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Rory
10-15-05, - 12:11 AM
Did anyone else here about this? I just happened to be there last night when it took place. It was ladies night so the club was packed shoulder to shoulder, and they were playing reggae straight through. Only frisking at the door, no metal detectors, and full of gangs. There was fight after fight leading up to the incident, and the security just kept literally throwing people out of the club. It was a dangerous place to be, as obviously the security did not have the place under control, there were just too many people there.

I cant believe waterloo didnt learn its lesson from the early 90's when they played reggae for a while, then stopped playing reggae all together due to all the fights and problems they were having.

Basically reggae in nassau attracks the gangs and violent charactors who only go there to look tough and fight each other. They never had any major issues inside the club before though, always outside. Poor kid, only 19, to think the criminal will probably never get caught, and if he is, will more than likely get off like the one from that coctails stabbing.

A camera system would have helped in identification, but ofcourse they never went with the quote I provided a year ago! But still it was down to the flaw in security at the door, and that the club was overcrowded with alot of violent charactors.

Another club that atracks similar charators, Cocktails & Dreams, uses hand held metal detectors on each person entering the club, and is in the middle of looking at a walk through metal detector. Also they have a full camera system with digital recording and remote video, which covers indoors and outdoors. Their security definately has more control of the crowd also, ofcourse most people goto Cocktails to dance though, not fight. They've definately had their issues in the past, but have since then learned from them and is doing a very good job now at preventing violent activity.

casualobserver
10-15-05, - 08:01 AM
Did anyone else here about this? I just happened to be there last night when it took place. It was ladies night so the club was packed shoulder to shoulder, and they were playing reggae straight through. Only frisking at the door, no metal detectors, and full of gangs. There was fight after fight leading up to the incident, and the security just kept literally throwing people out of the club. It was a dangerous place to be, as obviously the security did not have the place under control, there were just too many people there.

I cant believe waterloo didnt learn its lesson from the early 90's when they played reggae for a while, then stopped playing reggae all together due to all the fights and problems they were having.

Basically reggae in nassau attracks the gangs and violent charactors who only go there to look tough and fight each other. They never had any major issues inside the club before though, always outside. Poor kid, only 19, to think the criminal will probably never get caught, and if he is, will more than likely get off like the one from that coctails stabbing.

A camera system would have helped in identification, but ofcourse they never went with the quote I provided a year ago! But still it was down to the flaw in security at the door, and that the club was overcrowded with alot of violent charactors.

Another club that atracks similar charators, Cocktails & Dreams, uses hand held metal detectors on each person entering the club, and is in the middle of looking at a walk through metal detector. Also they have a full camera system with digital recording and remote video, which covers indoors and outdoors. Their security definately has more control of the crowd also, ofcourse most people goto Cocktails to dance though, not fight. They've definately had their issues in the past, but have since then learned from them and is doing a very good job now at preventing violent activity.


You can pick airport quality walk through metal detectors for less than $3,500 in the US. It's cheap insurance, for sure.

Rory
10-15-05, - 08:04 AM
You can pick airport quality walk through metal detectors for less than $3,500 in the US. It's cheap insurance, for sure.


Thats what Cocktails is getting now as we speak. Not sure what Waterloo is going to do at this time.

Great Demos
10-15-05, - 06:25 PM
The murder rate is way too high in the Bahamas. I just hope and pray we soon get a handle on it -- its just mind boggling to see that we would allow ourselves to do these dreadful deeds!

Just last night on the news it was announced that our murder rate per capita is higher than the US!!! :what: I think it has been so for some time! Sometimes I just hate to think about it!

RockWell
10-15-05, - 07:33 PM
Sad thing is it's reported that he was (jooked up) over a (stitchie) Ginuess. :(

pharoah
10-15-05, - 09:23 PM
It is indeed a sad state of affair in the bahamas, where every confrontation seems to end in violence and in many cases - death. My heart goes out to the family of this young man, who, really was just a child! It is upon each and everyone of us to foster peace and love in our neighbor hoods. The concept and biblical doctrine of our 'Brothers keepers' must be taught and instilled in our young men. It is only when we come to the realization that the bahamas as a nation can only go as far as its weakest link, will we see the need to pay more attention to these young men, who are looking for love and attention. So we must reach out to these young men and let them know that we love them and wish the best that life have to offer.Many young men join gangs out of a sense of belonging and appreciation;a condition many of them don't have at home and in the wider society.

bahmaboy
10-16-05, - 05:32 AM
Rory u really know how to peddle ur cams

Rory
10-16-05, - 05:33 AM
Rory u really know how to peddle ur cams


y'aint seen noting yet :cheers:

but for real I feel pain for the kid and his family ..its just sad and the crap has gotta stop sometime .. its a young life ended, and if what marichal said is true, over a beer ..just friggun sad .. i just get real peed off too when places like that dont spend the money on proper security .. when they are making the money to do so. And BTW a friend of mine part owns Cocktails .. i tell them like it is.

YorickBrown
10-16-05, - 05:41 PM
The thing is that these boys don't know how to hold their liquor. You give them a couple servings of liquid courage and they ready to go fight in Iraq.

I've always said that if I ever opened a club, I'd have what they call "open fight night". Start throwing blows in my club and I wouldnt kick ya out - A stage would come down from the ceiling with ringropes, my bouncers would put some boxing gloves on ya and I'd pit you and ya boys against my bouncer staff - one by one.

I'd even implement a betting system, but not for money. If you can knockdown one of my staff, I'd give ya a job and you get free drinks for the rest of the night, along with anyone else in the club who bet on ya.

Then again, that's probably why I'm not a club owner. :shaky:

Rory
10-16-05, - 05:55 PM
The thing is that these boys don't know how to hold their liquor. You give them a couple servings of liquid courage and they ready to go fight in Iraq.
I've always said that if I ever opened a club, I'd have what they call "open fight night". Start throwing blows in my club and I wouldnt kick ya out - A stage would come down from the ceiling with ringropes, my bouncers would put some boxing gloves on ya and I'd pit you and ya boys against my bouncer staff - one by one.
I'd even implement a betting system, but not for money. If you can knockdown one of my staff, I'd give ya a job and you get free drinks for the rest of the night, along with anyone else in the club who bet on ya.
Then again, that's probably why I'm not a club owner. :shaky:


:shaky: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

chancellor
10-17-05, - 12:28 AM
If liquor is really the problem, then does anyone think the age limit should be moved up from 18? I dont even know if that even makes a difference because I've had classmates from high school who were probable alcoholics form 9th and 10th grade. If anyone was to go to any bar, I believe as long as they "look" an age they get what they want. Some of these people can't control natural temper, and we are giving them drinks?

Rory
10-17-05, - 12:32 AM
well there is more to it than that, for starters the clubs could stop playing the violent reggae, they did that in the early 90's, as well as they prevented playing reggae in public, and violence in clubs stopped drastically, until they started it all up again.

That wont stop the mentality, but its a start for the clubs, ofcourse they will loose business then. But if thats the case, then it gets down to the fact that the youth here like to listen to violent music about killing other people ..

CrossTO
10-17-05, - 04:49 PM
I shamefully must admit I was at Waterloo that night. But unlike most people on this forum, I am not Bahamian. I am from Toronto so I might be able to give an outside opinion on how I saw that terrible situation unfold that night.
I didn’t see the actual act, but I did see the fight break out and a lot of guys were involved. Then moments later after everyone assumed the fight was done, a man (or shall I say boy) remained laying in the corner of the club. Aside from the actual stabbing/fight and the presence of “gang members” in the club, which by the way is not only a problem in Bahamas as it is in many cities (Toronto for one) and countries across the globe. The worst thing about the situation was the reaction of the people, the security, the owners, and the police. It was disgusting to see how people surrounded this man and watched him lay in his blood for about 5-10 minutes until they were told to back off by the passive security. How nonchalant everyone’s reaction was to a bleeding body lying at the exact spot they were just previously dancing in. How a young girl (probably his girlfriend) was crying her eyes out with nobody to help her. How the security and owners did not make their presence felt in a club that was just itching to get out of control. How the police/paramedics just strolled into the club and turned this man over to show all the rest of the people in the club (me included) this man’s stab wounds. How people hung out outside the club to see more drama instead of worrying about retaliation by more serious means like a gunshot.
Sorry if this sounded like a venting but I just didn’t understand it. It’s like everyone was just so amused of the drama they just witnessed and could not care that a man was possibly dead over something stupid like a beer or a woman.
Its not a Bahamian thing, its not the reggae music thing, its not the set legal drinking age….…its called lack of self dignity and respect.

Rory
10-17-05, - 04:55 PM
trust me, when they dont play reggae, then they dont get that crowd. But if they had control of the club then the violence could have been avoided. Waterloo never used to be a club that attracted gang members, it is only when they play reggae, which seems to be more and more now, hey they have to make money right .. we used to leave that for Cocktails, the Zoo, and others.

by the way i was probably the only conchy joe there .. didnt ya see me? :o
I was looking for tourist chicks though, Guess i missed them that night ..;-)

NotFair
10-18-05, - 12:42 AM
This was really a shocker for me to hear......especially since I had to hear it whiles away in school. I just dont know what to say other than what is nassau coming to? Its gotten to the point where we cant even step out of our homes without having to watch our backs in fear of someone trying to hurt us. What happened to Glen was wrong in all ways possible and I hope that justice is served for all those involved in this sad sad situation. Ladies there is no need for what happened to him and Gents is it really worth killing someone for some random little girl who probably still sucking breast where she so young......now look what happen she is probably going to end up in jail (hopefully) along with all the guys involved and Glen (RIP) is gone,,,, tell me know who is in anyway benifiting? Who are we to take away the life of another human? I am so upset that i dont know what to say......i'm just going crazy inside.:cry: Now there is probably going to be all kinds or rules and stuff for the youngsters to be able to go out and enjoy themselves in a non violent manner which isnt need but thanks to some ppl has to happn. If they shut down our clubs then what are we suppose to do? Its people like that girl (you all know her name by name since the punch had her for chalks) and those guys that make it bad for people....anyway thats my 5cents