voila! you bear all the hallmarks of one of these 'christians' who rant and rave at people for 'breaking God's laws'(re:homosexuals), but on the other hand you easily (and readily) justify your faults with, 'awww noone is perfect'. evidence of this can be found in your very tone:

a) Christianity doesnt require you or for that matter ask that you follow everything to a tee
b) we can never follow the entire bible down to a tee IT IS HUMANLY IMPPOSIBLE!!
c) but we can try to live by some principle
d) NO ONE IS PERFECT
e) it doesnt make us hypocrites for pointing out ill behavior
WTF???? so if christianity is willing to accept that 'everyone makes mistakes' and 'following the Bible in its literal sense is impossible', then why does the church make a fuss about homosexuality???? aren't all sins equal?. i'm sorry i simply cant understand this logic. it seems like in your world, certain sins are more serious than others, when in fact the Bible specifically states otherwise.

sorry the above was for Y2Kbad... and also, you should know, i havent been hurt by the church or christians. like i said, thats not the point at all. you just realise certain things with age. as you broaden your horizons. as you read, travel, expore...like the first time you realised 'swearing' was not really breaking one of 'God's laws'...when someone (finally) broke it down to for you and told f.*&^.., s.K().., and the others are simply words which man gave a negative connotation to. no, you wont go to hell for using them. you will just look terribly bad...or as they say in this country, terribly chav.!

:cutie:

sorry the above was for Y2Kbad... and also, you should know, i havent been hurt by the church or christians. like i said, thats not the point at all. you just realise certain things with age. as you broaden your horizons. as you read, travel, expore...like the first time you realised 'swearing' was not really breaking one of 'God's laws'...when someone (finally) broke it down to for you and told f.*&^.., s.K().., and the others are simply words which man gave a negative connotation to. no, you wont go to hell for using them. you will just look terribly bad...or as they say in this country, terribly chav.!

:cutie:
Hmmmmmmm! Soooooooo I feel the same way about the word FAGGOT..Boy I Tell Ya people these days. :taped:

Hmmmmmmm! Soooooooo I feel the same way about the word FAGGOT..Boy I Tell Ya people these days.
understood. however, it is still derogatory and you should not use it. but dont worry - you wont burn in hell for it! :cutie:

understood. however, it is still derogatory and you should not use it. but dont worry - you wont burn in hell for it! :cutie:
Well I feel the same way about the fa.........ahmm I mean the homosexuals taking the word gay & changing the meaning,cuz when I was coming up in school if you said the word gay,I would say happy.But right now my 7year old thinks it means homosexuals.LIFE AYE! :dgi:

And you know what else BahamaBoy? its not only the number 1 recreational activity because people are bored out of their minds...its because thats how we were brought up. we are put in christian schools, we are sent to sunday school every sunday and we are constantly bombarded by people all around us talking about virtue. the result: if you question christianity, you are bad. you have demons. we arent even taught about other religions in school! how dumb did i feel when i moved abroad and had no idea what a sikh or buddhist actually believe? at home, we are made to feel terrible about ourselves if we do something 'un-christian'. we are made to feel like we've let others down if we are not one of the many sheep. we leave home and live in different countries, meet new people and our parents tell us 'don't adopt the ways of the world'! this is why the ministers try to get us 'when we are young'. and stupid. too naive to question anything. do bad - ok, just come to church on sunday, pay your tithes and repent. and oh! how we repent. every single sunday for our deeds on saturday night. everytime we have extra-marital affairs. everytime we have pre-marital sex. repent, repent, repent! im not trying to be sacreligious. i just wonder whether people actually think about these things?

its time for the church to wake up and realise, either adjust your storyline to accomodate people in the 21st century, or kiss your young followers goodbye. i mean, this might not be the right thread for this post, but this organised religion stuff is beginning to frustrate me. take the Catholic church and its warped and outdated views on abortion, homosexuality and pre-marital sex. we have an establishment which preaches sex before marriage is wrong. well, im sorry, but maybe 2000+ years ago this was up for debate - when people 'married' at 12. it is simply unreasonable and indeed stupid to think in this day and age, when people wait until early 30s to marry, that they will also wait to have sex. get over it. 30 year old virgins do not exist. and if they do, they masturbate (oops...can i say that?)....and according to the church even masturbation is wrong! what then? sweet jesus, and the poor priests who must abide by this stuff? they are then forced to break not one, but TWO of God's heavenly rules: (a) 'homosexual relations' (b) with a child??? oh right - this is the church we are swearing by! on abortion - are you telling me, an establishment with countless documented incidents of child molestation has the right to tell me/look at me in disdain if i believe in abortion? whats worse: having an unwanted child that you cant even afford to adequately provide for, or aborting a fetus? i reckon aborting a fetus takes a few minutes...much better than a lifetime of hell for an unwanted child.

i know im way off topic so forgive me, but when will people wake up and realise organised religion is a bucket load of crap? please dont get me wrong. i believe in God, and he has done miracles for me. i believe there is a Supreme being who will judge us all someday. what i dont believe is the crap ministers tell us to get our money. to make us feel bad about ourselves. if we are homosexuals we will burn in hell...who are these people, and where they hell do they come from? do they not study the bible? did the bible not say: thou shalt not judge? these men are often not men of God. they dont teach. they preach at you...the spittier the pulpit the better. im sorry, but i will not accept someone preaching down to me, telling me im unholy, when they most likely have full-blown extra marital affairs with choir girls. pastors should be leaders, teaching us to be Christ-like and humble. And im sorry, Christ would not accept luxury cars (or maybe camels back then) from a starving congregation. Christ would not have a private jet, when so many of his own Bahamian people (children) cannot afford a new school uniform, or a healthy lunch to eat at school. And Christ would certainly not live in a million dollar house. this crap has got to stop. then they have the balls to talk about you doin this, you doin that, you bad. the Vatican still refuses to publicly debate the information translated from the dead sea scrolls found more than 50 years ago! why?? terrified that all you sheep will eventually think for yourselves, and potentially question the very foundation of the 'Church'. terrified that editing the bible and adding the lost books are too controversial. ha! go figure. the church will continue riding you sheep for fools.



KABOOOOOMMMM the nail exploded.

Don't forget the Gnostic gospels that were found also.

voila! you bear all the hallmarks of one of these 'christians' who rant and rave at people for 'breaking God's laws'(re:homosexuals), but on the other hand you easily (and readily) justify your faults with, 'awww noone is perfect'. evidence of this can be found in your very tone:


WTF???? so if christianity is willing to accept that 'everyone makes mistakes' and 'following the Bible in its literal sense is impossible', then why does the church make a fuss about homosexuality???? scapgoat blame GLBT for all the ills in the world so they won't see what we are doing wrong. aren't all sins equal?. i'm sorry i simply cant understand this logic. it seems like in your world, certain sins are more serious than others, when in fact the Bible specifically states otherwise.


Watch out I sadi all this before But maybe they hear you better.

Well I feel the same way about the fa.........ahmm I mean the homosexuals taking the word gay & changing the meaning,cuz when I was coming up in school if you said the word gay,I would say happy.But right now my 7year old thinks it means homosexuals.LIFE AYE! :dgi:

Str8s changed the use of the word.

Str8s changed the use of the word.


Exactly...this is simply just another way that misinformation is passed on over the years. As a result, now you have tension towards the GLBT community when we didn't even do anything.

AMA, can I just say that you deserve a medal...your last posts were just too awesome to not be noticed. Keep preaching and let these kids know what is what...

its time for the church to wake up and realise, either adjust your storyline to accomodate people in the 21st century, or kiss your young followers goodbye.


While I sit back and nod in agreement with some things that you have written here, I take issue with this particular statement. Why should the Christian Church try to accomodate people that our living and acting contrary to their belief system and principles? Why should they adjust their principles and beliefs for every Tom, Dick, and Harry that says, 'Nah I dont like it this way, I want it this way'? Do you expect this of other religions? Or are you implying that only Christianity is flawed, I know you are smarter than that?

If you make specific and set rules for your house, how realistically are you going to change those rules to please others, I mean it is your house? And I am not saying this to say that everything that the Christian Chruch does is right, but I dont think it is feasible or even right to expect the Christian Church to change their principle and belief system for people that are indifferent to it. Try expecting the same thing of Islam, or Judiasm, and see how far that gets you.

We all have the freedom to remove oursleves from the confines of organized religion (maybe in conservative societies like the Bahamas this is not fully true), but that portion is left up to the voting masses and majority rules.

In essence the Christian Church shouldnt adjust their storyline at all. In my opinion ( and I am not extremely relgious), read another book if you dont like where the story line and characters are headed. That goes for other religions as well.

AMA, can I just say that you deserve a medal...your last posts were just too awesome to not be noticed. Keep preaching and let these kids know what is what...

Finekameo: yup, thanks. this is what happens when one is bored with application forms!

Why should the Christian Church try to accomodate people that our living and acting contrary to their belief system and principles? Why should they adjust their principles and beliefs for every Tom, Dick, and Harry that says, 'Nah I dont like it this way, I want it this way'?

Teniel: its not a matter of the Christian Church actually adjusting their principles and beliefs...it would be more productive if they approached certain issues differently. as opposed to shouting down those believing in abortion - stay out! as opposed to the American Christian Right (George & friends) making unreasonably ridiculous demands on African Governments (re: enforcing abstinence as opposed to protection) - give these people the right to choose! how christian-like is it to say, 'well if you dont get them to practice abstinence, i wont give you the financial support you so desperately need to assist with your Aids crisis?' bloody hell! as opposed to arguing an eye for an eye (re:capital punishment), preach forgiveness. like i said times have changed. while it might be fitting to stone people in during biblical days, we cannot use the bible in its literal sense to do the same things in the 21st century! we have evolved beyond biblical days. we have heaps and heaps of research that indicates such punishment is far from effective!

its amazing the things we choose to hang on to from the bible, and the things we chose to let go. the church has changed its views and positions before to reflect modern society, why not now? it can choose to approach issues of homosexuality and pre-marital sex differently, just as it chose to do so with slavery! instead of the church waging war on the 'homosexual agenda' (i laugh everytime i hear that phrase) - embrace them and allow God to deal with their 'faults'. more emphasis of being God-like, less emphasis on dividing the believers from the non believers...those 'hell-bound' and those 'heaven-bound'!

In essence the Christian Church shouldnt adjust their storyline at all. In my opinion ( and I am not extremely relgious), read another book if you dont like where the story line and characters are headed. That goes for other religions as well.
teniel, we live in a different era. a totally different civilisation! i think it was discussed on another thread - think back to the times when blacks could not vote...were we less human? why couldnt we have a voice? think back to slavery and colonialism. why were we so worthless that we were treated like cattle and allowed to be transported from one part of the world to the next - with no say. viciously split up from our tribes and families. were we not human then? when women couldnt vote...why is it the because of our sex we were seen as less valuable than our male counterparts? and now because of one's sexual orientation, some people are denied rights to be with the partner of their choice. denied rights to have a legally recognised union. denied the right to have children? are they less human than us??? why are these fellow human beings being forced to live a lie, or they are otherwise considered outcasts? lose their jobs? not allowed to hold certain political offices? is this a joke?

for as long as i can rememeber, as long as i could critically analyse and think for myself, i wondered why? i lived in nassau in those days, and trust me, i stuck out like a sore thumb. i still stick out when i try to question people - yo what is up with HMP? why cant the govt afford enough beds for prisoners? plumbing? yet they can can afford luxury cars for Cabinet ministers...who really dont need another car?? we pride ourselves on being one of the stars of the caribbean - yet our prisoners crap in a bucket?! i have always been met with the simplistic and ignorant arguments: 'they are prisoners. they deserve what they get'! :what: are you joking? what then, do we then expect of those who re-join society in ten years?

getting back to the point, you say the Church shouldnt adjust its story, read another book if you wish. i agree. but here's the catch - how feasible is this in a christian nation like the bahamas. yes we have various religions, but do you remember the drama when the mosque was built? ha! i remember i was supposed to go to a buddhist meeting with a friend of mine. hehehe. my friends and family thought i had literally gone mad. you know what people say? 'you are searching'. trying to 'find' yourself. sort of like miss teen queen. she's a lesbian. at 18. she must be searching. confused. yes we can read up on all the religions we wish, but its time for bahmian people to be more open and accepting of those with different views and opinions.

ps: see i came back to the miss queen topic afterall! :angel:

While I sit back and nod in agreement with some things that you have written here, I take issue with this particular statement. Why should the Christian Church try to accomodate people that our living and acting contrary to their belief system and principles? Why should they adjust their principles and beliefs for every Tom, Dick, and Harry that says, 'Nah I dont like it this way, I want it this way'? Do you expect this of other religions? Or are you implying that only Christianity is flawed, I know you are smarter than that?

If you make specific and set rules for your house, how realistically are you going to change those rules to please others, I mean it is your house? In my house my kids had to be home by 10 or just after in case it was a movie that ended near 10. Now they are older wiser they come home as they see fit. And I am not saying this to say that everything that the Christian Chruch does is right, but I dont think it is feasible or even right to expect the Christian Church to change their principle and belief system for people that are indifferent to it. Try expecting the same thing of Islam, or Judiasm, and see how far that gets you.
Jews stoned adulters they don't now why?? Islam killed people for adultery as well. Only fanatical Islamic government still do. Muhammad taught forgiveness much like Jesus did. The christian church used to burn witches why did they stop??? Why did christians hate and murder left handed people?? Do they still do this?? Please show me Christmas or Easter in the Bible why do they pray to the idol of the virgin mary????? All adapted from Paganism in order to get the Pagans to join the church. All adaptations of the storyline as it was called.

We all have the freedom to remove oursleves from the confines of organized religion (maybe in conservative societies like the Bahamas this is not fully true), but that portion is left up to the voting masses and majority rules.

In essence the Christian Church shouldnt adjust their storyline at all. In my opinion ( and I am not extremely relgious), read another book if you dont like where the story line and characters are headed. That goes for other religions as well.

teniel, we live in a different era. a totally different civilisation! i think it was discussed on another thread - think back to the times when blacks could not vote...were we less human? why couldnt we have a voice? think back to slavery and colonialism. why were we so worthless that we were treated like cattle and allowed to be transported from one part of the world to the next - with no say. viciously split up from our tribes and families. were we not human then? when women couldnt vote...why is it the because of our sex we were seen as less valuable than our male counterparts? and now because of one's sexual orientation, some people are denied rights to be with the partner of their choice. denied rights to have a legally recognised union. denied the right to have children? are they less human than us??? why are these fellow human beings being forced to live a lie, or they are otherwise considered outcasts? lose their jobs? not allowed to hold certain political offices? is this a joke?

for as long as i can rememeber, as long as i could critically analyse and think for myself, i wondered why? i lived in nassau in those days, and trust me, i stuck out like a sore thumb. i still stick out when i try to question people - yo what is up with HMP? why cant the govt afford enough beds for prisoners? plumbing? yet they can can afford luxury cars for Cabinet ministers...who really dont need another car?? we pride ourselves on being one of the stars of the caribbean - yet our prisoners crap in a bucket?! i have always been met with the simplistic and ignorant arguments: 'they are prisoners. they deserve what they get'! :what: are you joking? what then, do we then expect of those who re-join society in ten years?

getting back to the point, you say the Church shouldnt adjust its story, read another book if you wish. i agree. but here's the catch - how feasible is this in a christian nation like the bahamas. yes we have various religions, but do you remember the drama when the mosque was built? ha! i remember i was supposed to go to a buddhist meeting with a friend of mine. hehehe. my friends and family thought i had literally gone mad. you know what people say? 'you are searching'. trying to 'find' yourself. sort of like miss teen queen. she's a lesbian. at 18. she must be searching. confused. yes we can read up on all the religions we wish, but its time for bahmian people to be more open and accepting of those with different views and opinions.

ps: see i came back to the miss queen topic afterall! :angel:


You sound so much like me its scary. Why don't you come to a few meetings and maybe join us. Help us "stop discrimination in all its dehumanizing forms".
(Right out of our flyer) Str8s are very welcome or should I say humans are welcome.