I didn't know i'm supposed to just support something or someone automatically because its Bahamian. I dont think that's enough. There has to be something more than that. Besides in this increasingly global society things like that just dosen't work anymore.

However you know a genre is missing if the people in it are pleading for support! The music industry dosent work like that. Genres come and go, they peak peak at one point, then degenerate and fall the next. What annoys me, is that when people starts taking interest in something outside of the box or claim their dislike of something common or traditional, they are seen as strange, weird or in a Bahamian case unpatriotic. The point is I think that much better can be done in the area of music....calypso or otherwise...and many other things. Quit mediocrity because these days you cant even get by with that!



All Bahamian music is not mediocre, we have some pretty good artists that are truly talented, and can make a great impact if given the chance. I was listening recently to the group Visage, they can put it down. There is nothing wrong with having musical interest outside of the box as you put it, in fact I encourage it, because I do. However to constantly put down Bahamian artists and music, instead of trying to help the industry improve, doesnt help, and yes I feel is very unpatriotic. It is just as annoying to here people put down things Bahamian, and make unfair comparisons to foreign entities. If you should leave the Bahamas for an extended period of time, you will realize that 'tings' Bahamian, including music is not that mediocre.

Globalization is taking us by storm, and we will have to follow suit to some extent, but cultivating a national identity amongst the global variation is just as important, or we become lost and unidentifiable in the mix.

noone cares anymore ..
:cheers:


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I didn't know i'm supposed to just support something or someone automatically because its Bahamian. I dont think that's enough. There has to be something more than that. Besides in this increasingly global society things like that just dosen't work anymore.

However you know a genre is missing if the people in it are pleading for support! The music industry dosent work like that. Genres come and go, they peak peak at one point, then degenerate and fall the next. What annoys me, is that when people starts taking interest in something outside of the box or claim their dislike of something common or traditional, they are seen as strange, weird or in a Bahamian case unpatriotic. The point is I think that much better can be done in the area of music....calypso or otherwise...and many other things. Quit mediocrity because these days you cant even get by with that!


Make sure that you get the message right. Don't misinterpret.

My words were in response to the post that Bahamian music isn't good or needs to be merged with other popular genres to "make it". Like I said before, many of the persons who state that Bahamian music is not excellent simply have not been exposed to enough of it to make an accurate judgement. They hear an hour or two of Bahamian music at a time and thus make a general assumption about the entire industry. If Bahamian music (Goombay and Rake and Scrape) got as much airtime as other music like Reggae, Hip Hop or R &B, as well as having the advertising and promotion dollars that those genres have, some of the views presented would be a little different. Also, competition for those dollars would increase overall quality in the industry. A radio station only plays what they feel is popular enough to keep the people tuned in so that they can make money from advertising. That’s why we do not have any “all-Bahamian” radio stations, despite the good effort by Island 102.9FM. We have a gospel station, a hip hop/reggae station, an R&B/smooth music station and then several more FM stations that mix it up between the aforementioned categories. With that said, a genre only dies when no one puts money into it to expose it to a global market. My web stream is all-Bahamian music all the time, no commercials, no interruptions, and is listened to by Bahamians and foreigners from ALL over the world. Bejing, Australia, Canada, the Caribbean, Japan, the U.K., South America, and numerous other places – How come they tune in religiously? They obviously love it. The last time that one of my servers had a power supply failure I got quite a few emails asking me what happened, then almost the same number thanking me when I fixed the server and put it back online. Bahamian music has a global following – believe it and I, for one, am doing my part to make sure that continues!

As for mediocrity, read that list of artists that I posted earlier. WE have some true Bahamian "greats". The art of telling the stories of our culture is an integral part of our music. (Recent case in point: KB's/Sting's "Civil Servant"). But what do some Bahamians (especially younger ones) do when our music is played at a party/club or on the radio? Reject it…Nuff said. In some cases they have been "taught" to listen to or appreciate nothing but foreign music. But don’t get me wrong on all this, I love my Bahamian music, but on many days, I have reggae dubs blasting from my jeep or I listen to nothing but alternative or techno.

Anyway, the point is, Chancellor: NO ONE has to like Bahamian music by default (Bahamian or not), but don’t make unfair judgments, especially when it appears that your level of exposure to or interest in it is relatively low. All in all, it is your right to listen to what YOU want to.

Hear me. I am not saying that you have to like by Bahamian music by default, what you like is your business. However there is no need to bad mouth it and put it down, simply help the situation or leave it alone. Would any Bahamian bad mouth Bahamian music or culture, particulalry in front of foreigners? Or would you try to present the best that Bahamian culture has to offer. If you dont like it, improve it! I may not liek something, but that does not mean that I have to bad mouth it and speak negatives, that is the point I am trying to make.

Hear me. I am not saying that you have to like by Bahamian music by default, what you like is your business. However there is no need to bad mouth it and put it down, simply help the situation or leave it alone. Would any Bahamian bad mouth Bahamian music or culture, particulalry in front of foreigners? Or would you try to present the best that Bahamian culture has to offer. If you dont like it, improve it! I may not liek something, but that does not mean that I have to bad mouth it and speak negatives, that is the point I am trying to make.


Thank you Teniel. This is the same point I was trying to make. If you don't have a preference for it, that's fine. But you don't have to bad mouth it either. There is an old saying that, "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all." I think that applies in this situation.

i really could care less how patriotic someone thinks I am.. :heartbeat


You may not care Rory, and that is fine. But unfortunately what other people think matters a whole lot when you are in the business of serving other people. If a tourist picks up on this negative attitude then it matters a whole lot in terms of how the industry will perform in the future.

I have two friends that just got married and took a cruise around the Caribbean for their honeymoon this winter. They were remarking about the trip and spoke of Jamaica and how nice and friendly the people were. They also remarked about Trinidad and several other places they visited and the different experiences they had in each country.

What pained me was when they recalled visiting the Straw Market in Nassau and remarked about some of the comments that were made. They were surprised at the amount of negativity they heard being expressed about the Bahamas. Granted to us, we just write it off as the typical Bahamian complaining as usual. To a visitor, someone that doesn't know the context, it sends an entirely different signal without the context. Will my friends return to the Bahamas, probably not based on what they said about the experience.

So it does matter what people think. We rely on tourism, as a result we are all ambassadors for our country.

once again ..dont care ...i never meet any tourists .. and i dont bother them with my personal issues .. the straw market is a joke and should be closed down ... its pathetic ,, i think you may have already seen my post on that area of bay street.



That the problem Rory, people like you that dont care that what you say, and the way you say it, can have a negative, long lasting impact.

hahahahahha.,....
rory works himself up into a lather over things we have no control over, and things what every other country is facing..and worse!!

lame governments???
have you even look to the northwest any time recently...
:dgi:

dont even look to the east cause they worse off...
look rory..we only can do what we can do with what we gat...
we dont have oil
we are post industrial
we have banking and tourism
we dont grow any narcotics
we dont hugely borrow money from the "organized crime based" inter american lending institutions!

so..like i tell everyone who hates..give us a break, we can only do what we can with what we gat~
:bouncy:

like almost every other bahamian, you are in denial, and that is why we are still a 3rd world country and why nothing will ever change. To try to compare our lame dumb government to one of the most powerful and smart ones in the world, is just ludicrous.



well, saying that we have the worse, when all governments have difficulties is ludicrous!
we as you so conciniently like to forget are a very small developing nation...we are just now building up..of course we cant be on the level of lets say..AMERICA..or ...BRITAIN cause that is not the nature of our soveriengty or politico...
:realmad:
if you like and want to live in a different country...i always tell you to get up and go!
:rolleyes:
and if you are one of those un-patriotic, unsatisfied liberlas who find fault with any and everything..you would be ran out of any other town just as fast!
:)

and just for your info...our GDP per capita is...16,709...third in the carribiean to only aruba 28,000 and caymans with 35,000, only becasue they have not even hit the 100,000 population mark as yet!
with our population...and our limited resources, we are doing just what we are expected to be doing in a just now post industrial age...

i dont give up that easy ..



i lived in the UK for 7 years and the US for 4 years .. there was absolutely nothing to complain about.

well except the weather ...

I left because Im not american and therefore,
cant live there legally.




Then you should have tried to apply for a green card like. You dont have to live there illegaly, there are legal means, or is there sometihng more to the story of why you are not living in a country where you had no complaints, but instead in a country where all you do is complain. :rolleyes:

i tell you one place i would NOT live is that place called canada ...

So, what is wrong with Canada? Other than the cold winters.

So, what is wrong with Canada? Other than the cold winters.



Yes what is wrong with Canada, besides the miserably cold winters? It is alot cleaner than the States, has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, free healthcare for its citizens (well you do get taxed harshly), but that is a good trade off, is very diverse (well okay only Toronto really). Its a fine enough country if you want to school, and eventually reside, I personally cant deal well with weathe though. And once again cause you dont seem to get it, I am here as a student, not a permanent resident, if that was supposed to be some blow at me. I am not Canadian, I am Bahamian. The point I was trying to make with my previous statement, is that you yourself said that you had no complaints while in the US and the UK, it just seems strange that you did not try to settle where you had no complaints, but then again there is no place like home, where are you gonna get conch salad, and conch fritters, outside the Bahamas lol. I will leave it alone Rory, your here cuz you wanna be, end of story.

well, saying that we have the worse, when all governments have difficulties is ludicrous!we as you so conciniently like to forget are a very small developing nation...we are just now building up..of course we cant be on the level of lets say..AMERICA..or ...BRITAIN cause that is not the nature of our soveriengty or politico...
:realmad:
if you like and want to live in a different country...i always tell you to get up and go!
:rolleyes:
and if you are one of those un-patriotic, unsatisfied liberlas who find fault with any and everything..you would be ran out of any other town just as fast!
:)

and just for your info...our GDP per capita is...16,709...third in the carribiean to only aruba 28,000 and caymans with 35,000, only becasue they have not even hit the 100,000 population mark as yet!
with our population...and our limited resources, we are doing just what we are expected to be doing in a just now post industrial age...

Has any1 looked @ Americas deficit lately? :uh:

Has any1 looked @ Americas deficit lately? :uh:


Well I know the trade decicit is about $50 million. Were you refering to something else???

Well I know the trade decicit is about $50 million. Were you refering to something else???



dont you mean billion!
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