I recently had this conversation concerning both cow's milk,soy milk and mother's milk with my daughter in law.
At toddler age:Pop,I'm not feeding Giana cow's milk or beef because cows are medicated and strontium 90 has been detected in milk.
Response:Honey,strontium 90 is present in our bodies and nearly every thing on earth is contaminated with it to a small degree.Your body and your breast milk is probably more contaminated with medications,especially considering you are 36 and a dairy cow lives to be maybe 8 years and a beef cow 2 years.To say nothing of the chance Giana will be allergic to dairy products concerning your decision.Guess what the kid is 6 now and totally lactose intolerant.I am, not suggesting breast milk is bad, but all rash statements deserve close examination from all perspectives.
How do I know about US milk standards?I have been in the trucking business"among others" for 35 years.I drove trailer trucks myself for 28 of those.We have transported milk in tankers,collecting it from farm to farm,then to the consignee.Every load is screened for the presence of medication.On more than one occassion I have seen 6000 gallons of milk go down the drain because a cow on medication wasn't secured and walked itself to the milking parlour,got milked and contaminated a whole load.It is taken very seriously.
More on Soy later- one of my excavators just threw a track and I need to go to work....:sailing:


thanks for the info, tho i fear that the strontium 90 is being blown out of proportion.

I have grown up with a lot of misconceptions about the world, one has been this this thing about milk, my life has been free from milk for 6 years now and its great. I got this from a comrad and i do think its something that should be thought about critically. its implications are far reaching:
"I think that we (black people) should reexamine what we feed our youth
especially since its is a known fact (especially amongst the medical industry) that dairy products (milk, cheese, ice cream, etc.) leads to dis-eases that plagues us such as asthma, sinus problems, etc."
Got milk? You've got problems
By Karen Dawn, KAREN DAWN runs the animal advocacy media watch DawnWatch.com and is a contributor to "In Defense of Animals: The Second Wave" (Blackwell Publishing, 2005).
DAIRY COWS have overtaken automobiles as the No. 1 air polluter in parts of California,
according to a Los Angeles Times article. A New York Times editorial discussed
"the eye-stinging, nose-burning smell of cattle congestion in rural California," acknowledging that something had to be done. What nobody wants to say, in this land of milk and cookies, is that we shouldn't be drinking cow's milk.
In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin Spock made it clear that
cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human children. He wrote that it was "too rich in the
saturated fats that cause artery blockages" and that it "slows down iron absorption." He
suggested that it may cause ear and/or respiratory problems, and may be linked to
childhood onset diabetes. He stressed that infants should drink only human breast
milk and older children should try soy and rice milk products.
But the dairy industry would rather you didn't know that. As it spends millions of dollars
telling us that milk consumption will help us lose weight, it would rather we didn't see a
study published in the June issue of the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine.
The study found that children who drink more than three servings of milk daily are prone
to becoming overweight, even if it is low-fat milk. Neither does the industry advertise
the Harvard School of Public Health finding that 15% of whites, 70% of African Americans
and 90% of Asians are lactose intolerant.
The dairy industry prefers to scare us with tales of brittle bones, hoping we don't notice
studies showing that people in Asia, who consume almost no dairy products, have a
significantly lower rate of hip fractures than people in "got milk?" America. Consistent with
those results is Harvard University's 1997 Nurses Health Study, which followed 78,000
women over a 12-year period and found that those who consumed the most dairy foods
broke the most bones.
And a study published just this month in the International Journal of Cancer found a 13%
increase in ovarian cancer risk in women who increased their lactose intake in amounts
equivalent to one glass of milk per day.
Men don't need milk either. A Harvard study published in 1998 linked high calcium
consumption to prostate cancer, and in this week's news, we learned that Dean Ornish's
low-fat, vegan diet (no dairy) may block the progression of that disease. While touting its
products as a fundamental part of a healthy diet, the dairy industry won't rush to tell us that
Scott Jurek, who just won the Western States 100-mile run — for the seventh time in a row —
is vegan.
Now, we learn that the dairy industry may also be harming our children by polluting the air.
The Times article quoted an attorney for the Center on Race, Poverty & the Environment,
who said that in Fresno, in the center of the nation's dairy industry, one in six children carries
an inhaler to school.
Instead of protecting us, the government aligns itself with the dairy lobby. The California
Milk Advisory Board, a government agency, playfully took advantage of society's
increasing concern for animal welfare with its phenomenally successful "happy cows"
campaign, which shows extended bovine families grazing in meadows.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals sued the board for false advertising, arguing
that most California dairy cows live miserable lives on overcrowded dirt lots. They are
artificially inseminated annually, because they don't produce milk without pregnancies,
and are pumped full of hormones so that they will give 10 times as much milk as they
would naturally. Their calves are carted off to veal crates. Then at about age 5, the "happy"
cows are turned into hamburgers. PETA's suit failed — on the grounds that government
bodies are exempt from fair advertising laws. Government is free to say whatever it wants
about the conditions in which cows live, or about the "health benefits" of milk.
Unfortunately, the government is unlikely to start running ads suggesting we follow Asia's
lead and switch to tofu, or even kale, though both have more calcium per cup than cow's
milk. But for your health, the environment, the animals, and for those kids in Fresno carrying
inhalers, why not change your next Starbucks low-fat latte order to soy?



Comrad is an old commie word man.........anyways goats milk is supposed to be good and you can buy "organic" cow milk which is free of anabolic steroid hormones etc etc. Drink ya milk man, it does a body good.

Comrad is an old commie word man.........anyways goats milk is supposed to be good and you can buy "organic" cow milk which is free of anabolic steroid hormones etc etc. Drink ya milk man, it does a body good.


ok, and whats wrong with commie words, if they lead to your mental liberation, please think.:hammer:

ok, and whats wrong with commie words, if they lead to your mental liberation, please think.:hammer:

:footmouth you need liberation...badly

:footmouth you need liberation...badly



The word Comrad was placed in the post intentional, to show a love equal of a love that i have for my biological brother and sister, Comrad encompasses a total acceptance of a person, it also is the light of truth that exposes the facist living in the kapatalistick grey suits, and their lackies are you one?

But this thread is not about that it is about health, and we as a people must understand that the health of a nation is not possible in a kapatalistic ecconomy. We must value the individual and not the dollar, thus we have to be very careful of the drug industry, alot of our health problems can be solve through diet exercise national culture, bond with the creator and ancestors.

Yes I needed liberation, now that my mind is free i am looking 360 degrees and reaching, to you Jer i say let go of doubt, and fear free your mind
[extracted from the matrix].

The word Comrad was placed in the post intentional, to show a love equal of a love that i have for my biological brother and sister, Comrad encompasses a total acceptance of a person, it also is the light of truth that exposes the facist living in the kapatalistick grey suits, and their lackies are you one?
But this thread is not about that it is about health, and we as a people must understand that the health of a nation is not possible in a kapatalistic ecconomy. We must value the individual and not the dollar, thus we have to be very careful of the drug industry, alot of our health problems can be solve through diet exercise national culture, bond with the creator and ancestors.
Yes I needed liberation, now that my mind is free i am looking 360 degrees and reaching, to you Jer i say let go of doubt, and fear free your mind
[extracted from the matrix].

So what is wrong with capitalism comrad? The health of a nation is not possible in a kapatalistic economy? What world you living in Cuz? Keep working on liberating yourself and get back to me.:hammer:

So what is wrong with capitalism comrad? The health of a nation is not possible in a kapatalistic economy? What world you living in Cuz? Keep working on liberating yourself and get back to me.:hammer:



There again you are showing your igance, did you not read the piece on milk on what goes on in the dairy industry? Are you not following the trials against viox? Claims against ritilan, are you just stupid! dont you understand that in a kapatialistic model the underlying rational is the accumulation of kapital at any cost. Thats what the free your mind statement was about.

There again you are showing your igance, did you not read the piece on milk on what goes on in the dairy industry? Are you not following the trials against viox? Claims against ritilan, are you just stupid! dont you understand that in a kapatialistic model the underlying rational is the accumulation of kapital at any cost. Thats what the free your mind statement was about.

Stop reading PETA and these extremist groups. Read all the facts before you flap your gums.

There again you are showing your igance, did you not read the piece on milk on what goes on in the dairy industry? Are you not following the trials against viox? Claims against ritilan, are you just stupid! dont you understand that in a kapatialistic model the underlying rational is the accumulation of kapital at any cost. Thats what the free your mind statement was about.

Take it easy man.If you really want to read an interesting book about adulterated food products try: "The Jungle" by Sinclair Lewis,an old book but really goes in depth on this topic,very enlightening and rather frightening story. :sailing:

I think much of the problem with milk and beef stems from greed (or maybe the demand is too great), causing farmers to try to grow the cattle as quickly as possible by feeding them with hormones, other catle meat, and all kinds of food that God did not intend for them to consume, hence cows started contracting mad cow disease and hoof and mouth disease, the former being incurable!

But about 50 or 60 years ago the meat and milk were much healthier than they are today, as cattle was not being fed all the junk as is now the case!
Personally, I try to follow the dietary laws set out in the Bible in Gen 1:29, 3:18. These state that man's food should be strictly plant food: nuts, seeds, fruit, vegetables, etc. Also, Lev chap 11 and Deut chap 14 speak of clean and unclean foods.



I agree with you on your GREED statement, however, I feel that it not only affects diary products as far as chemicals are concerned, but fruits and vegetables as well. IMO, it's a catch 22 unless you have a small farm in the back of your yard where you know for sure that chemical influence is minimal to non-existant.

We must value the individual and not the dollar......


This is where it starts and ends, globally speaking. It's a lost value that has vapourized with the self-centered thinking of mankind.

As far as the drug companies go, it's been a belief of mine the R&D (Research and Development) organizations are in a money-making loop that makes billions, and billions of dollars off the backs of people in this world.

We know that they have left curing diseases in the 19th century, and have embarked on a more lucrative, and more robust line of business, which is the *treatment* of diseases.

This is where it starts and ends, globally speaking. It's a lost value that has vapourized with the self-centered thinking of mankind.
As far as the drug companies go, it's been a belief of mine the R&D (Research and Development) organizations are in a money-making loop that makes billions, and billions of dollars off the backs of people in this world.
We know that they have left curing diseases in the 19th century, and have embarked on a more lucrative, and more robust line of business, which is the *treatment* of diseases.

That's no lie about the drug companies.We host Pfizer's global reseach and develpoment center in my home town.They are the biggest bunch of cheapskates that ever came down the pike.

That's no lie about the drug companies.We host Pfizer's global reseach and develpoment center in my home town.They are the biggest bunch of cheapskates that ever came down the pike.

dont u live in abaco th ough?

dont u live in abaco th ough?

I'm forced to live both places until I get some immigration issues straight for my stepkids.Not much fun.I want my kids to have all the cultural advantages of the US,so if they wish to return to Abaco with us, they will be educated and well rounded. If they choose the States, well they will be ready. :)

So far they love New England,even though it has only been for a summer.

Take it easy man.If you really want to read an interesting book about adulterated food products try: "The Jungle" by Sinclair Lewis,an old book but really goes in depth on this topic,very enlightening and rather frightening story. :sailing:



Atually the book i reccomended`was fatal harvest I am constantly reading on the subject it is part and parcel of being a stweart of the earth.