So imprisonment should be banned also. It doesn't deter crime. It is pointless. Serves no purpose.

I beg to differ - prisons have various purposes: they deprive criminals of certain liberties/freedom, serve as correctional facilities, ect. And yes, although this method may at times also be faulty, the difference is, in the unfortuante event of a 'mistake' - once can at least be pardoned - a bit of an impossible feat (I'll say) where one is executed.

Typical Lawyer Bu............. :board2:

I beg to differ - prisons have various purposes: they deprive criminals of certain liberties/freedom, serve as correctional facilities, ect. And yes, although this method may at times also be faulty, the difference is, in the unfortuante event of a 'mistake' - once can at least be pardoned - a bit of an impossible feat (I'll say) where one is executed.



Have you ever been imprisoned?? Very few people come back as functional members of sociey. Very few survive prison. But just as how you can improve prisons. You can improve the death penalty to make sure you are killing the right person.

You can improve the death penalty to make sure you are killing the right person.

Bullocks! Please, oh please tell me how the death penalty can be 'improved' so that its 100% safe? Every legal system will have its flaws...and thats one more reason why the death penalty is a bad idea...and yes whilst many leave prison even worse than they were when they entered, isnt that more of a reason to concentrate on rehab? as opposed to killing? violence breeds violence. hanging is not the answer - at all? ever stopped to think about the fact that some of the more violent countries are retentionist countries? Jamaica, USA, virtually all the African and many eastern countries. funny how those that abolished capital punishment ages ago, still manage to have a lower murder rate (per capita than the rest of us)...

the flogging happened before they were executed, so that could mean a few days or more.


dont think they would flog em after execution?? :dgi: :cool: :cool:
but then again, those muslim extreemist do any ole thing that comes to their heads...
they desecrate bodies at will!
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any image of them catching a U.S. soldies is proof enough!

... You can improve the death penalty to make sure you are killing the right person.


just curious...."How do you go aboutimproving the death penalty??"
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its either you dead or ya aint....
Even if you make the argument that you would want to make execution more humane, the logic behind it is "has anyone ever come back to say that it was not painful??"

Think before you speak..in this case write!
:p

They also have better economies. They have a lot of things we don't have. Where did you live when you lived in the Bahamas?? I'm not saying it to be mean or vicious. I have a girlfriend whose Swedish, so you can imagine that we have this argument all the time. And remember when I said you must be european. That's what I meant.

My priorities are somewhere different. My priorities are the citizens. Not the criminals. The citizens don't want to live in fear. In European countries people don't live in fear. In the Bahamas they do or they did when I lived there. I hate to give another example because I hate when people say "oh, your life was so bad" -- but, my uncle stabbed my aunt to death when I was two years old. He went to prison for 15 years. And then he was out. Do you know how many lives were destroyed when that happened?? They had 6 children, not including me who they adopted at the time. Six children growing up in a third world country without a mother or father. They turned to drugs and prostitution. By the time he got out of prison only two of his children were still alive. But they remembered waking up in a bed next to their mother's bloody corpse. For years everyone lived with the fear that one day he would be set free. And then that fear became a reality. He didn't just kill his wife, he killed the mother of 6 children, 4 of those 6 children lost their lives because of his actions, my mother, my other aunts, most of my family lived paralyzed in fear. How about concentrating on the victims, not the criminal.

The USA, Jamaica, France, Great Britain have nothing to do with the Bahamas. Different context. And me where are the studies that suggest using the death penalty caused an increase in violence.

just curious...."How do you go aboutimproving the death penalty??"
:gi:

its either you dead or ya aint....
Even if you make the argument that you would want to make execution more humane, the logic behind it is "has anyone ever come back to say that it was not painful??"

Think before you speak..in this case write!
:p



Umm alrighty.

The death penalty isn't the *KILLING* of the person. It is the process of convicting, sentencing, and executing that sentence. If the death penalty is flawed then the flaw lies in the convicting stage. The same flaw exists in all convictions -- death penalty or no death penalty. So improving at this stage means that fewer persons will be executed.

They also have better economies. They have a lot of things we don't have. Where did you live when you lived in the Bahamas?? I'm not saying it to be mean or vicious. I have a girlfriend whose Swedish, so you can imagine that we have this argument all the time. And remember when I said you must be european. That's what I meant.

My priorities are somewhere different. My priorities are the citizens. Not the criminals. The citizens don't want to live in fear. In European countries people don't live in fear. In the Bahamas they do or they did when I lived there. I hate to give another example because I hate when people say "oh, your life was so bad" -- but, my uncle stabbed my aunt to death when I was two years old. He went to prison for 15 years. And then he was out. Do you know how many lives were destroyed when that happened?? They had 6 children, not including me who they adopted at the time. Six children growing up in a third world country without a mother or father. They turned to drugs and prostitution. By the time he got out of prison only two of his children were still alive. But they remembered waking up in a bed next to their mother's bloody corpse. For years everyone lived with the fear that one day he would be set free. And then that fear became a reality. He didn't just kill his wife, he killed the mother of 6 children, 4 of those 6 children lost their lives because of his actions, my mother, my other aunts, most of my family lived paralyzed in fear. How about concentrating on the victims, not the criminal.

The USA, Jamaica, France, Great Britain have nothing to do with the Bahamas. Different context. And me where are the studies that suggest using the death penalty caused an increase in violence.
The jokey thing is all of those countries that abolished the death penalty never really had a high murder rate.Shucks cops in the UK barely carry weapons.

They have a lot of things we don't have. Where did you live when you lived in the Bahamas?? I'm not saying it to be mean or vicious. I have a girlfriend whose Swedish, so you can imagine that we have this argument all the time.

I lived in Nassau East when I lived in Bahamas...and until 1.5 years ago I lived in Sweden - look at that - something we have in common...i guess you can see where I am coming from then...and of course sweden cannot be compared to Bahamas on any level...but i will say for a country of 9 million, and a murder rate of about 100 people per year - downright amazing!

...i guess you can see where I am coming from then..

Yes. I can see where you are coming from. Its unfortunate that you refuse to see where I'm coming from.

Sweden is very different from Nassau as I'm sure you know. Education is free. That spells opportunity. Opportunity spells hope. Sweden is an almost entirely secular society. Sweden is a socialist country built on taxation. Do you see Bahamians *EVER* agreeing with socialism?? No matter how you convince them that it is a good thing?? How long do you think it would take to convince Bahamians of this?? A very long damn time.

Did you know that tribes in what we now call Sweden used to be some of the most violent on the face of the earth?? They've come a long way. It took a lot for them to get where they are. What you are saying is that it makes sense for the Bahamas to fast forward to where Sweden is. I am saying that it is not. Would it make sense to fast-forward children through puberty?? Even though children are much more advanced than they used to be 20 years ago.

hehehe his is funny, i think we are both going back and forth!

no, im not saying to fast forward to where sweden is...damn, many european countries need to catch up with the scandinavians! so i def. see your point there...my point though, is that we have enough documentary evidence, research, studies upon studies which prove the death penaly is not a deterrent. it does not serve the purpose people once argued it served. what then is the point of continuing to kill people? particularly when we see so often people freed after years of prison, only to have some forensic or other evidence prove their innocence 20 yrs later? What get me is how Bahamians are so adamant that the death penalty is a good thing! is there anyone else in this concersation? can we get your views?
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Sweden is a socialist country built on taxation. Do you see Bahamians *EVER* agreeing with socialism??

why is that???? ive never really seen a system work so well as there...and ive lived all over...they really do have an amazing system - and it reflects in the mentality - your gf is quite fortunate in some respects.

Well, ex-girlfriend. We have two kids together. Their country works so well because the people have no soul. Can't dance. No flavor in their food. They have no passions. All of their wants, desires, fears seem not to exist. Nothing gives them an adrenaline rush to be alive.

I'm not claiming the death penalty is a deterrent. The people that did were crazy. You do the research before making that claim. People used to claim that masturbation was bad because it caused you to go blind. They were wrong, research still says that masturbation is bad. But for another reason. So just because they were wrong about the reason doesn't mean that they were wrong.

oh yeah, wasnt that just very recently they banned it? what about the execution of mentally incapable/retarded? have they rectified that?


yeah that was recently. like in FEb of this year. the mentaly challenged have been excused from being executed since Atkins v. Virginia, it was considered unconstitutional on the federal level and before that like 15 states ( i cant remeber the numebr) didnt allow it. i can excuse a truely mentaly challenged but a 17 year old. NO WAY. also alot of these people go out their do wrong and then claim they retarded. when i say i excuse a mentally challenged person, i want you coming in that court room droolin and can barely talk