Mikki, I think there would be a larger impact on the environment if people bought smaller cars than if smokers stopped smoking - what do you think? sure we might contribute, but we ALL contriute in some way. and i think that if each smoker cut back of fags there will be much less of an impact, than if people started car-pooling or simply driving more environementally friendly vehicles - thats a start! as for burning these trash and things - lord thats a TOTALLY different story!

PS: i am one of the few smokers (i guess) concerned about the environment; and as you can presume (from our previous conversation), i recycle religiously.



Be careful how you say "fags" -- or Vicky will, yet again, drive the topic down another dark, unlit alley.

I'm not disagreeing with you. At least not on the point you just presented. But is that what we were talking about, or was it the risk smokers pose to nonsmokers?? Isn't the rule that your rights only extend as far as they impose on my rights?? And I'd like to believe that it is logical to everyone involved in this discussion that your right to smoke in close proximity to myself, a nonsmoker, is an imposition on my right to breathe smokefree air.

Agreed??

if yah live in nassau you would know there are alot worse things than smoking cigarettes: burning dump fires and locals burning their bush and garbage, thousands of dirty diesel jap vehicles, thousands of blue smoking cars that cuts your breathing off in seconds ... as long as all this crap occurs here in nassau without anyone else giving a hoot, ill smoke a chimney and everywhere i possibly can! :D


:cheers:

yes, but nothing for emission requirements.


That's a damn shame. I only assumed that the Bahamas would adhere to Global Emissions standards and put requirements on motorists to meet those requirements. At least.

But doesn't make it okay, which I'm certain you agree with. Just because laws aren't imposed on motor vehicles to meet certain standards doesn't mean that there shouldn't be laws. Just as there should be laws limiting smoking.

yes, but nothing for emission requirements.


speaking of emissions, why isn't there a law against flatulence? It's much worse than smokes, any day.

That's a damn shame. I only assumed that the Bahamas would adhere to Global Emissions standards and put requirements on motorists to meet those requirements. At least.

But doesn't make it okay, which I'm certain you agree with. Just because laws aren't imposed on motor vehicles to meet certain standards doesn't mean that there shouldn't be laws. Just as there should be laws limiting smoking.


Even Florida stopped with the annual emission inspections on all vehicles a few years ago. Seems the breezes take the problem elsewhere, so there's no need to worry in the Sunshine State. :wipe:

Even Florida stopped with the annual emission inspections on all vehicles a few years ago. Seems the breezes take the problem elsewhere, so there's no need to worry in the Sunshine State. :wipe:



Probably because the Department of Transportation's reports show that emissions have drastically declined since 1990 to 2000 and will continue to decline.

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/research-center/Completed_Proj/Summary_PL/FDOT_BD171_AQ_rpt.pdf

Carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, nitrogenoxides have all decreased. Check page 20. But shouldn't we be better than Florida?? Isn't it the concensus here that we should exceed what others have done in the past??

angel i do agree with you that the strong anti-smoking thing is getting out of hand. but surely u understand smokin in the airport poses risk. do you smoke? i dont and i dont wanna start cuase i think it feels really good, and i'd b adiddicted quick, cuase one time i cuaght some second hand and after i exhaled i was like dang thats smooth.

But shouldn't we be better than Florida?? Isn't it the concensus here that we should exceed what others have done in the past??


Sure we should, but unless we revert to the horse & buggy days with no electricity, we won't be able to stop the release of greenhouse gasses.

We COULD go nuclear, but somehow I think that reEarth and Leslie Miller would have a confrontation about that! At least it is clean emissions.

Sure we should, but unless we revert to the horse & buggy days with no electricity, we won't be able to stop the release of greenhouse gasses.

Never suggested stopping greenhouse gases. What you seem to suggest earlier was that there was no control mechanism. Florida had in place controls that led to the declination of dangerous emissions. The decline is continuing. So they don't need the controls as long as this trend continues. I am suggesting control not prohibition. Progress can be a win-win situation if we try, and not necessarily a win-loss situation as in improving air quality by reverting to out-dated modes of transportation.

Be careful how you say "fags" -- or Vicky will, yet again, drive the topic down another dark, unlit alley.
[/QUOT] Duh it came from there. It is so easy to turn it around when people try to speak of rights for them selves but exclude others and their rights. I will show you below. However don't change the topice from " How long will the world keep up the hate" [QUOTE=MikkiForbes]
I'm not disagreeing with you. At least not on the point you just presented. But is that what we were talking about, or was it the risk smokers pose to nonsmokers?? Isn't the rule that your rights only extend as far as they impose on my rights??

And I'd like to believe that it is logical to everyone involved in this discussion that your right to smoke in close proximity to myself, a nonsmoker, is an imposition on my right to breathe smokefree air.

Agreed??

If the smoker is out side or in a smoking area that is their right. If you are next to them it is your right to ask to be moved to a different place if in side. Or if you are out side you can ask the person smoking if they would hold up till later or ask them to move or the best option you choose to move. After all the only way it effects you is if you are in close proximity to them. After all it is your right not to breath their second hand smoke so just hold your breath.
If the smoker is and adult its their life their right. (here it is) just as an adult should be able to marry (for want of a better word) whom ever they want.

How did you quote me as saying:

"Duh it came from there. It is so easy to turn it around when people try to speak of rights for them selves but exclude others and their rights. I will show you below. However don't change the topice from " How long will the world keep up the hate"

-- Anyway, I suppose I was wrong. It is not logical to everyone involved. Smoking is detrimental to the environment. You can search for information yourself that proves this. You are arguing that such is a person's right. I can litter in my own backyard. That is my right. But the litter is destroying the environment which is shared by others. Thank you for paying some attention to me this morning. But you are being silly.

Smokers dont have the right to smoke all of us out!
lol...

and i will ask a neighbor to put out that disgusting ongoing trash heap...but Americans do it too!
Burning trash is a good way to dispose of trash....

Depends on the type of trash you're talking about. If you burn a cigarette you are releasing toxic chemicals. Just because it burns doesn't mean it burns clean.

How did you quote me as saying:

"Duh it came from there. It is so easy to turn it around when people try to speak of rights for them selves but exclude others and their rights. I will show you below. However don't change the topice from " How long will the world keep up the hate"

-- Anyway, I suppose I was wrong. It is not logical to everyone involved. Smoking is detrimental to the environment. You can search for information yourself that proves this. Paper comes from trees tobacco comes from leaves does forest fire ring a bell. Smoke from tree and tree product is naturally occurring. The exhaust from burning fossil fuels is not. You are arguing that such is a person's right. I can litter in my own backyard. That is my right. But the litter is destroying the environment which is shared by others. Thank you for paying some attention to me this morning. But you are being silly.

Paper comes from trees tobacco comes from leaves does forest fire ring a bell. Smoke from tree and tree product is naturally occurring. The exhaust from burning fossil fuels is not.


How much of that paper are you smoking?? You think cigarette smoke is natural.