I agree we should get out and solve our problems but we are not and the illegals are not. They are running away from theirs and we are ignoring ours.

Say it again. Hopefully the message will stick in the minds of those who need to hear it.

Too many persons neglect the reality that society is based upon rules and guidelines that must be followed for the system to function effectively and efficiently. Allowing outside elements to circumvent the rules and guidelines puts added stress on the entire system, as well as creating unforeseen challenges that only create more problems.

Most persons involved are looking at things from a short term perspective (immediate self-gratification) and not thinking of the long term repercussions. Problems which are handled on a timely basis with a solution designed to protect the entire system from future deterioration usually are solved in a timely and permanent fashion - For a society to function properly, this train of thought is imperative.

Unfortunately this way of thinking appears to be quite unpopular.

I agree we should get out and solve our problems but we are not and the illegals are not. They are running away from theirs and we are ignoring ours.
when i was in school at centerville primary school they taught me three things the three r reading writing and rithmatic, the best years of formal education i ever had, in fact from time to time i day dream of that time, how ever you are missing the point, a very important one which is that there is a very important historical perspective to this migration pattern that is being seen all over the world, if you do not bring in to play the historical facts along with the geopolitical, social forces going on you are like one of the three blind men examine a part of an elephant and trying to determine what it is. there fore the first thing i would suggest you do is study the history of haiti, even as a little boy when i knew so little i knew there was some thing incredible about our brothers and sisters from the south, the second thing is think critically thats why i wrote what i wrote about vaccinations, when i use to work for the government i realized and saw first hand the tremendous amount of waste and inefficiency in the system, thats not due to migration that is an internal problem, and i can find many more that have nothing to do with migration, lets get of the band wagon of using migrants as an excuse for our short coming.....................[/COLOR]

lets get of the band wagon of using migrants as an excuse for our short coming.....................

Someone please tell the young man that no one is using the issue of migrants as an excuse for anything.

And that he is also missing the point that most persons here are against illegal immigration NOT legal migration. There is a vast difference between those two scenarios.

One group of persons respects the authority and sovereignty of the nation that they wish to enter and gets permission through the systems in place BEFORE entering that nation and the other group attempts to thwart the laws and rules by entering without permission, thereby breaking those laws. I do hope that you are able to grasp the distinct difference between the two.

Is The Bahamas to be reprimanded for enforcing its laws? Is this what you are saying Charlton? Are you saying that the immigration laws of the Commonwealth of The Bahamas, which are written to protect the rights of its citizens, should be ignored? And to think that all of this should be done for those from a foreign nation with a long history of instability?

Take it easy with the emotion and THINK. No citizen of The Bahamas should be willing to allow foreign entities to break our laws so openly. If the citizens of The Bahamas have to abide by the laws of the Commonwealth of The Bahamas, so should EVERYONE else.

The pillars of Bahamian society, its laws, should NEVER be undermined. The obvious result will only be the deterioration of Bahamian society.

Someone please tell the young man that no one is using the issue of migrants as an excuse for anything.

And that he is also missing the point that most persons here are against illegal immigration NOT legal migration. There is a vast difference between those two scenarios.

One group of persons respects the authority and sovereignty of the nation that they wish to enter and gets permission through the systems in place BEFORE entering that nation and the other group attempts to thwart the laws and rules by entering without permission, thereby breaking those laws. I do hope that you are able to grasp the distinct difference between the two.

Is The Bahamas to be reprimanded for enforcing its laws? Is this what you are saying Charlton? Are you saying that the immigration laws of the Commonwealth of The Bahamas, which are written to protect the rights of its citizens, should be ignored? And to think that all of this should be done for those from a foreign nation with a long history of instability?

Take it easy with the emotion and THINK. No citizen of The Bahamas should be willing to allow foreign entities to break our laws so openly. If the citizens of The Bahamas have to abide by the laws of the Commonwealth of The Bahamas, so should EVERYONE else.

The pillars of Bahamian society, its laws, should NEVER be undermined. The obvious result will only be the deterioration of Bahamian society.
tehehehehe thats funny, i never made a distinction between migration the terms legal and illegal are a whole nother barrel of fish, which unfortunately blinds people to the reality of the world. words are such a dangerous things just by there use you can evoke so much response so i left the term as migration, and it is important that it be left that way because if a people are facing life and death crises and the only way to survive is to cross a boarder what do you think they are going to do, a apply to the embassy of the country they are going to and wait 90 days to years for the case to be heard invest thousands of dollars in legal fees and then may be just may be they will be allowed over, come on this is the real world not a fairy tale, and this is what we have to be cognizant of this is why i wrote that the historical undertones of these events must be understood, to even apply the concept of legal or illegal is ludicrous with out this understanding/ overstanding, those three rs are a beast............................

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Is The Bahamas to be reprimanded for enforcing its laws? Is this what you are saying Charlton? Are you saying that the immigration laws of the Commonwealth of The Bahamas, which are written to protect the rights of its citizens, should be ignored? And to think that all of this should be done for those from a foreign nation with a long history of instability?

Yorick: first off i want to thank you for this assistance,( thats like throwing up the basket ball towards the rim and just allowing me to stuff it for an easy 2 points thanks man, i was wondering when some one would do that) this long history of instability in hati can you clearify how this came about, now if we have an understanding of how it came about and what maintains it perhaps we can find a solution, i will even help you out there is a brilliant carrieabean scholar i know few bahamians read, cause if it aint shakespear we dont want to have nothing to do with it, but his name is c l r james the book is the black jochabins if you cant find it i would send you a copy, its a great book, there are some others but my notes i dont have in front of me at the moment but i can find them, so yorick and thank you for acknolegeing my youth that was great of you, if you are up to it lets look at hati and see how did this instability come about. then from there maybe with careful analysis and a bit of emotion as i am not spook, and never will be maybe we can reach a ground of agreement.............

I really wished that people could simlpy get along.
Or ignore each other when they dislike each other.
Black people have so much weight on their backs already look at what is going in new orleans right now.













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Say it again. Hopefully the message will stick in the minds of those who need to hear it.


i must say that CG makes a great point but at the end of the day the majority of us as human will flee from places like haiti, cuba, middle east, and yes right now even New Orleans



Most persons involved are looking at things from a short term perspective (immediate self-gratification) and not thinking of the long term repercussions.


as i said above that is what we do as humans

in response to ur post 18. hypotheticaly what if the exact number of haitians in the bahamas were there legally, i wonder what will be the argument then

at the end of the day the majority of us as human will flee from places like haiti, cuba, middle east, and yes right now even New Orleans

as i said above that is what we do as humans

in response to ur post 18. hypotheticaly what if the exact number of haitians in the bahamas were there legally, i wonder what will be the argument then

Because of what we do as humans, laws were created to control the movement of people and to avoid the social challenges created by a large influx of foreign persons from poorer nations.

When will you begin to understand that financial or economic hardship does not automatically grant someone the right and/or priviledge to circumvent the laws of another country? To maintain order, certain procedures must be maintained and followed. This is the lesson that the people and leaders of many third-world countries have not learned - which is why they will remain in the third-world category. They neglect to enforce and thereby undermine their own rules and, as a result, pay a greater price in the long run (which they already can not afford).

You cannot give first-world generousity to others while you are on a third-world budget! This is reality. Get used to it.

Because of what we do as humans, laws were created to control the movement of people and to avoid the social challenges created by a large influx of foreign persons from poorer nations.

When will you begin to understand that financial or economic hardship does not automatically grant someone the right and/or priviledge to circumvent the laws of another country? To maintain order, certain procedures must be maintained and followed. This is the lesson that the people and leaders of many third-world countries have not learned - which is why they will remain in the third-world category. They neglect to enforce and thereby undermine their own rules and, as a result, pay a greater price in the long run (which they already can not afford).

You cannot give first-world generousity to others while you are on a third-world budget! This is reality. Get used to it.
isee you have not read c l r james, where ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise right yorick?

I really wished that people could simlpy get along.
Or ignore each other when they dislike each other.
Black people have so much weight on their backs already look at what is going in new orleans right now.

sweetsoul, this is a forum where people are at liberty to voice their opinions and thoughts on matters of interest. Disagreement is common, and adds flavour to the site. dont take these comments too seriously. plus its good to see other's point of view.

When will you begin to understand that financial or economic hardship does not automatically grant someone the right and/or priviledge to circumvent the laws of another country?

yorick, while this is very true, should we not, as human beings come together and try to alleviate the problems which cause such severe economic hardship? i have written before about this, and whilst i accept many people do not share my view, i say again, no man is an island. you never know what position you may end up in, and what has happened in New Orelans is a good example of this. Two weeks ago, those people had food and i suppose were (relatively) able to survive...albeit living from pay-cheque to pay-cheque. this week, they are destitute. some with barely enough money to make a phone call. So here's my point...yes immigration needs to be regulated by law and yes the various agencies ought to be efficient. but on another level, our govt./govts. in the region/ the US, etc, should also make more of an effort to reduce poverty in some parts of the Caribbean/Haiti. you will say this is not our problem - but in fact it is, because until these people are allowed to lead decent lives as human beings in their country, they will continue to come to ours. and who can blame them? who wants to live in squalor & poverty with absolutely no means to rise above that? of course you would take to the high seas and risk your life, cause afterall, is life worth living, if you live in deplorable/life threatning conditions? and please, dont start about the billions of dollars in aid sent to some countries. we know. but as is always said: its better to teach a man how to fish...its useless to throw hoards of money at people and say, ok, pickup and improve your situation. it wouldnt help if you gave $100 to a bum. it wont help if you give millions to haiti. it wont help if you give billions to africa. more and more though, i am becoming convinced, world leaders dont intend to solve the problems in developing countries. you, yorick i think once said something very true. we need poor people, undeveloped nations, poverty - in order to define wealth. this is true. this is why they send the money. they know it will be squandered. but at least they can say they sent it. trust me, they will avoid at all costs, doing what it takes to amerliorate the situation - educate people.

now that was me going off on a tangent - dont know quite where it came from.

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and the church says amen.

The standpoint that I voice comes from a purely logical view. The problem with this situation is that many persons who speak out against the growing illegal immigration problem in The Bahamas are classed instantly as not liking Haitians or having some sort of prejudice against them. This is far from the case. There needs to be a separation of emotion and logic, in my opinion.

The rational behind my thinking could not be more clear. How can a nation of only 325,000 people absorb the continual influx of tens of thousands of immigrants? The Bahamas does not have the infrastructure or the capability to handle this situation. Point blank. By sympathizing with a nation (that in truth does need all the help it can get), we have allowed more and more illegal immigrants to stay, inadvertently creating a new breed of problems that we are ill-equipped to handle.

The Bahamas is digging itself into an illegal immigration hole that we will be hard pressed to get out of. We are all Black people, but as Black persons we need to realize that we must stop looking to others for an easy way out. This is why Black nations tend to suffer so much. Instead of standing up together in their nation and making the changes that are necessary, many of those who come from poorer countries simply expect to find a better life someplace else, at someone else expense.

I'm glad that sweetsoul brought up the topic of New Orleans, because it is more than perfect for this example. What happened there was a simple matter of a lack of planning, forethought and preventative measures. Experts on CNN had said that the US government knew that the flooding which took place was inevitable. They knew that an event like Katrina could occur and cause a disaster, but no one did anything. Now they will spend billions more trying to fix the problem. With that said, the Bahamian government sees the illegal immigration problem growing and are not doing anything. If they do not do something soon, we will have some event that will involve them spending more money (or losing more money from Tourism) than if they had took preventative measures.

We are now seeing more violations of our laws and rules by some of these illegal immigrants and even violence against respected members of our society (eg. Taxi Union president Leon Griffin being slapped around by an unlicensed Haitian taxi driver). The Bahamian government's time has almost run out to provide a permanent solution to this situation once and for all. As they say, "a stitch in time saves nine."

And no matter how sorry we may feel for some of these people, allowing them to stay is not the solution to their problems. They are needed in Haiti to add to the number that will eventually rise up and fix their own situation.

and the church says amen.

The church doesn't run this country. The Bahamian government does.

Here is something the Bahamian government can do to prevent to flow of illegal immigrants. First of all, not only do persons come here by boat, but many by plane. Haitians, and Jamaicans especially.

You would come as a tourist, I assume give Immigration information about your stay etc. and then be granted access. From then on you dont have to leave. Now shouldnt the government use some methodology of tracking individuals who enter the country by plane, from these countries.

Also, this government knows where the Haitian communities are. Now I dont know why they arent doing much about it. Once in a while they perform a morning raid but thats it. Most of the time these raids are tipped off anyway.

However, I mentioned before that my sisters were performing interviews for COB with Haitian immigrants who do not have Bahamian citizenship (this was the criteria). They were a lil sceptical because they thought my sisters worked for the government. The ironic thing is, a week later that whole community of maybe 1000 residents got bulldozed .

The standpoint that I voice comes from a purely logical view. The problem with this situation is that many persons who speak out against the growing illegal immigration problem in The Bahamas are classed instantly as not liking Haitians or having some sort of prejudice against them. This is far from the case. There needs to be a separation of emotion and logic, in my opinion.

The rational behind my thinking could not be more clear. How can a nation of only 325,000 people absorb the continual influx of tens of thousands of immigrants? The Bahamas does not have the infrastructure or the capability to handle this situation. Point blank. By sympathizing with a nation (that in truth does need all the help it can get), we have allowed more and more illegal immigrants to stay, inadvertently creating a new breed of problems that we are ill-equipped to handle.

The Bahamas is digging itself into an illegal immigration hole that we will be hard pressed to get out of. We are all Black people, but as Black persons we need to realize that we must stop looking to others for an easy way out. This is why Black nations tend to suffer so much. Instead of standing up together in their nation and making the changes that are necessary, many of those who come from poorer countries simply expect to find a better life someplace else, at someone else expense.

I'm glad that sweetsoul brought up the topic of New Orleans, because it is more than perfect for this example. What happened there was a simple matter of a lack of planning, forethought and preventative measures. Experts on CNN had said that the US government knew that the flooding which took place was inevitable. They knew that an event like Katrina could occur and cause a disaster, but no one did anything. Now they will spend billions more trying to fix the problem. With that said, the Bahamian government sees the illegal immigration problem growing and are not doing anything. If they do not do something soon, we will have some event that will involve them spending more money (or losing more money from Tourism) than if they had took preventative measures.

We are now seeing more violations of our laws and rules by some of these illegal immigrants and even violence against respected members of our society (eg. Taxi Union president Leon Griffin being slapped around by an unlicensed Haitian taxi driver). The Bahamian government's time has almost run out to provide a permanent solution to this situation once and for all. As they say, "a stitch in time saves nine."

And no matter how sorry we may feel for some of these people, allowing them to stay is not the solution to their problems. They are needed in Haiti to add to the number that will eventually rise up and fix their own situation.

oh come off it? this is like the diary of a mad man this ranting and foaming of the mouth, can you honestly tell me what you know of the history of haiti?