I have grown up with a lot of misconceptions about the world, one has been this this thing about milk, my life has been free from milk for 6 years now and its great. I got this from a comrad and i do think its something that should be thought about critically. its implications are far reaching:
"I think that we (black people) should reexamine what we feed our youth
especially since its is a known fact (especially amongst the medical industry) that dairy products (milk, cheese, ice cream, etc.) leads to dis-eases that plagues us such as asthma, sinus problems, etc."



Got milk? You've got problems
By Karen Dawn, KAREN DAWN runs the animal advocacy media watch DawnWatch.com and is a contributor to "In Defense of Animals: The Second Wave" (Blackwell Publishing, 2005).


DAIRY COWS have overtaken automobiles as the No. 1 air polluter in parts of California,
according to a Los Angeles Times article. A New York Times editorial discussed
"the eye-stinging, nose-burning smell of cattle congestion in rural California," acknowledging that something had to be done. What nobody wants to say, in this land of milk and cookies, is that we shouldn't be drinking cow's milk.

In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin Spock made it clear that
cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human children. He wrote that it was "too rich in the
saturated fats that cause artery blockages" and that it "slows down iron absorption." He
suggested that it may cause ear and/or respiratory problems, and may be linked to
childhood onset diabetes. He stressed that infants should drink only human breast
milk and older children should try soy and rice milk products.

But the dairy industry would rather you didn't know that. As it spends millions of dollars
telling us that milk consumption will help us lose weight, it would rather we didn't see a
study published in the June issue of the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine.
The study found that children who drink more than three servings of milk daily are prone
to becoming overweight, even if it is low-fat milk. Neither does the industry advertise
the Harvard School of Public Health finding that 15% of whites, 70% of African Americans
and 90% of Asians are lactose intolerant.

The dairy industry prefers to scare us with tales of brittle bones, hoping we don't notice
studies showing that people in Asia, who consume almost no dairy products, have a
significantly lower rate of hip fractures than people in "got milk?" America. Consistent with
those results is Harvard University's 1997 Nurses Health Study, which followed 78,000
women over a 12-year period and found that those who consumed the most dairy foods
broke the most bones.

And a study published just this month in the International Journal of Cancer found a 13%
increase in ovarian cancer risk in women who increased their lactose intake in amounts
equivalent to one glass of milk per day.

Men don't need milk either. A Harvard study published in 1998 linked high calcium
consumption to prostate cancer, and in this week's news, we learned that Dean Ornish's
low-fat, vegan diet (no dairy) may block the progression of that disease. While touting its
products as a fundamental part of a healthy diet, the dairy industry won't rush to tell us that
Scott Jurek, who just won the Western States 100-mile run — for the seventh time in a row —
is vegan.

Now, we learn that the dairy industry may also be harming our children by polluting the air.
The Times article quoted an attorney for the Center on Race, Poverty & the Environment,
who said that in Fresno, in the center of the nation's dairy industry, one in six children carries
an inhaler to school.

Instead of protecting us, the government aligns itself with the dairy lobby. The California
Milk Advisory Board, a government agency, playfully took advantage of society's
increasing concern for animal welfare with its phenomenally successful "happy cows"
campaign, which shows extended bovine families grazing in meadows.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals sued the board for false advertising, arguing
that most California dairy cows live miserable lives on overcrowded dirt lots. They are
artificially inseminated annually, because they don't produce milk without pregnancies,
and are pumped full of hormones so that they will give 10 times as much milk as they
would naturally. Their calves are carted off to veal crates. Then at about age 5, the "happy"
cows are turned into hamburgers. PETA's suit failed — on the grounds that government
bodies are exempt from fair advertising laws. Government is free to say whatever it wants
about the conditions in which cows live, or about the "health benefits" of milk.

Unfortunately, the government is unlikely to start running ads suggesting we follow Asia's
lead and switch to tofu, or even kale, though both have more calcium per cup than cow's
milk. But for your health, the environment, the animals, and for those kids in Fresno carrying
inhalers, why not change your next Starbucks low-fat latte order to soy?

These are some very heavy implication,with the rise in diabetes rates in the country and the increase in cancer rates this is something that a functional ministry of health would look into, and for a national plan. there are numerous studies conducted that find good nutrional habits and life style changes lead to longer healthier lives, and if people are being healthier may be wont be so up in arms because we have to treat a few political and ecconomic guest in the country from time to time:
In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin Spock made it clear that
cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human children. He wrote that it was "too rich in the
saturated fats that cause artery blockages" and that it "slows down iron absorption." He
suggested that it may cause ear and/or respiratory problems, and may be linked to
childhood onset diabetes. He stressed that infants should drink only human breast
milk and older children should try soy and rice milk products.

it would seem to me that with the increase in the cost of health care the government would look into the most basic of all things the safe guarding of the nations food, a wish i guess

It always surprises me that a Primate (us) would feed their offspring the milk of a Ruminant - particularly when the female Primate can "set a place" for two!!

well i dont agree with you fully
i really love drinking flavored milk always thinking how beneficila it is to the body
it really makes me fresh and makes me strong
everyday in the morning after brushing i drink milk regularly

Milk is good for you... in most peoples cases they have a food allergy to it.. and if u feel better after not drinking it then thats probably it

... In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin Spock made it clear that
cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human children. ... He stressed that infants should drink only human breast
milk and older children should try soy and rice milk products.

Yeah - a lot of what I've read agrees with what you've said. Added to which, about 50% of people of African descent are lactose intolerant and therefore can't digest milk properly anyway. Makes sense what you say, if you think about it: milk is the food to sustain babies - babies have specific metabolisms to digest milk as this is the only nutrient they ingest for the first 6 months or so of their lives. Again as you say, cow's milk is for calves not humans and as such will have specific properties to promote development of cow characteristics like horns. Maybe that's what got us so hard-headed now!

Yeah - a lot of what I've read agrees with what you've said. Added to which, about 50% of people of African descent are lactose intolerant and therefore can't digest milk properly anyway. Makes sense what you say, if you think about it: milk is the food to sustain babies - babies have specific metabolisms to digest milk as this is the only nutrient they ingest for the first 6 months or so of their lives. Again as you say, cow's milk is for calves not humans and as such will have specific properties to promote development of cow characteristics like horns. Maybe that's what got us so hard-headed now!


To the Seventh Generation, the Ancestors members of Bahamas issues, Flipmode Squad, my Granola bar crunching dirt worshiping tree hugging hippie comrades, I greet you in the principle of MAAT.

My intent in the creation of this tread was to explore and create a new paradigm for health. One of my long standing criticism of the government and by extension we as a people is that we did not have, and for the most part still do not have any concept of what a nation is. Thus I created the thread theory and praxis of national culture to address the issue of a national culture one of the key elements missing in the nation state. Hence these two threads are like long and short swords used by Samaria they complement each other in the process of greater understanding.

With that said I will get back to work, in this discussion I am going to be looking at the book, Basic Macrobiotics by Herman Aihara page 24:

“Macrobiotic thinking agrees with this opinion that food transforms to body cells. Ohsawa said that one-tenth of the body’s blood cells die every day. Therefore, in about ten days the blood is totally renewed. From this thought came the idea for the ten-day rice diet. Furthermore, Oshawa said that body cells, which have an average life span of seven year, are continually dying and being replaced. Therefore, if a person changes one’s diet, she or he will be able to change the quality of all of the bodies cells in about in about seven years.

The macrobiotic view is that food first changes to red blood cells, which then transforms into body cells. Thus, the basic cause of sickness is a weak blood condition caused by eating poor quality foods. Sickness develops in a specific order; from food to blood to cells. There are seven main stages of sickness.

The first stage of sickness is fatigue which is the result of overeating, eating too much sugary food, and a lack of orderliness in one’s living conditions.

The second stage of sickness is pain. Pain is result of poor blood circulations which prevents the body cells from getting enough oxygen, often because of broken and blocked capillaries. One of the most direct indications of this is chest pains, which occurs when coronary heart capillaries are blocked by fat and the blood cannot reach the heart tissues cells in adequate supply. Whenever cells do not get enough oxygen, one feels pain.

The third stage of sickness is infectious disease. This is the result of a yin-quality fluid due to the overeating of sugar, honey, sweetener, fruits, spices, alcohol, drugs, refined foods, and processed foods. Herpes and AIDS are advanced examples of this stage of sickness. Body cells are surrounded by intercellular fluids that are very much like ocean water. This body fluid should always be alkaline and a little bit salty, like ocean water. If this fluid is sweet (yin), cells will start to decay because of bacterial growth. This is a simplified explanation of what infectious disease is.

The fourth stage of sickness is weakness of the autonomic nervous system, which controls hormone secretion and organic functions. This is caused by a progressive worsening of the first three stages. Continuing to eat sugary foods, animal foods and fatty foods cause the body fluid t o become more acidic, slowing down nerve cell function and then hormone secretion. Thus, thyroid gland trouble, pancreas (insulin secretion) trouble and kidney/adrenal cortex (cortical hormone secretion) trouble begins. When hormonal secretion is abnormal, the work of all organs is disrupted. This condition can also be caused by accidents that deform the spine, inhibiting the nerve impulses to the organs.

The fifth stage of sickness is disease of the cells or organs-cancer. Ones blood must be alkaline, normally about ph 7.4. This stage is accurately maintained by the normal function of the organs, especially the kidneys, which filter out excess acids. However, when the kidneys become weak the blood starts becoming less alkaline. If the blood reaches a ph 6.9 cells die. However, between pH 6.9 and pH 7.0 the cells, instead of dying, start to change their gene structure so that they can survive in the acidic conditions. In other words, they produce new cells that are adapted to such an environment. This is the start of cancer cells

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The sixth stage of sickness is a psychological one. Anyone who often complains belongs in this group (emotional problems, schizophrenia, neurasthenia, ect). This condition is created by all the physical causes mention above, or by poor family education and up bringing.

The seventh stage of sickness is spiritual. This is the state of mind which has no gratitude, no appreciation, and no faith in the order of the universe. The seventh-stage cycle can be viewed as originating at the seventh (spiritual) stage and then carrying over into the physical stage. Living is a wonderful thing. It is especially a miracle to live in this money-oriented, greed controlled society. Lack of appreciation for life is the very deepest sickness of all.

This is true what a1000 is saying, something I have known a very long time ago. You even have to be careful about Soy Milk now because many brands contain a thickener called carrageenan (a seaweed extract) which, according to Dr Andrew Weil, could be cancer causing.

I think much of the problem with milk and beef stems from greed (or maybe the demand is too great), causing farmers to try to grow the cattle as quickly as possible by feeding them with hormones, other catle meat, and all kinds of food that God did not intend for them to consume, hence cows started contracting mad cow disease and hoof and mouth disease, the former being incurable!

But about 50 or 60 years ago the meat and milk were much healthier than they are today, as cattle was not being fed all the junk as is now the case!

Personally, I try to follow the dietary laws set out in the Bible in Gen 1:29, 3:18. These state that man's food should be strictly plant food: nuts, seeds, fruit, vegetables, etc. Also, Lev chap 11 and Deut chap 14 speak of clean and unclean foods.

Cow milk lovers can cheer up a bit though. A couple years ago it was found that the machine used for milking the cows was a bit harsh on the cow's udder and at times extracted some blood and pus along with the milk. So the good ole US govt got involved and limited the amount of blood and pus that can be allowed in the milk!

So to keep your body healthy its best to stay away from or limit dairy products as much as possible. If the meats are organically grown, maybe they will be free from disease causing agents.

This is true what a1000 is saying, something I have known a very long time ago. You even have to be careful about Soy Milk now because many brands contain a thickener called carrageenan (a seaweed extract) which, according to Dr Andrew Weil, could be cancer causing.
I think much of the problem with milk and beef stems from greed (or maybe the demand is too great), causing farmers to try to grow the cattle as quickly as possible by feeding them with hormones, other catle meat, and all kinds of food that God did not intend for them to consume, hence cows started contracting mad cow disease and hoof and mouth disease, the former being incurable!
But about 50 or 60 years ago the meat and milk were much healthier than they are today, as cattle was not being fed all the junk as is now the case!
Personally, I try to follow the dietary laws set out in the Bible in Gen 1:29, 3:18. These state that man's food should be strictly plant food: nuts, seeds, fruit, vegetables, etc. Also, Lev chap 11 and Deut chap 14 speak of clean and unclean foods.
Cow milk lovers can cheer up a bit though. A couple years ago it was found that the machine used for milking the cows was a bit harsh on the cow's udder and at times extracted some blood and pus along with the milk. So the good ole US govt got involved and limited the amount of blood and pus that can be allowed in the milk!
So to keep your body healthy its best to stay away from or limit dairy products as much as possible. If the meats are organically grown, maybe they will be free from disease causing agents.


Namaste to all.

Great Demos thank you for that note on soy milk can you provide me with more info on it as I am vegan, and I live by the way of soy.

I don’t want to lose sight of the fact that a new model of health is being purpose here; these are the seventh conditions of sickness:

1. Fatigue

2. Pain

3. Infectious Disease

4. Weakness in the Autonomic Nervous system

5. Change in the Blood pH

6. Psychological excessive complaints

7. Spiritual


It is important that we begin the process of creating a new paradigm to look at the issue of health, we cannot follow the west blindly.

Namaste to all.
Great Demos thank you for that note on soy milk can you provide me with more info on it as I am vegan, and I live by the way of soy.
I don’t want to lose sight of the fact that a new model of health is being purpose here; these are the seventh conditions of sickness:
1. Fatigue
2. Pain
3. Infectious Disease
4. Weakness in the Autonomic Nervous system
5. Change in the Blood pH
6. Psychological excessive complaints
7. Spiritual
It is important that we begin the process of creating a new paradigm to look at the issue of health, we cannot follow the west blindly.

Ok, check the link below and you will see the article by Dr Weil where some brands of soy milk have that cancer causing agent carrageenan. Some of the big food stores carry the Silk brand name which is very reasonably priced, which I used for years, but since reading this article and noticing that Silk brand has carrageenan, I stopped using it. I now use Vitasoy brand which is expensive, about $5.00 per quart at most health food stores (Even some Vitasoy brands have Carrageenan). Solomon has a brand called Natura which is pretty good and does not contain carrageenan, but most of the times there are none on the shelves.

I believe Dr Weil is well learned in health products -- he is a medical doctor and he also practises alternative medicine (herbs, vitamins, minerals, etc).

http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA44833/

Ok, check the link below and you will see the article by Dr Weil where some brands of soy milk have that cancer causing agent carrageenan. Some of the big food stores carry the Silk brand name which is very reasonably priced, which I used for years, but since reading this article and noticing that Silk brand has carrageenan, I stopped using it. I now use Vitasoy brand which is expensive, about $5.00 per quart at most health food stores (Even some Vitasoy brands have Carrageenan). Solomon has a brand called Natura which is pretty good and does not contain carrageenan, but most of the times there are none on the shelves.
I believe Dr Weil is well learned in health products -- he is a medical doctor and he also practises alternative medicine (herbs, vitamins, minerals, etc).
http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA44833/



Thanks for the info great Demos.

I feel like a bad parent in regards to this thread, but i have come across some troubling info i will just kick it out:

1 there is a big law suit against the drug maker viox, we as a people need to be hip to the fact that many of these drug companies are not having full disclosure.

2. sodas and benzane levels, which have been link to cancer.

3. retalin and the treat of children for imaginary hyperactivity.

the health of a nation is of vital importance lets safe guard it.:angel:

This is true what a1000 is saying, something I have known a very long time ago. You even have to be careful about Soy Milk now because many brands contain a thickener called carrageenan (a seaweed extract) which, according to Dr Andrew Weil, could be cancer causing.
I think much of the problem with milk and beef stems from greed (or maybe the demand is too great), causing farmers to try to grow the cattle as quickly as possible by feeding them with hormones, other catle meat, and all kinds of food that God did not intend for them to consume, hence cows started contracting mad cow disease and hoof and mouth disease, the former being incurable!
But about 50 or 60 years ago the meat and milk were much healthier than they are today, as cattle was not being fed all the junk as is now the case!
Personally, I try to follow the dietary laws set out in the Bible in Gen 1:29, 3:18. These state that man's food should be strictly plant food: nuts, seeds, fruit, vegetables, etc. Also, Lev chap 11 and Deut chap 14 speak of clean and unclean foods.
Cow milk lovers can cheer up a bit though. A couple years ago it was found that the machine used for milking the cows was a bit harsh on the cow's udder and at times extracted some blood and pus along with the milk. So the good ole US govt got involved and limited the amount of blood and pus that can be allowed in the milk!
So to keep your body healthy its best to stay away from or limit dairy products as much as possible. If the meats are organically grown, maybe they will be free from disease causing agents.

Soy milk and soy products in general are laced with aluminum oxide"from the very multi stepped processing of soy,so it may be digested by humans"and plant based estrogen hormones.Soy is one of the most processed of foods there is.
Cow's milk in the States is one of the most monitored food staples there is,I have seen entire tanker loads dumped down the sewre because there was a trace of antibiotic in the load,it is taken very seriously,every load is tested.

I am not condoning the drinking of it,as I find it to be a natural mucous producer,that can cause congestion and something I try to avoid.

I am curious of the statement that most black folks are lactose intolerant.It has been my experience through research that some people with food allergies are such because of little or no exposure to that food as an infant:therefore never developing a tolerance for that food.

Very curious indeed as the Massai peolpe live entirely on cow's milk mixed with cow's blood,as well as some beef now and then.

Soy milk and soy products in general are laced with aluminum oxide"from the very multi stepped processing of soy,so it may be digested by humans"and plant based estrogen hormones.Soy is one of the most processed of foods there is.
Cow's milk in the States is one of the most monitored food staples there is,I have seen entire tanker loads dumped down the sewre because there was a trace of antibiotic in the load,it is taken very seriously,every load is tested.
I am not condoning the drinking of it,as I find it to be a natural mucous producer,that can cause congestion and something I try to avoid.
I am curious of the statement that most black folks are lactose intolerant.It has been my experience through research that some people with food allergies are such because of little or no exposure to that food as an infant:therefore never developing a tolerance for that food.
Very curious indeed as the Massai peolpe live entirely on cow's milk mixed with cow's blood,as well as some beef now and then.



Biggy thanks for the response. :bouncy:

i am familiar with the Massai people diet, but remember this is a small portion of the african population. I personally have not done the research but i will put it on my to do list, until then however why dont you shead more light on the subject?

I must however disagree with you on milk production i would refer you to the book fatal harvest, i do believe from interacting with you that you are between the bahamas and the usa, thus you may be familiar with the tremendous amounts of hormones, vacinationas and medicines that are used in the animal farming practice, i would also refer you to the film the cooporation.
In terms of soy and as a vegan, what are you exactly saying about soy please clarify?

Biggy thanks for the response. :bouncy:
i am familiar with the Massai people diet, but remember this is a small portion of the african population. I personally have not done the research but i will put it on my to do list, until then however why dont you shead more light on the subject?
I must however disagree with you on milk production i would refer you to the book fatal harvest, i do believe from interacting with you that you are between the bahamas and the usa, thus you may be familiar with the tremendous amounts of hormones, vacinationas and medicines that are used in the animal farming practice, i would also refer you to the film the cooporation.
In terms of soy and as a vegan, what are you exactly saying about soy please clarify?

I recently had this conversation concerning both cow's milk,soy milk and mother's milk with my daughter in law.

At toddler age:Pop,I'm not feeding Giana cow's milk or beef because cows are medicated and strontium 90 has been detected in milk.
Response:Honey,strontium 90 is present in our bodies and nearly every thing on earth is contaminated with it to a small degree.Your body and your breast milk is probably more contaminated with medications,especially considering you are 36 and a dairy cow lives to be maybe 8 years and a beef cow 2 years.To say nothing of the chance Giana will be allergic to dairy products concerning your decision.Guess what the kid is 6 now and totally lactose intolerant.I am, not suggesting breast milk is bad, but all rash statements deserve close examination from all perspectives.
How do I know about US milk standards?I have been in the trucking business"among others" for 35 years.I drove trailer trucks myself for 28 of those.We have transported milk in tankers,collecting it from farm to farm,then to the consignee.Every load is screened for the presence of medication.On more than one occassion I have seen 6000 gallons of milk go down the drain because a cow on medication wasn't secured and walked itself to the milking parlour,got milked and contaminated a whole load.It is taken very seriously.
More on Soy later- one of my excavators just threw a track and I need to go to work....:sailing: