The church doesn't run this country. The Bahamian government does.

its an expression, who rules the country i have been wondering that one?

oh come off it? this is like the diary of a mad man this ranting and foaming of the mouth, can you honestly tell me what you know of the history of haiti?

I'll put it to you like this:

Will my knowing the history of Haiti and it's achievement of being the first slave colony to "free itself" somehow solve Haiti's problems?

NO.

Will my knowing the history of Haiti enable Haitians to stabilize Haiti?

NO.

Will my knowing the history of Haiti stop Haitians from illegally coming to The Bahamas' shores?

NO.

Will my knowing of the history of Haiti somehow negate the facts that many Haitians break our immigration laws and are creating social issues in The Bahamas that our government has yet to begin investigating?

NO.

In a nation such as The Bahamas where even our history is not embraced or celebrated, what will knowing Haiti's history do for me?

Nothing.

The real question I want to ask though is: If Haiti's history is something to be so proud of, then why have the leaders and people allowed that nation to be disgraced and humbled to such a level? And if their history and culture is so rich, then why do they leave that country in such numbers?

In my opinion, the people who really need to learn that nation's history are Haitians themselves. Maybe then they would see the immeasurable value of what they have as citizens, stand up to their problems like Toussaint L'Ouverture did and put an end to the suffering and nonsense that Haiti is going through. They have played the role of sufferers for far too long. They need to put their whole faith in their leaders, stop the violence, put their shoulders to the wheel and work together towards rebuilding that society. Until they do, Haiti will remain a broken and weak nation, bleeding off its citizens like an open sore on this region.

They are stronger than that and need to realize this fact. Don't you dare tell me that I, as a Bahamian citizen, need to learn Haiti's history to understand what's happening. In this Caribbean region we ALL fight the same battle. Some of us (like The Bahamas) have just learnt to deal with the situations better. This does not give any excuse to those from the countries that have not learnt to manage their place in this world to piggyback on our success. Until these nations learn to pull their own weight, they will only hinder those of us who are currently making it. Harsh words, but the strong among us understand them well. This world has little or no pity for the poor and the weak. Some parts of Africa are a classic example. Yet we, on this side of the world, are repeating the same mistakes. Time to break the cycle and it starts with every black-run country on this side of the world refusing the role of the sufferer and striking out on its own. Believe that.

Learn more about the history of Haiti eh? No, you need to learn more about your BLACK history!

(sucking my teeth at this dread yukking up my vexation today)

The major problem i find with you is that you are unable to think critically, which means to accumulate information, analysis that information and draw conclusions from that information. so i am going to add another brick to this building but first i wish you would get that book by c l r at least you would have the back ground information to understand the gravity of the situation. History as John h Clark teaches is a clock that tells a people where they are where they have been and where they must go. Yes haiti was the first nation to free it self from the yokes of the french, but that is not where the story ends, france forced haiti to pay restitution to the slave owners who were driven from haiti, it was an amount of 25 million dollars. think about it people freeing themselves then having to pay those who oppress them for there oppression. this debt was payed up until the us invasion of haiti at which time the us took the debt over. not only did the us took the debt over but it reduced haiti to a colony of hers, in which rampant corruption took place, during this time period of papa doc and baby doc all under the watch full eyes of america began a series of political assassination, and further oppression of the people. now here is the important point haiti is a sovereign nation the same way the bahamas and the america is, yet no caribbean country with ties to the us spoke up against the policies of the us in haiti, they all turned a blind eye, in these conditions we began to see the waves of political and economic refugees. a situation we help and continue to help by our countries lack of a back bone and standing up on the side of truth which is the right of a people to determine there own destiny, infact its pathetic i remember watching in shock as aristead was removed from government and what did we say? this is what you miss, you do not understand the workings of the international communities, the interference that takes place in countries on a daily bases by america, right now veneazule is standing up along with bolivia but if you read the news paper with out your thinking cap you wont see whats going on. open your eyes and see, or as morpeous would say" the matrix is the curtain that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you to the truth"
neo" what truth"
morpheous" that you are a slave neo"[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Lucida Console]

Did you read everything that I wrote?

I am fully aware of the international situation as it pertains to smaller nations such as Haiti, thus my statement in the previous post "we are ALL fighting the same battle"

Your geo-political explanation is information that I am more than aware of. I think you were so quick to respond that you did not read my previous response.

READ IT AGAIN!

And to think that you dare to question my knowledge of international communities? And to question my ability to think critically? You have just arrived on this forum and have the audacity to straight up question my abilities?

You have definitely started out on the wrong foot with me.

And just to let you know, in this scenario I am "Morpheus"...

The wrong foot thats great, i like to be there and yes i do question your understanding of international events because haitis situation and the bahamas situation are not the same. let me make it simple for you:
1. Haiti fought and freed it self from the french, and began the establishment of one of the first social democracies in this part of the world, in fact its Haitis courage that gave hope to other african people all over the world, see ( David walkers appeal). In contrast the Bahamas was basically given independence, a form of government that mimics britian and an education that mimics britian there is nothing original in our history of dependence in fact we are still a slave colony.
2. haiti has had to endure several military occupations first from the french then from the usa. there has been no occupation of the bahamas.
3. the usa has maintain the docs in power who have carried out numerous atrocities against the people of haiti no such occurence or similar occurence has taken place in the bahamas.
4. Sever economic oppression, has been placed on the island and the removal of its dully elected president, when has this happen in the bahamas,?
5. Haiti payed reparation to the french then to america. when did this take place in the bahamas?
I don't know what you are ranting about, but you simply don't know what you are talking about! these are just some of the factors that must be explored in an understanding of what has gone and continues to go on in haiti.[B]

The wrong foot thats great, i like to be there and yes i do question your understanding of international events because haitis situation and the bahamas situation are not the same. let me make it simple for you:
1. Haiti fought and freed it self from the french, and began the establishment of one of the first social democracies in this part of the world, in fact its Haitis courage that gave hope to other african people all over the world, see ( David walkers appeal). In contrast the Bahamas was basically given independence, a form of government that mimics britian and an education that mimics britian there is nothing original in our history of dependence in fact we are still a slave colony.
2. haiti has had to endure several military occupations first from the french then from the usa. there has been no occupation of the bahamas.
3. the usa has maintain the docs in power who have carried out numerous atrocities against the people of haiti no such occurence or similar occurence has taken place in the bahamas.
4. Sever economic oppression, has been placed on the island and the removal of its dully elected president, when has this happen in the bahamas,?
5. Haiti payed reparation to the french then to america. when did this take place in the bahamas?
I don't know what you are ranting about, but you simply don't know what you are talking about! these are just some of the factors that must be explored in an understanding of what has gone and continues to go on in haiti.[B]


I know all of this already. You are wrong in your assumptions that I am not aware of global influences on Haiti's past, present and future. However, it is ultimately up to Haitians to reject the persons who are put in power over them. This is my point.

What's yours?

*ding ding* i can feel dis gon be one hot topic to watch! all we need is Mikki (and Vicky) in da mix (lol)!!! :bouncy:

[COLOR=SeaGreen]Morpeous to neo "i want to free your mind" this is a fallacy:. In this Caribbean region we ALL fight the same battle. Some of us (like The Bahamas) have just learnt to deal with the situations better. "........................................................... we don't have a similar experience in the bahamas you argument dose not hold water neo![SIZE=5][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]

The political dilemma that the US threatened every Caribbean country with when CARICOM tried to speak out against Aristide being removed from power means that we are all fighting the same battle. Every CARICOM leader had to swallow their pride and accept the interim government of Haiti.

We are fighting the same battle, believe it or not!

Yorick! man you need to come to my class on critical thinking it would do a world of good for you please look at that list of five things again, these are the ingredients that make up the pot of migration kapeach. "Hello hello is any one in there"{taken from the movie back to the future}. This is why i said that you really don't understand international relationships, yes you are aware but you don't understand, thats why i gave you the name of that book, you can also get books or tapes of naom chomsky brilliant fellow living in mass, tremendous work on haiti. see i am steeping to you but unlike neo you cant hit me.................................

Your snide tone will only get you silence from this point forward as there are depths to which I will not reduce myself.

but to what extent can any of us fully understand international relations? we can study the theory. we can memorise the pros and cons of every single political ideology. we can learn from history. but the fact remains (i think) we can only 'understand' the way countries interact insofar as they only act in their best interest...(even if it means flexing political and military muscles to achieve this goal). but what is the ultimate goal? what is the point? political science is one of these areas where everyone has a theory. everyone thinks they are right. but in actuality, there situation is just not so clear cut. its not black and white. people write books, articles, etc to reflect their views. they use strong arguments to support their assertions. as intelligent people, we should always question an author's motives/background/political identity. otherwise we run the risk of believing whatever is fed to us...and really now, who wants to be compared to a gullible american?
:dunce:

Your snide tone will only get you silence from this point forward as there are depths to which I will not reduce myself.

i have a hard time trying to figer out just who you are and what you stand for i giving you sources and info and you are doing what???????????????????????? how bizzar

but to what extent can any of us fully understand international relations? we can study the theory. we can memorise the pros and cons of every single political ideology. we can learn from history. but the fact remains (i think) we can only 'understand' the way countries interact insofar as they only act in their best interest...(even if it means flexing political and military muscles to achieve this goal). but what is the ultimate goal? what is the point? political science is one of these areas where everyone has a theory. everyone thinks they are right. but in actuality, there situation is just not so clear cut. its not black and white. people write books, articles, etc to reflect their views. they use strong arguments to support their assertions. as intelligent people, we should always question an author's motives/background/political identity. otherwise we run the risk of believing whatever is fed to us...and really now, who wants to be compared to a gullible american?
:dunce:
and what is your point?????????????????/// i fail to get it can you come again

and what is your point?????????????????/// i fail to get it can you come again

re-read it.