spectators, 2 billion viewers, and 1 message... To get those 8 men, in that 1 room, to stop 30,000 children dying every single day of extreme poverty.

We don't want your money - we want you!

Like Tony Blair (the chair of this G8 summit) said, if such atrocities were happening in London or New York, something would be done about it immediately. The most powerful nations in the world cannot ignore this situation any longer.

While some persons on this site stay relatively informed, there was quite a bit of information presented that I'm sure that they could have learned during the concert. It wasnt just bands getting on stage and rocking' out for a good time. Basically, it was a repeat of the Live Aid concert that was held in 1985.

The idea was to increase awareness and that awareness would most likely turn into action. There is also a list you can add your name to that will be presented to the G8 attendees.

And by the way, if you had watched the concert your question would have been answered. http://www.live8live.com

Thanks for the answer. Of course I had heard of Live 8 but I have not been following it that much.(I watched a bit of it.) It just seemed like more of the same lots of talk, lots of music - little real results.

The biggest problem in Africa is poverty born of corrupt, and inept, governments. Aid comes into to Africa all the time - most of it ends up in "the wrong hands."

Take Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe.) It was one of the riches countries in Africa - look at it now!

Africa is a tribal country. Tribe "A" looks after others in tribe "A" So if tribe "A" is elected to government tribes "B" and "C" are left out in the cold. A few songs will not change this. All the awareness in the world will not change this. Africans must change this! Clearing the debt will help only if the African system is changed. If not, they will be up to their necks in debt again within a few years.

You might want to take a deeper look at the plans behind the Live 8 program. It doesn't involve only relieving the debt or improving awareness (though these are vital aspects of the program). The doubling of aid that is also being recommended will be given in the form of grants (meaning that those countries can have this money only if they show that it is being used for improving the country. Accountability is mandatory).

If these countries cannot show that the funds are being used properly, then the monetary aid gets pulled. Live 8 isn't recommending a handout - they are recommending a move by the G8 countries to guide these poorer governments to become successful.

From what I've understood so far, this is a well organized plan that puts the responsibility on all sides to make things work.

You might want to take a deeper look at the plans behind the Live 8 program. It doesn't involve only relieving the debt or improving awareness (though these are vital aspects of the program). The doubling of aid that is also being recommended will be given in the form of grants (meaning that those countries can have this money only if they show that it is being used for improving the country. Accountability is mandatory).

If these countries cannot show that the funds are being used properly, then the monetary aid gets pulled. Live 8 isn't recommending a handout - they are recommending a move by the G8 countries to guide these poorer governments to become successful.
I'll have to do that because I really don't understand it!

If, as you say. "they are recommending a move by the G8 countries to guide these poorer governments to become successful." then they really have their hands full. The G8 are interested in profit and the bottom line. It is in the best interest of these countries to keep the third world - third. There they can find the cheap labour and raw materials that are required to make the G8 what they are - rich.

From what I've understood so far, this is a well organized plan that puts the responsibility on all sides to make things work.

Lets us hope that all sides have the same view, and understanding, of responsibility!

CG, I'll respond to you because you tend to be more intellectual and less reactionary regarding such matters, but I'm surprised that you even followed this train of thought.

The concert was about generating even more worldwide support and awareness of poverty stricken nation as the leaders of the G8 nations prepare to meet next week. A public that is more aware of the tragedies going on in the world will be more able to influence these leaders who have the power to eliminate poverty worldwide.

Here's an excerpt from the site:

Every single day, 30,000 children die, needlessly, of extreme poverty.

On July 6th, we finally have the opportunity to stop that shameful statistic.

8 world leaders, gathered in Scotland for the G8 summit, will be presented with a workable plan to double aid, drop the debt and make the trade laws fair. If these 8 men agree, then we will become the generation that made poverty history.

But they'll only do it if enough people tell them to.

That's why we're staging LIVE 8. 10 concerts, 100 artists, a million spectators, 2 billion viewers, and 1 message... To get those 8 men, in that 1 room, to stop 30,000 children dying every single day of extreme poverty.

We don't want your money - we want you!

Like Tony Blair (the chair of this G8 summit) said, if such atrocities were happening in London or New York, something would be done about it immediately. The most powerful nations in the world cannot ignore this situation any longer.

While some persons on this site stay relatively informed, there was quite a bit of information presented that I'm sure that they could have learned during the concert. It wasnt just bands getting on stage and rocking' out for a good time. Basically, it was a repeat of the Live Aid concert that was held in 1985.

The idea was to increase awareness and that awareness would most likely turn into action. There is also a list you can add your name to that will be presented to the G8 attendees.

And by the way, if you had watched the concert your question would have been answered. http://www.live8live.com


the thing is the majority of the public in the civilised world is aware of what goes on in Haiti, the majority of African countries, Romania etc. all they say is "wow thats terrible" and go on eating their dinners, buying over priced cars, expensive cloths etc. the irony is the more wealthier people who are in the position to help (donate cloths, money, food, adopt) are especially the ones who are aware of the problem and the poorer people who cant help are the ones who are ignorant to the problem. you check it out the majority of people that watch that live show are poor, at least by westerners standards. so what do you think the real point behind that show was. many people are aware of whats going on in the Sudan right now, but how many people look to see how they can help. many bahamians know of haiti's situation but how many look to see how they can help. to me that live 8 was just a way for those stars to promote their new crappy music to the poor who would rather buy a 15.00 cd than donate that money.

let me ask you this how many people that saw that show yesterday do you think got on the internet or called somewhere after the show was over and said "boy i would really like to know how i can help those people". how many many people do you think got up from that show and said "boy that show was carrin on hey", "you see so and so". "yeah that song was fresh" etc. and they still go on that night wasting water, throwing food in the garbage, buying a DVD movie which they already saw at the movies, complaining about gas but wont switch to a smaller car etc.

let me take the time out to say i achknowledge that at least the people behind the live show are trying to do something. i am just questioning how effective is that something

If, as you say. "they are recommending a move by the G8 countries to guide these poorer governments to become successful." then they really have their hands full. The G8 are interested in profit and the bottom line. It is in the best interest of these countries to keep the third world - third. There they can find the cheap labour and raw materials that are required to make the G8 what they are - rich.


wow CG i was just thinking about that recently. the other day i was watching a dateline episode about cloths factories in India, hondorus, guatemala, pakastan etc. and it talked about how americans enjoy cheap products becuase of the back breaking labour and poverty people endure in these countries. did yall know that minimum wage in India is .20 cents an hour (yeah that .20 cents not 2.00 dollars) people in these factories make like 12.00 dollars a week working 80hr weeks so american consumers can get the best bang for their buck. why do yall think american law is slack on illegal mexican immigrants becuase they do cheap labour. so CG you are right it is in the best intrest of these countries, especially america, to keep these countries poor. i think G8 only wants to end the starvation so the people could be strong enough to work for cheap and so their modern day slaves dont die out from starvation, maleria, aids etc.

the thing is the majority of the public in the civilised world is aware of what goes on in Haiti, the majority of African countries, Romania etc. all they say is "wow thats terrible" and go on eating their dinners, buying over priced cars, expensive cloths etc. the irony is the more wealthier people who are in the position to help (donate cloths, money, food, adopt) are especially the ones who are aware of the problem and the poorer people who cant help are the ones who are ignorant to the problem. you check it out the majority of people that watch that live show are poor, at least by westerners standards. so what do you think the real point behind that show was. many people are aware of whats going on in the Sudan right now, but how many people look to see how they can help. many bahamians know of haiti's situation but how many look to see how they can help. to me that live 8 was just a way for those stars to promote their new crappy music to the poor who would rather buy a 15.00 cd than donate that money.

let me ask you this how many people that saw that show yesterday do you think got on the internet or called somewhere after the show was over and said "boy i would really like to know how i can help those people". how many many people do you think got up from that show and said "boy that show was carrin on hey", "you see so and so". "yeah that song was fresh" etc. and they still go on that night wasting water, throwing food in the garbage, buying a DVD movie which they already saw at the movies, complaining about gas but wont switch to a smaller car etc.

let me take the time out to say i achknowledge that at least the people behind the live show are trying to do something. i am just questioning how effective is that something

If we follow your logic, we might as well all give up on trying to get anyone to support any worthwhile cause.

To reiterate what I said to CG, the concert was only one part of getting the G8 leaders to see that people are standing against and getting the message of global poverty. With over a million spectators and 2 billion viewers, please tell me what other cause in the past 10 years has mobilized that sort of global attention besides terrorism? (Even though twice the number of people killed in 9/11 die everday in Africa alone.)

Of course not everyone will get the message, but money was raised yesterday and people did lend their voices. That accounts for something. Instead of knocking it or being skeptical of it, lend your support for crying out loud! This world is doomed if one of the biggest attempts in this decade to make poverty history is judged as just another event that won't make a difference. How cynical have we all become?

I guess the fact that this organization used musical artists to grab attention seems to be your problem with it (few of the artists played or promoted anything new, by the way). What you need to look at though is how this organization is taking a political approach to poverty, rather than a strictly financial viewpoint. They are focusing on the people who can make the difference, namely the G8 leaders. The concert was simply a call to show those leaders that the world is watching.

http://www.live8live.com/whatsitabout/index.shtml - Read it

We'll find out this week if it made any difference.

If we follow your logic, we might as well all give up on trying to get anyone to support any worthwhile cause.

To reiterate what I said to CG, the concert was only one part of getting the G8 leaders to see that people are standing against and getting the message of global poverty. With over a million spectators and 2 billion viewers, please tell me what other cause in the past 10 years has mobilized that sort of global attention besides terrorism? (Even though twice the number of people killed in 9/11 die everday in Africa alone.)

Of course not everyone will get the message, but money was raised yesterday and people did lend their voices. That accounts for something. Instead of knocking it or being skeptical of it, lend your support for crying out loud! This world is doomed if one of the biggest attempts in this decade to make poverty history is judged as just another event that won't make a difference. How cynical have we all become?

I guess the fact that this organization used musical artists to grab attention seems to be your problem with it (few of the artists played or promoted anything new, by the way). What you need to look at though is how this organization is taking a political approach to poverty, rather than a strictly financial viewpoint. They are focusing on the people who can make the difference, namely the G8 leaders. The concert was simply a call to show those leaders that the world is watching.

http://www.live8live.com/whatsitabout/index.shtml - Read it

We'll find out this week if it made any difference.


well now that you watched live 8 and are now aware of whats going on in the world, what do you plan to do as an individual to help?

well now that you watched live 8 and are now aware of whats going on in the world, what do you plan to do as an individual to help?

please...I'm not about to get into a pissing contest over "what have you done to help the world lately?"

Focus on yourself kid. And cease the petty challenging.

please...I'm not about to get into a pissing contest over "what have you done to help the world lately?"

Focus on yourself kid. And cease the petty challenging.


seriuosly i am just asking, what have you done to help? how do you plan to help in the future? where do you plan to help? how has watching live 8 changed you? i am not challanging you at all, but i ask the question based on your previous responses. based on your responses to the validity of live 8 i think it is a valid question. i will not follow up by saying "oh yeah well thats nothing i did such and such." thats not my style at all and i believe every little counts and something is better than nothing. if you dont wanna answer thats ok. but i can only take a no response or an evasive answer to mean you have done nothing and intend to do nothing in the future. except sit down and watch another concert of course. it also proves my theory that the world is filled with on lookers and by standers, all they do is say "boy thats a shame." and do absolutly nothing

seriuosly i am just asking, what have you done to help? how do you plan to help in the future? where do you plan to help? how has watching live 8 changed you? i am not challanging you at all, but i ask the question based on your previous responses. based on your responses to the validity of live 8 i think it is a valid question. i will not follow up by saying "oh yeah well thats nothing i did such and such." thats not my style at all and i believe every little counts and something is better than nothing. if you dont wanna answer thats ok. but i can only take a no response or an evasive answer to mean you have done nothing and intend to do nothing in the future. except sit down and watch another concert of course. it also proves my theory that the world is filled with on lookers and by standers, all they do is say "boy thats a shame." and do absolutly nothing

yeah, and then when I spout off the various organizations that I'm affiliated with along with how much we have contributed, someone is bound to say, "Oh look at him trying to show off!"

That's why I keep what I do to myself. You dont need to know about my personal affairs, or anyones else's for that matter. Publicly declaring one's charitable contributions diminishes the entire reason for doing so (this society loves to do this). It then becomes about you and not about the people who have been helped. Humility and doing things because they need to be done. That's my point.

So think and assume whatever you want. Just make sure that you are doing your part and stop worrying about what other people are doing.