View Full Version : National Heroes......Can we name them ALL???
gian_18778 10-15-05, - 12:55 AM This is something that I'm very passionate about as a Bahamian. It has been a complete disservice to this country and its educational system for FAILING to introduce Bahamian History as a legitimate subject in our schools.
The blame game can go on for an eternity on this issue, which it not what I want to get into.....that's water under the bridge. But what I would like to do however, is recognize those men and women who have made paramount contributions to the economic, social, and political development of this country.
Let's see if we can name them all...the WHO'S WHO of our great country!
I'll start.
Sir Lynden Pindling
1st Prime Minister of The Bahamas
One of the Poineers for majority rule, Bahamianization, and Independence
Main character in the Infamous "Black Tuesday"
12play 10-15-05, - 01:26 AM Why are people so into this national heroes thing? There are no saints who ever lived..we can find fault with just about all our historical figures from being serial sweethearters to dope heads to being corrupt. Let the dead bury the dead..let us put them in our books and learn from them, yes, but we need to stop worshiping men because none are good, no not one..amen.
canewry 10-15-05, - 10:03 AM This is something that I'm very passionate about as a Bahamian. It has been a complete disservice to this country and its educational system for FAILING to introduce Bahamian History as a legitimate subject in our schools.
The blame game can go on for an eternity on this issue, which it not what I want to get into.....that's water under the bridge. But what I would like to do however, is recognize those men and women who have made paramount contributions to the economic, social, and political development of this country.
Let's see if we can name them all...the WHO'S WHO of our great country!
I'll start.
Sir Lynden Pindling
1st Prime Minister of The Bahamas
One of the Poineers for majority rule, Bahamianization, and Independence
Main character in the Infamous "Black Tuesday"
See the problems starts right there...
For some reason...Bahamian history bar is being moved continously...
One time our history started with Columbus...
then it started with the Arawaks...
then we went back to Africa...
Then we became mordern...
Went to Harry Oakes,
Sir Stafford Stands
and the former King of England...
Then Independence happened...
Then all previous histories were erased...
and our history started from 1967 to 1973 and thereabouts...
Apparently, the power that be is suggesting that the Bahamas had no history before then. Until we address that the Bahamas existed before 1967, and address that white Bahamians played apart in our history, until we address that Haitians, Jamaicans and America played apart in our history, we shall never know who are Bahamian heros...as we embrace some and reject others...
canewry 10-15-05, - 10:05 AM Why are people so into this national heroes thing? There are no saints who ever lived..we can find fault with just about all our historical figures from being serial sweethearters to dope heads to being corrupt. Let the dead bury the dead..let us put them in our books and learn from them, yes, but we need to stop worshiping men because none are good, no not one..amen.
hmmm
only one heroic serial sweethearter the Bahamas had and his name was M.B..
But he is a hero nonetheless. We just need to include his faults and his great contribution to understand the real man...but you know that ain't ga happen...
canewry 10-15-05, - 10:09 AM Sir Lynden Pindling
1st Prime Minister of The Bahamas
One of the Poineers for majority rule, Bahamianization, and Independence
Main character in the Infamous "Black Tuesday"
Sounds like you have started a black Bahamian history thread...
Sir Roland Symonette
1st Premiere of the Bahamas
Economic Pioneer, and Philantropist, (depending on whose position)
One of the Poineers of shaping the modern Bahamas...
RockWell 10-15-05, - 06:59 PM LAUGH OUT LOUD @ this entire thread!
chancellor 10-15-05, - 08:39 PM I wont celebrate such holiday if we erase some people to put others in place. If Fr. Sabastian can go and declare such a holiday and celebrate his own make believe, then i will continue to celebrate my Discovery Day. Its makes the beginning of our colonial history whether we want to akcnowledge it or not. It is too significant for this side of the world to throw away. Nobody said we should not forget any atrocites Columbus made, but the day itself signify such a transition is historic recordings. Knowing ourselves.....no.....appriciating ourselves, both african and european backgrounds and culture includes knowing everything and acknowledging the legacies of all of our contributors, from the prehistoric Bahamas, colonial Bahamas, to our present Independent Nation and Monarchy. How does replacing a day service this? This does not recognize anything, as we are place our country in chronic Alzhimer's.
RockWell 10-15-05, - 11:01 PM Why dn't y'all ask an American this same question.:bored:
canewry 10-15-05, - 11:52 PM Why dn't y'all ask an American this same question.:bored:
The Americans celebrates Columbus Day, even though Columbus never actually landed on the continent....
islandgyal 10-16-05, - 02:53 AM Why don't we ever celebrate Arawak Day or Taino Day or Lucaya Day? (Outside of a hotel atmosphere, thank you:cheers: .) How about celebrating ALL of our various cultures?
Greek Orthodox
African
Caribbean
Scottish
English
Bahamian
Christian
Muslim
Rastafari
... instead of Guy Fawkes Day, let's rename 5 November BAHAMA DAY!
yeah Guy Fawkes day is a depressing thing anyway, i mean didnt they kill the guy??
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In 1605, thirteen young men planned to blow up the Houses of Parliament. Among them was Guy Fawkes, Britain's most notorious traitor.
Robert Catesby was the charismatic leader of the group of conspirators. He had a way with people, and convinced a number of his impressionable friends to go along with the murderous plan which would later be known as the Gunpowder Plot. Even as problems with his plot later arose and some members expressed doubt, Catesby remained convinced that violent action was the only way forward.
Catesby first recruited his close friends and relatives: Thomas Wintour, Jack Wright and Thomas Percy, but the group quickly grew to include Guy Fawkes. The small core of conspirators felt Guy would be a strong addition. Guy was not part of the close knit circle of Catesby's small group, but he had spent time in the Netherlands and in Spain where he had fought, many said very well, as a mercenary. While in Spain he also earned the nickname Guido. Indeed, he even signed his name Guido Fawkes in a number of places.
He was as passionate about the plight of the Catholics in England as his colleagues. As a member of the group, he quickly became a trusted member, and was later charged with the dangerous task of acquiring and 36 barrels of gunpowder and storing them in a rented space beneath the House of Lords.
Soon after Fawkes' addition, others who joined the group were Robert Wintour, Christopher (Kit )Wright, Robert Keyes, Thomas Bates. Latecomers to the group were John Grant, Ambrose Rookwood, Francis Tresham, and Everard Digby. In all, there were 13 conspirators in the Gunpowder Plot.
If Robert Catesby was the leader, how did Guy Fawkes become the most famous member of the Gunpowder Plot?
Guy Fawkes was the one who was caught under the House of Lords with 36 barrels of gunpowder. For two days, Guido was the only suspect in custody and his name became synonymous with the Powder Treason, as the Gunpowder Plot was known at the time.
But Guy wasn't in prison alone for long. Soon, many conspirators were either caught outright as they flew from London, or surrendered shortly thereafter. Some, however, including the ringleader Robert Catesby, were killed in a siege within a few days of the failed attempt.
All the conspirators who were not killed in the siege were imprisoned, tortured, and executed in the most gruesome way (except Francis Tresham who fell sick and died while in prison).
As is often the case with confessions made under duress, plotters admitted to everything they knew, and complemented this information with whatever authorities wanted to hear - in hopes of ending their ordeal. The result was questionable confessions, at least partly manufactured by authorities for their own purposes. These "confessions" conveniently incriminated two leading English Jesuits (Catholics) - who according to some historians had no involvement in the Plot. Regardless, it allowed the government to justify further anti-Catholic and get rid of at least two problematic Catholic leaders.
All imprisonned plotters were executed publicly in March 1607. They were "hanged, drawn, and quartered", a brutal practice which authorities hoped would instill terror in other potential traitors.
Did public executions really function as a deterrent? Or did they simply feed the climate of violence that encouraged Catesby and his men to pursue their deadly aims?
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http://www.bonefire.org/guy/index.php
Why don't we ever celebrate Arawak Day or Taino Day or Lucaya Day? (Outside of a hotel atmosphere, thank you:cheers: .) How about celebrating ALL of our various cultures?
Greek Orthodox
African
Caribbean
Scottish
English
Bahamian
Christian
Muslim
Rastafari
Buddhist? lol :sarcastic
RockWell 10-16-05, - 10:16 PM The Americans celebrates Columbus Day, even though Columbus never actually landed on the continent....
FYI: My response was based on chancellor's post(english,spanish & french play no role in american society today).And during my school days columbus day was just a regular day just like MLK day.
cristovian 10-17-05, - 02:03 AM Woodes Rodgers is a national heroe.
He helped:-
Eliminate piracy
Restore commerce/economics
Set up governemnt structures that continue to our day- HOA
Clean up Nassau
Restored the fort- Mounted guns, set up troops
He did all this despite:-
Being in the age of piracy
Many of his men died, becuase they were susceptible to diseases
Bahamians really did not want to work and clean up at that time
Not having a salary or wage
He paid all this money out of his own pocket, which caused him to go broke and to be thrown into debtors prison. Still after he came out of prison he came back, showing determination, a self sacrificing attitude and proved that he had the Bahamas' best intrest at heart.
garnelleo 10-17-05, - 02:14 AM u mussie bean eavesdropping on one convo me and my bro had.
I was like, a real hero was Woodes Rogers, (although he wasnt Bahamian), he got rid of dem pirates, and helped restored legit business back in the colony.
Imagine if someone could swoop down in the bahamas tomorow and get rid of most of the criminals/problems.
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