looks like someone just got released from sandilands ..

:eek:

Well i am glad to know you took a class in critical thinking, but it is evident from your post that you did not learn much there. As for the books that i have mentioned which ones did you read. Lets be real about this, i posted part of a discussion on the nature of critical thinking, if you don’t need it, that’s great for you. i am not going to go into a long dissertation on what you don’t need or do need ,you will make up your own mind as i will mine. As for others who have a desire to know what is really going on the post is there. My knowledge of the Bahamas is not an issue here as i have demonstrated my level of awareness in all of my post, if you find a valid issue then bring it up but for the most part all i have from you is unsubstantiated opinions, which is not worth much, if you have a degree as you say you do then you must be familiar with research methods, forming hypothesis, testing the validity of these hypothesis, and this is lacking in your post.

You cannot understand the immigration problem in the Bahamas until you understand the historical, geo political forces that are acting to create and maintain this situation that is my theory. Unless Haiti as a country can be brought to social, political stability this migration problem will continue unabated, the mass expulsion of Haitians is not the answer. In order to solve this problem first step is that, the usa must stop its policy of interference the carieaben in particular haiti, if we are not looking and crafting this policy we are fooling our selves.

The Bahamian government's system of immigration has been compromised on all levels. The immigration raids that take place are merely a show to the Bahamian public to make it appear as if the situation is being handled. Those who are caught in the raids are freed after paying bribes of only $250. Note that this is only if the raids actually take place - there have been instances where immigration officers of Haitian descent have refused their commanding officer's direct order to arrest illegal immigrants.

So some person thinks that I should take his critical thinking class eh? For someone who is not in this country and is completely unaware of the FACTS, certain people need to rest their nerves and find out what's going on first in The Bahamas. I have read some of the books mentioned and have done my research thoroughly. As for the history of Haiti, Bahamian history is happening right now under the noses of Bahamian citizens - our country is taking in more immigrants than we will be able to handle socially and economically. There will be repercussions.


http://www.bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=2235&page=5&highlight=haiti

you say you understand haiti, i wonder what it is you understand, you say you understand the Bahamas, i wonder what it is you understand, i remember being part of the protest taken by students of cob against the government for failure to renew work permits i remember sitting on bay street, i remember seeing if the patterns of government remained the same then there would be no changes, where were you, i recall working hard to get rid of alfred gray in carmichael as the plp member, where were you.

hey i was even working at the hospital trying to make it more efficient where were you, hey while we were working on dismantling general orders what were you doing? or have you got another definition of what being aware of in the Bahamas is? if you are what you say you are then show it and stop fronting..........

or have you got another definition of what being aware of in the Bahamas is? if you are what you say you are then show it and stop fronting..........

Like I said before, this situation has permeated all aspects of Bahamian society.

Just this weekend I watched a long line of cars traveling along Wulff Road celebrating Haiti's flag day (which was actually on the 18th). All of the cars were decorated with Haitian flags and the people within them were all happily shouting in Haitian Creole. I asked a few of the young Bahamians of Haitian descent standing along the side of the road what was happening and none of them could tell me. All that they knew was that "their people" were celebrating something, so they had to support them.

Those kids' attitudes are a symptom of a bigger problem that we Bahamians have created by not thinking ahead. We value the work ethic of the Haitian immigrants as it pertains to lower income jobs, but at the same time we do not take into account the effect that a continuous influx of "low income" immigrants has on our shores. Those Haitians who have arrived here know that they have a better life than what they would have had in Haiti, but they still do not feel truly indoctrinated into this society. Naturally they feel comfortable among their own and wish to create their own "society" within Bahamian society. Many Bahamians resent this, for we are a proud people who can see the circumvention of Bahamian t'ings. There isn't anything wrong with someone celebrating their heritage, but when it is done in a small country that already has an identity crisis, we have a recipe for disaster.

Some Bahamians do not see it this way, however, for their ties to those of Haitian descent are in some cases stronger than their ties to those of pure Bahamian heritage. They see nothing wrong with this steady deterioration of Bahamian society. They say that Bahamians have no culture anyway or are more Americanized, so we really have nothing to protect culturally. Then there are the "educated" folks who throw around words like xenophobia and would rather focus on the human rights aspects of illegal immigrants, rather than having the foresight to see how immigrants are in a very good position to overrun this country within the next 50 years.

With all that said, I choose my battles and allies more carefully nowadays. I am not “fronting” as you claim, A1000. The battle to alleviate this situation will not be an easy one, for every aspect of our society has been compromised. There are very few persons nowadays that Bahamians can trust to look out for the good of Bahamians. Do you understand this?

Well i am glad to know you took a class in critical thinking, but it is evident from your post that you did not learn much there. As for the books that i have mentioned which ones did you read. Lets be real about this, i posted part of a discussion on the nature of critical thinking, if you don’t need it, that’s great for you. i am not going to go into a long dissertation on what you don’t need or do need ,you will make up your own mind as i will mine. As for others who have a desire to know what is really going on the post is there. My knowledge of the Bahamas is not an issue here as i have demonstrated my level of awareness in all of my post, if you find a valid issue then bring it up but for the most part all i have from you is unsubstantiated opinions, which is not worth much, if you have a degree as you say you do then you must be familiar with research methods, forming hypothesis, testing the validity of these hypothesis, and this is lacking in your post.
You cannot understand the immigration problem in the Bahamas until you understand the historical, geo political forces that are acting to create and maintain this situation that is my theory. Unless Haiti as a country can be brought to social, political stability this migration problem will continue unabated, the mass expulsion of Haitians is not the answer. In order to solve this problem first step is that, the usa must stop its policy of interference the carieaben in particular haiti, if we are not looking and crafting this policy we are fooling our selves.
http://www.bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=2235&page=5&highlight=haiti
you say you understand haiti, i wonder what it is you understand, you say you understand the Bahamas, i wonder what it is you understand, i remember being part of the protest taken by students of cob against the government for failure to renew work permits i remember sitting on bay street, i remember seeing if the patterns of government remained the same then there would be no changes, where were you, i recall working hard to get rid of alfred gray in carmichael as the plp member, where were you.
hey i was even working at the hospital trying to make it more efficient where were you, hey while we were working on dismantling general orders what were you doing? or have you got another definition of what being aware of in the Bahamas is? if you are what you say you are then show it and stop fronting..........



You emerged from underground huh? :eek:

looks like someone just got released from sandilands ..

:jawdroop:

Like I said before, this situation has permeated all aspects of Bahamian society.
Just this weekend I watched a long line of cars traveling along Wulff Road celebrating Haiti's flag day (which was actually on the 18th). All of the cars were decorated with Haitian flags and the people within them were all happily shouting in Haitian Creole. I asked a few of the young Bahamians of Haitian descent standing along the side of the road what was happening and none of them could tell me. All that they knew was that "their people" were celebrating something, so they had to support them.
Those kids' attitudes are a symptom of a bigger problem that we Bahamians have created by not thinking ahead. We value the work ethic of the Haitian immigrants as it pertains to lower income jobs, but at the same time we do not take into account the effect that a continuous influx of "low income" immigrants has on our shores. Those Haitians who have arrived here know that they have a better life than what they would have had in Haiti, but they still do not feel truly indoctrinated into this society. Naturally they feel comfortable among their own and wish to create their own "society" within Bahamian society. Many Bahamians resent this, for we are a proud people who can see the circumvention of Bahamian t'ings. There isn't anything wrong with someone celebrating their heritage, but when it is done in a small country that already has an identity crisis, we have a recipe for disaster.
Some Bahamians do not see it this way, however, for their ties to those of Haitian descent are in some cases stronger than their ties to those of pure Bahamian heritage. They see nothing wrong with this steady deterioration of Bahamian society. They say that Bahamians have no culture anyway or are more Americanized, so we really have nothing to protect culturally. Then there are the "educated" folks who throw around words like xenophobia and would rather focus on the human rights aspects of illegal immigrants, rather than having the foresight to see how immigrants are in a very good position to overrun this country within the next 50 years.
With all that said, I choose my battles and allies more carefully nowadays. I am not “fronting” as you claim, A1000. The battle to alleviate this situation will not be an easy one, for every aspect of our society has been compromised. There are very few persons nowadays that Bahamians can trust to look out for the good of Bahamians. Do you understand this?

say it again...

Many Bahamians resent this, for we are a proud people who can see the circumvention of Bahamian t'ings.
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They say that Bahamians have no culture anyway or are more Americanized, so we really have nothing to protect culturally.



i am afraid that we are once again using the haitians as scapegoats for our own social failures. the demise of bahamian 'society' came with the installation of the first satellite dish in the early 1970s.

until then, we were a creative, vibrant community of storytellers, musicians, historians, fishermen, builders, weavers, farmers steeped in several hundred years of our own unique place in the world. now we all live at home with mummy and daddy, sporting solid gold necklaces.

i am afraid that we are once again using the haitians as scapegoats for our own social failures. the demise of bahamian 'society' came with the installation of the first satellite dish in the early 1970s.
until then, we were a creative, vibrant community of storytellers, musicians, historians, fishermen, builders, weavers, farmers steeped in several hundred years of our own unique place in the world. now we all live at home with mummy and daddy, sporting solid gold necklaces.

taffy steps in the room...and turns around and shakes her head in disgust...:eek: as her bahamian sister blames it on the tv!:gi: :uh:

say what ya want, but the out islands changed for good when the first dish went up. similar reports of cultural dilution have come in from all over the globe, based on saturation of 'western' media that focuses on consumption rather than creation. we're not exactly alone.

say what ya want, but the out islands changed for good when the first dish went up. similar reports of cultural dilution have come in from all over the globe, based on saturation of 'western' media that focuses on consumption rather than creation. we're not exactly alone.

I tend to agree with you, to a point. There is no doubt that exposer to different values - as seen on TV, movies etc. does have an affect on people.

say what ya want, but the out islands changed for good when the first dish went up. similar reports of cultural dilution have come in from all over the globe, based on saturation of 'western' media that focuses on consumption rather than creation. we're not exactly alone.

newsflash boys and girls we live "in the west" not some bush and backward third world despotic regime...so we need to stop acting like it!...oops!:eek:

you know what i meant ... stop playing coy:). madison avenue is quite different in priority and substance than the bahamas, caribbean, central and south america, et al.

my out island childhood was anything but bush (other than cerasee and shepherd's needle, eh) or third world or despotic. we listened to calypso and built guy fawkes effigies and bonfires on the beach and goatskin drums for rushing and went crabbing at 4:00a during season and made jars and jars of cocoplum jelly and built boats and wove sails and fished at night and played guitar and told stories while sitting out watching the sunset or the moonrise and worked hard and farmed hard and listened to our elders and had a decent literacy rate back then.

you know what i meant ... stop playing coy:). madison avenue is quite different in priority and substance than the bahamas, caribbean, central and south america, et al.

I could careless about what madison avenue has to offer last time I checked those same shoppers were on lyford cay...or trying to get a taste of the real Bahamian experience...
Wall Street hides its money into our offshore industry...my Bahamian sister it goes both ways...we need to start acting like we give a damn about our geographic position...if you wah be bush and backward, bible beathing, blamin git on the devil box and making bed and "yes sirrin" and "yes mamn" then you go right ahead,...but as for me and my house we gah act like we got some sense and exhaust all possibliites of what our sun water and sand can do for us besides the superficial or the easy...

Then there are the "educated" folks who throw around words like xenophobia and would rather focus on the human rights aspects of illegal immigrants, rather than having the foresight to see how immigrants are in a very good position to overrun this country within the next 50 years.
this?


This is so true, we need some type of balance.

my out island childhood was anything but bush (other than cerasee and shepherd's needle, eh) or third world or despotic. we listened to calypso and built guy fawkes effigies and bonfires on the beach and goatskin drums for rushing and went crabbing at 4:00a during season and made jars and jars of cocoplum jelly and built boats and wove sails and fished at night and played guitar and told stories while sitting out watching the sunset or the moonrise and worked hard and farmed hard and listened to our elders and had a decent literacy rate back then.

I grew up on exuma..I know of what you speak...and I would love to share all those experience with my children as I would hope they would with theirs...but because I know what our country could be...I will not fall for your bush and backward "it was so good back then" rhetoric...we still can still have all those things you spoke about and still function like we live in the west...why cant 300 people be environmentally friendly in our country?
the reality of life is that time change...I hate to admit it but our country is evolving into something that we really will have no control over because our leaders dont have the vision to see it for what it really is(ie illegeal immigrants and the developers and foreignors coming in taking up space)...the world is a different place these days...the more knowledgeable and aware we are about it the "better" of we'll be...