The point of the matter is that it is utter propaganda which underhandly attempts to add another twisted spoke in the wheel of getting this immigration situation under control. The writer is obviously biased and is unfairly comparing two separate cultures - one which works so hard due to their "escape from hardship" and the other which has grown accustomed to "first world living". You cannot compare those two categories of people since their motivational factors are entirely different - It's "basic survival" versus "living the fat and easy life".

An example that proves that hardship is directly connected to their work ethic is the instance of those children of Haitian immigrants who prefer to sit down on the blocks all day. What of them? They grew up in the "Bahamian lifestyle" and prefer to sit around and do nothing, just like some raw-born Bahamians. Thus, it is fair to say that we have lazy Haitians and lazy Bahamians, just like we have hard-working Bahamians and hard-working Haitians. To say that one works harder than the other or has a better family life is NOT an equal comparison in any way and it is a highly deceptive means of excusing their continued illegal presence. Point Blank.

You never have anything good to say about the Bahamas anyway, so why am I not surprised that you agree with the writer. Please, don't you start speaking about things you obviously have NO clue about.


i am fully aware of why people have different work ethics and yes you are right about why haitians tend to have a goood work ethic. i think you are just jealous that they do and is finding excuses to keep them down. how is acknowleging that haitians have good work ethic propaganda? if you believe so then that lousy exuce you are spewing is propaganda as well.

i wont even get into your assine last statement. i dont have ANYTHING good to say about the bahamas. what a mass. lastly i will not engage in a coversation with you to which YOU OVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, this is why i did not want to pose that question to you but i had to becuase it was such a low level style of thinking. i have already been down that road with you and as i recall you conceded

Hey Yorrick let me relate a story to y'all told to me by an ol white farmer.He said in hindsight he feels partially responsible for the mess we are in,because 25 years ago he hired & got papers for a Haitian who then brought in his wife & proceeded to have TEN CHILDREN,who went on to do the same :biggie: You do the math, say if we had 100 Bahamians who did this in the early 70's & that's not even counting illegals.


i fail to see your point. a haitian that LEGALLY migrated to the bahamas can have as many children as they want and those children are now bahamian, who will procede to have as many BAHAMIAN childred as they see fit. please keeep in mind this is the same way you got to the bahamas. at some point someone in your family immigrated, possibly illegally.

BOY HOW QUICKLY WE FORGET.

Guys I believe it is just a school or college essay, so no need to treat it like a news paper headline ... its his opinion and he is entitled to it ... and im not saying I do or dont agree with it, but juss sayin. You'd think king ping wrote the essay or it was going to the UN for approval ..H ah haahah

Im one lazy arse anyway so what do I's know :shaky:
once i get my PC, code, and some oreos Im good to go ..!


i didnt say anything about it but i too was surprise how yorrik picked apart the essay. well i guess the writer did ask for an opinion.

i think you are just jealous that they do and is finding excuses to keep them down. how is acknowleging that haitians have good work ethic propaganda? if you believe so then that lousy exuce you are spewing is propaganda as well.
i wont even get into your assine last statement. i dont have ANYTHING good to say about the bahamas. what a mass. lastly i will not engage in a coversation with you to which YOU OVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, this is why i did not want to pose that question to you but i had to becuase it was such a low level style of thinking. i have already been down that road with you and as i recall you conceded

Y'all see why I dont speak with this guy.

He doesn't see how the writer's comparison of the two worlds was completely unfair and is only one more tool that is used on a continuous basis to make Bahamians think that they are the "lazy" ones. Some Bahamians have actually bought into that comparison and have started believing it. When the psyche of a country is attacked on such a level, it must be protected.

Where are you Boy? In the US. Stay there. And keep your opinion of a country that you don't claim ownership of or even live in to yourself. You definitely are not helping things. This is a serious situation. I make sure that I stay aware of the facts and I present them accordingly.

Actually! I really did not compare haitians and bahamians. If you took a second, put aside your preconcieved notions and numerous assumptions you would see this. I did say that i was focusing on the positive. I dont know whether it is a superiority or inferiority complex, but you need to get that in check.
In reply to your previous comments. It really doesnt matter why or where you got certain positive qualities. The fact is you have them, period.

Haitians offer a variety of positive qualities that we Bahamians can utilize and learn from; such as their work ethic, will to survive and fight for what they want, close family units and their economic contributions.

Aside from their strong work ethic, we Bahamians would do well to adopt their will to survive and fight for what they want.

Bahamian men could be more supportive of their families like the Haitians.

From an economic perspective the Haitian people have contributed to the Bahamas by means of their services. Haitians hold many of the menial, low wage jobs that Bahamians shy away from.

On a construction site for a residential home, there may be about 5-10 Bahamians involved in the process with maybe two thirds Haitian or of Haitian descent. The contractor, plumber electrician and so on may be Bahamian. But all the lifting of blocks, mixing of cement, shoveling of dirt and “heavy lifting” are done by Haitians for low wages.

For instance, the self employed Bahamian man who maintains my yard, has three Haitian men working under him, equipped with machetes, leaf blowers, hedge trimmers and any imaginable tool needed to clean a yard. All together it takes about one hour for them to weed, cut the grass as well as trim the hedges, all for the low price of $50. Aside from the low price, what is noteworthy is the proprietor’s role in all this. He occasionally picks up one of the tools to work for a while. But usually after directing his employees, he either sits in the truck and waits for them to finish the work, or lounges in our swing. It makes you wonder exactly how much of the fifty dollars the workers actually receive. When you say low wages you may think low quality work, but this is anything but the truth. Haitians are highly skilled and proficient in their specific fields of expertise. In fact, in painting, shaping hedges and the like, they should be referred to as nothing less than artisan’s.

We as Bahamians can learn a great deal from their devotion to hard work, resilience, tight knit family groups, enterprising attitudes, and a multitude of other positive qualities.

Hold on a second. Read your own words and tell me again that you are not comparing Haitians and Bahamians. I've highlighted the major points that I'm referring to. By saying that X would do well to adopt the behaviours of Y, you are automatically making a comparison and suggesting that one side is "better" than the other.

Read your own words and tell me that you are not "fluffing up" one side versus the other. "Bahamians would do well do adopt their (Haitians) will to survive"/"Bahamian men could be more supportive of their families like the Haitians." You cannot instill a will to survive in someone if they are not dying of anything. You cannot instill a stronger family value in someone until they know the value of being together through hardship. Do you see what I am telling you? Can you put aside your protectionism of those words and see how biased they really are? It is amazing that you do not see how your comparison is really jaded and one-sided. Of course people who are dying will fight to survive - People who are living a significantly better life will not take certain opportunities because they do not have to take them out of necessity, they will take them out of choice. This does not automatically make one side more worthy of emulation as you suggest.

Read your own words and tell me what is their purpose besides adding fuel to the fire that perhaps we should "let these people stay" or perhaps we should "emulate these people" (in other words, putting them on a pedestal). You may not say it outright, but there is an implication therein. Usually in situations such as this, the next train of thought is, "Well ya know, they do some good, so perhaps we shouldn't be so hard on them and send them back. We need em."

This was my point from the break. Take it as you see it.

It really doesnt matter why or where you got certain positive qualities. The fact is you have them, period.
You are incorrect. Yes, it does matter.

As I pointed out earlier, some of those who were born here by Haitian parents have the same mentality as some Bahamians. They grew up in this society with choices and were not inspired by "necessity" to work hard and keep their families together (like those who risk coming to these shores in those death-traps they call boats). An experience like that can never be forgotten, so of course those who have gone through taking that risk are going to put their shoulders to the wheel and do anything to make their lives better. What about those of Haitian descent who aren't hardworking or respectful of their family lives. What of them eh?

You cannot take the experiences that some have gone through in Haiti (and in attempting to get here) and try to transplant that motivation to survive and thrive onto some Bahamians. There is a huge disconnect socially and psychologically, for we have been a stable democratic society for some time. The Haitians directly "off the boat" (so to speak) have a different hierarchy of needs than the typical Bahamian. Their children may even be inspired with the same motivation, but look at how quickly that "work ethic" breaks down in the third and fourth generations who have grown up with choices, not desperation.

To note as well, the generalizations that you made imply that Bahamians do not work hard or take care of their families. This is an insult to the many hardworking Bahamian families out there. Your "suggestions" show your hidden contempt for Bahamian society on the whole and I would dare to think that you are one of those persons who do not have faith in your own - IF you actually claim Bahamians as your own people, that is.

i fail to see your point. a haitian that LEGALLY migrated to the bahamas can have as many children as they want and those children are now bahamian, who will procede to have as many BAHAMIAN childred as they see fit. please keeep in mind this is the same way you got to the bahamas. at some point someone in your family immigrated, possibly illegally.
BOY HOW QUICKLY WE FORGET.
HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Thanks for reminding me to deal with this instance of Bahamian "history twisting" by the Jamaican over there in the US. I had totally let that one slide.

Now if a person has legally migrated and become a full Bahamian, yes those children are eligible for citizenship. However, in the case of an illegal immigrant having children here in the Bahamas, that child can only apply for citizenship at the age of eighteen. Which, if the law is followed according to our current books, means that the child has no right to this country until the age of eighteen and they can be deported along with their illegal parents back to Haiti.

While those points must be noted, we in The Bahamas have reached a point where far too many illegal immigrants are coming to our shores from the south and simply getting permits through those who have infiltrated and become a part of our governmental system. Many of these persons do not care about the stability of this nation and are undermining the very procedures that they have been hired to protect. I have heard that because of the corruption, certain processes have been changed in ways that the Minister himself has to sign off on certain permits/renewals. This suggests corruption from the highest offices down.

Let's be real here. They have the right to have as many children as they want to, but obviously this is not a scenario that any government with sense would want occurring within their borders. No other immigrant group, Greeks, Chinese, American, African, Jamaican, etc. has come into this society and cost this nation so much - everyone else pulls their own weight like they are supposed to. A moratorium on visas for Haitian immigrants needs to be established and only renewals processed. The initial cry will be that of discrimination, but we are facing a cultural backlash at this moment that will only grow stronger as more immigrant children are born and the gaping loophole in our immigration laws is exploited. Immigration policy is meant to protect the sovereignty of a nation. It should not be so weak that it openly allows exploitation by a desperate population of millions. We follow the US in everything else - It is time to adopt a similar no-nonsense stance on illegal immigration.

ohhhhhhh. did the jamaican in the us pushin for success with an american accent and bahamian ties hit a nerve with u. u will b just all right.

P.S- It would be very nice if you could post an essay on the subject.

Thanks for reminding me to deal with this instance of Bahamian "history twisting" by the Jamaican over there in the US. I had totally let that one slide.

Now if a person has legally migrated and become a full Bahamian, yes those children are eligible for citizenship. However, in the case of an illegal immigrant having children here in the Bahamas, that child can only apply for citizenship at the age of eighteen. Which, if the law is followed according to our current books, means that the child has no right to this country until the age of eighteen and they can be deported along with their illegal parents back to Haiti.

While those points must be noted, we in The Bahamas have reached a point where far too many illegal immigrants are coming to our shores from the south and simply getting permits through those who have infiltrated and become a part of our governmental system. Many of these persons do not care about the stability of this nation and are undermining the very procedures that they have been hired to protect. I have heard that because of the corruption, certain processes have been changed in ways that the Minister himself has to sign off on certain permits/renewals. This suggests corruption from the highest offices down.

Let's be real here. They have the right to have as many children as they want to, but obviously this is not a scenario that any government with sense would want occurring within their borders. No other immigrant group, Greeks, Chinese, American, African, Jamaican, etc. has come into this society and cost this nation so much - everyone else pulls their own weight like they are supposed to. A moratorium on visas for Haitian immigrants needs to be established and only renewals processed. The initial cry will be that of discrimination, but we are facing a cultural backlash at this moment that will only grow stronger as more immigrant children are born and the gaping loophole in our immigration laws is exploited. Immigration policy is meant to protect the sovereignty of a nation. It should not be so weak that it openly allows exploitation by a desperate population of millions. We follow the US in everything else - It is time to adopt a similar no-nonsense stance on illegal immigration.


My post 25 was going to be my last responce to you on this issue but then I read this and had to clarify and get things straight, especially since u tryin to insult folks.

Lets recap Marical said:

Hey Yorrick let me relate a story to y'all told to me by an ol white farmer.He said in hindsight he feels partially responsible for the mess we are in,because 25 years ago he hired & got papers for a Haitian who then brought in his wife & proceeded to have TEN CHILDREN,who went on to do the same You do the math, say if we had 100 Bahamians who did this in the early 70's & that's not even counting illegals.

I was responding to this statement and its irelavance becuase the group of haitians being reffered to came here LEGALLY and therefore they can hatch up as much pickney (hows that for jamaican 4 ya) as they see fit. so i really fail to see where u goin with this.

Still "pushing" for success? Such a shame.

Been there done that. Lived in the US for seven years AND came back home to share my talents, but yet my business in the US is still going strong.

Silly boy.

Still "pushing" for success? Such a shame.
Been there done that. Lived in the US for seven years AND came back home to share my talents, but yet my business in the US is still going strong.
Silly boy.


yeah c i have this silly theory that one should never stop pushing for success but based on what u said on here u seem to think there is a stopping point and then one can become lazy and lax .

P.S.- Business in the USA my mass :shaky:

Yalll been up all night like me working, or just getting up real early???

Neither, just messing with the foreigners who claim they know about The Bahamas and Bahamians.

Apparently some people believe that Bahamian's are lazy and lax, when they are the ones who go running off to the US, never to return to their homeland.

And obviously, they don't have a clue about who they are talking to. Alas, let them bask in their ignorance.