Clap. Clap. Clap. Congratulations (Haitianboy). Congratulations to all you Haitians out there reading this. Your country has celebrated its independence. How many years was it? 200 or more? It doesn't realy matter anyway. Oh yeah, if I was a Haitian I would be proud to know that my country was the first black independent nation in the western world too. Cheers to you guys, cheers to you (Haitianboy), (CG), and (Islandgyal). Although you (Islandgyal) is in denial, It it obvious that you are a Haitian. But of course that is not why I am posting this thread. I am realy trying to understand why Haitian people have so much pride, respect, love and good words to say about thier beloved country Haiti. It seems a bit hypocritical to me that they become lovers of Haiti after they have left the country. From what I heard from your people's very own mouths is that Haitians can't wait to get out of Haiti. Why? Nevermind that question anyway. Rather, I prefer knowing the answer to this instead. Why do your people intend on forcing other countries to grant haitian people citizenship.
You people are dead wrong and you know it. Before you reply back negatively, reason with yourself and ponder your actions versus other people complaints. You know the reason why you are not going to say that I am right is because you are going to continue with your actions regardless. I have came up with my own theory of the Haitian psyche. I asked myself once, If I was a Haitian and I was to seek a better life, how would I go about finding that. (NOT BEING IN HAITI) was the answer I concluded. So I guess there would be no reasoning with you people. Your not going to leave willingly. You have to see it like this. The United States is a great nation with about 228 years of history. Just 28 years older than Haiti, but is the greatest nation on earth. And why is that? It is because they worked hard for it and elected Presidents and Governors worth voting for. The Bahamas on the other Hand is much younger and we too have worked hard for what we have and also struggles with finding the right people to govern this nation. Now, you Haitians havn't worked for much and it shows. You people are the ones responsible for Aristide and nobody else. You shouldn't be proud of yourselves. What is there realy to celebrate? And its not all Aristide's fault. You guys had 200 years and still havn't gotten it together yet. Now listen, don't try to undermind me with the us black people need to stick together thing. We have the common sense to realize that color alone don't build a nation. Lots of our investors are of other races and nationalities. Maybee you would like to take notes on that. Liberator is right. Ronnie is right. All those who agree that most Haitians should be sent home is right. Most Haitians, not all of them. I know a few good people that happens to be Haitians but to accept 3000 other Haitians for every 1 good Haitian is a bad deal. Now Haitianboy, I am not an enemy of your people, I would like for us all to be friends. Just distant friends from across the water is all I ask.
You have a nice day and a Happy New Year. And enjoy your 200th anual Haitian Independence Day. Cheers:cheers: from your new friend 100% Bahamian.:bahamas:

**It seems a bit hypocritical to me that they become lovers of Haiti after they have left the country. From what I heard from your people's very own mouths is that Haitians can't wait to get out of Haiti. Why? Nevermind that question anyway. Rather, I prefer knowing the answer to this instead. Why do your people intend on forcing other countries to grant haitian people citizenship.**

Why do black Haitians leave Haiti? Have you read a newspaper in the past twenty years, man? Between the U.S.-imposed dictatorships of the past sixty years [imposed to 'protect' the rest of the region from the 'commies' next door in the DR], the U.S. economic embargo of the region of the past twenty years and the tightly-knit mestizo crew who REALLY run the Haitian business world and government, Haitian blacks haven't stood a real chance at economic sovereignty in a very long time.

No, 100%, I am not Haitian. I am Scottish and English, and my family has been in the Bahamas for close to one hundred years. I thank God every day for the phenomenal Jamaican teachers I was blessed with on Eleuthera while I was growing up, for they gave my classmates and I a true history of the Caribbean, not just the safe propaganda handed down by those U.S. textbooks yinna apparently use in Nassau. By the time I got to St. Augustine's, there were absolutely NO Caribbean textbooks to be found, mind you.

More U.S. and World Trade Organization handouts are NOT the answer for Haiti. Substantial economic development vehicles ARE ... and not more of those sisal-picking plantations/Tommy Hilfiger-Ralph Lauren-Disney sweatshops that pay $1-2 a day for backbreaking labour.

Sadly, I continue to meet more and more black Haitian men sweeping the beaches of Eleuthera resorts who once were attorneys in Port-au-Prince. This is no time to turn our backs on the real travesty that has been imposed on Haiti, thanks to years of economic terror and Ton Ton Macoute. With the USA breathing FTAA down the Caribbean's back right this minute, we need to learn from these lessons, and not pretend that they have no import for us in the long-term.

My college roommate was from Petionville, just outside of Port-au-Prince, and I took every opportunity to head home with her every chance that I got ... and I brought her to my beautiful country as well. I encourage all Bahamians to visit this beautiful country to our south. Even in its present economic and cultural ruin, Haiti's history speaks volumes.

Happy New Year, 100% Bahamian ... me, too.

What about Cuba also, alot of Cubans living in the Bahamas also seem to think it is so great there, or love it to death, yet they are dying to get out of there.



Clap. Clap. Clap. Congratulations (Haitianboy). Congratulations to all you Haitians out there reading this. Your country has celebrated its independence. How many years was it? 200 or more? It doesn't realy matter anyway. Oh yeah, if I was a Haitian I would be proud to know that my country was the first black independent nation in the western world too. Cheers to you guys, cheers to you (Haitianboy), (CG), and (Islandgyal). Although you (Islandgyal) is in denial, It it obvious that you are a Haitian. But of course that is not why I am posting this thread. I am realy trying to understand why Haitian people have so much pride, respect, love and good words to say about thier beloved country Haiti. It seems a bit hypocritical to me that they become lovers of Haiti after they have left the country. From what I heard from your people's very own mouths is that Haitians can't wait to get out of Haiti. Why? Nevermind that question anyway. Rather, I prefer knowing the answer to this instead. Why do your people intend on forcing other countries to grant haitian people citizenship.
You people are dead wrong and you know it. Before you reply back negatively, reason with yourself and ponder your actions versus other people complaints. You know the reason why you are not going to say that I am right is because you are going to continue with your actions regardless. I have came up with my own theory of the Haitian psyche. I asked myself once, If I was a Haitian and I was to seek a better life, how would I go about finding that. (NOT BEING IN HAITI) was the answer I concluded. So I guess there would be no reasoning with you people. Your not going to leave willingly. You have to see it like this. The United States is a great nation with about 228 years of history. Just 28 years older than Haiti, but is the greatest nation on earth. And why is that? It is because they worked hard for it and elected Presidents and Governors worth voting for. The Bahamas on the other Hand is much younger and we too have worked hard for what we have and also struggles with finding the right people to govern this nation. Now, you Haitians havn't worked for much and it shows. You people are the ones responsible for Aristide and nobody else. You shouldn't be proud of yourselves. What is there realy to celebrate? And its not all Aristide's fault. You guys had 200 years and still havn't gotten it together yet. Now listen, don't try to undermind me with the us black people need to stick together thing. We have the common sense to realize that color alone don't build a nation. Lots of our investors are of other races and nationalities. Maybee you would like to take notes on that. Liberator is right. Ronnie is right. All those who agree that most Haitians should be sent home is right. Most Haitians, not all of them. I know a few good people that happens to be Haitians but to accept 3000 other Haitians for every 1 good Haitian is a bad deal. Now Haitianboy, I am not an enemy of your people, I would like for us all to be friends. Just distant friends from across the water is all I ask.
You have a nice day and a Happy New Year. And enjoy your 200th anual Haitian Independence Day. Cheers:cheers: from your new friend 100% Bahamian.:bahamas:

wow...I put a search in google for Haitian Flag gif and got this...and it saddens me everytime I read or post about what people think of us Haitians and these are the kind of things I read...It really does...Devide and conquer is the name of the game, the European priest that came up with the idea of kidnapping slaves from Africa and bringing them to the West Indies is a genius...he was the bright light the Europeans were looking for and they certainly did their job...look how the world has children of Africa haiting one another and bickering over land that they were brought to...

Stop playing the race card with us. Its kind of outdated and played out.

I can only defend my country and my people, I am sure there's some truth to all sides, but being a Haitian born I can only hurt from hearing the thoughts expressed by people who's only differences is that they were stolen by another country then my ancestors were...

For those that say if Haitians are so proud why they dont go back to their own country...I ask first of all do you live in the U.S. I was born in Haiti in 1977 and have lived here in the U.S. most of my life...I never realized the situation in Haiti until the late 90's when I was there the country was so good there was never a thought of leaving...but as I grow up I understand now why people would leave everything they love behind them and risk their lives to go another place...it's called human nature and instincts...our instincts are survival...Africans especially are thick skinned and we prove to survive through anything...

If you say we can survive through anything, why don't you try surviving in Haiti?

Well my country is in bad shape politically, financially and is in the process of being squeezed into nothing by bigger sharks who further our struggle by bringing the world into things such as globerization...we are on a standstill where there's no jobs and a once very ambitious group of people who always seeked education now find themselves unable to get that same level of education thus the world think Haitians not being able to read or write is somethign that comes from not willing to learn...Haitian people in the U.S at least have proven to be one of the most ambitious group of Diasporas who come here with barely anything and make something of themselves quickly...but would that grant us worldwide recognition and make other countries really understand our problems at home? no.

Let the record be known that a very large percentage of the Haitian youth residing in South Florida are drug pushing violent criminals and is a part of the largest gang in Miami called the ZO Pound.

No because the big fishes always had a problem with us from the beginning...perhaps it's because of our rich history and now we have to pay for how we opened the eyes of the Caribbean and South America. We have contributed to almost every country's fight for liberation in the Western Hemisphere and now that the front man has fallen behind and needs the help of his neighbors and brothers and sisters to catch up again, we are being shuned as undeducated and treated as slaves...we opened the gate to freedom only to find ourselves right back into slavery again but this time by our own...those that we seek refuge from see themselves better and wish we'd stop landing on their doorsteps begging for food and shelter...

The "big fish" is actualy the country your people are running to, and is the country you reside in, the U.S. And how can you criticize the "big fish" for opening its doors to your people and giving the opertunities to make something of yourselves. You can't do that in Haiti. And how dare you take credit for other people struggles and fights for their independents? The "Front Man" didn't even had a plan on how they were gonna survive once they got their independence.

Only in Cuba do I see Haitians being welcomed with arms that are open...perhaps is because Fidel Castro who knows history and the significance of my country to his own and what we have done to help all, has educated his own people to the point where we can be accepted...Fidel's acceptance of Haitans has led to our creole to be officially the second language of Cuba and our culture celebrated like the Cuban culture itself...Africans are Africans no matter where we landed or were brought to...to understand why Haiti is in the state it is is to understand Caribbean history and the Americas...once understood, those that have eyes that are opened will maybe appreciate and understand why things are the way they are and only then can we really accept each other as brothers and sisters...

We are all the same...history has made our situations different...instead of screaming to Haitians to go home, try to understand why they are there...when our country was labeled the Pearl of the West Indies, we welcomed all with open arms no matter what their situation now we are the Pail of the West Indies, I have to read threads like these...I only hope God has a plan...I have a strong feeling we are not in this situation for nothing...being Africa's first born, perhaps it's God's plan to spread us across the Antilles and have us truly blend into other African Caribbean cultures and one day be one culture again...though we are devided,maybe just maybe we have one last chance to redeem ourselves and not be conquered...

I will never see my country respected and happy again for the rest of my lifetime, but while I'm living I will always be opened minded and teach those that want to know what being a Haitian really means and what we have given to the world...dont underestimate the people that cut your grass, for they have pay dues for you to own that grass...in the meantime thank you for allowing me to join your forum and post my thoughts and feelings...

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I can understand wanting to defend your country but fabricating the truth to get others to feel emotional for your people isn't the way to go. It's good that your people fought for your independence. Now be realistic, if haiti was drenched with oil, gold, diamond mines and other billion dollar natural resources do you actualy think that the French would allow you guys to have your independence? They simply realize fighting you guys was a wast of their time and effort. Your country had nothing for them to fight for. So when the revolt began and they got their cans kicked, they didn't even bother coming back with the French army or any other Allies.

100% Bahamian, you wrote. "....... Now be realistic, if Haiti was drenched with oil, gold, diamond mines and other billion dollar natural resources do you actually think that the French would allow you guys to have your independence? They simply realize fighting you guys was a waste of their time and effort. Your country had nothing for them to fight for..........."

Could not the same be said of us in the Bahamas? True, we had no war, we did not need one. The British were so glad to get rid of us because we were becoming an unwanted expense to the Crown. All the gallant efforts of the leaders of the day really did not matter. England was so glad to get rid of us that they would have handed things over to anybody. There was no struggle for independence. England was glad to see us go and stand on our own feet. That way they did not have to pay the bills!

Yet, all that is not really important. What is important is that we are standing on our own feet (mostly). Why is it that we have done so well but Haiti has fallen so short? There are two very important factors.

1.) Nutrition. We have been blessed here. We have always had food. There was food to buy and fish for the taking. Many people grow their own vegetables, even if only on a limited scale. I speak in general here as there are a few people who slip between the cracks and do not get the proper nutrition. Why is nutrition important? Because a child, deprived of the proper nutrition in its first two years does not develop a properly working brain. There is nothing you can do to fix that. Once the damage is done, it is done.

2.) The second factor is education. We have always had schools here even if they were only a one room school house. Look at us now! Schools all over the place. Most of us can read. Most of us get the education to "better" ourselves. Most of us get the education needed to tell when someone (government?) Is trying to "pull the wool over our eyes."

Haiti lacks these two important factors, amoung others, or they are not full developed in that country. If Haiti is to rise from the ashes here is what must be done. (And the effort should be lead by Haitians who have "made it" in America or other countries. All we can do is help when asked.) They should form a Foundation to raise money to build Haiti’s agriculture industry. This would provide jobs and step up the quality of the food on offer.

The Foundation should build and staff schools all over the country. They will meet with opposition from the authorities but with pressure from the rest of the world on the Government they could pull it off. (And here is another thing. The rest of the world should put tons of pressure on the Haitian government until it relents or cracks. It worked in South Africa!)

Haiti must be saved by Haitians. Maybe their first crack at independence was not all it is made up to be but this second one will be the real thing!

Here's a timely:sailing: editorial from the Bahama Journal:
http://www.jonescommunicationsltd.com/journal/index.php?url_channel_id=6&url_publish_channel_id=1683&url_subchannel_id=&well_id=2
Haiti And The 1790s

Godfrey Eneas
05/01/2004

(Editor’s Note: As Haiti celebrates 200 years as the first black independent state in the Americas, Godfrey Eneas introduces a different perspective on the Haitian Revolution and Haiti’s march to Independence).



The decade of the 1790’s centered around the activities on St. Domingue, which comprised the western third of Hispaniola. Hispaniola was significant. After Columbus landed on San Salvador in 1492, he sailed southeast for the larger island , to be named in honour of Spain, Spanish Island or Hispaniola.



St. Domingue’s importance stemmed from two basic facts - firstly, it supplied two-thirds of the overseas trade of France, and secondly it was the largest individual market for the European slave trade. African slaves had become the basis for shaping the economic development much of the News World which included the United States, Brazil and the other states in Central and South America, and, of course, the Caribbean. Activities in 1790’s St. Domingue were pivotal to future political, social and economic events in the whole Caribbean region.



Caribbean islands from the mid seventeenth century began to establish themselves as wealth-generating colonies as the European nations saw the Caribbean as a locale for a New World-based sugar industry.



The sugar industry became a remarkable source of wealth and material well-being for the Europeans, as it gave them the opportunity to gain much wealth. This bred Europeans entrepreneurs in shipping, trading, merchandising, financing and substantial spin-off economic opportunities for the domestic economies of Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, England and, of course, France.



The Caribbean became a focal point for European economic exploitation. Cuba and the Dominican Republic were Spanish colonies; the British had Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, much of the Leeward and Windward Islands; the Dutch controlled Curacao, St. Maarten and the French possessions were Martinique, Guadeloupe, St. Lucia and St. Domingue.

St. Domingue soon dominated French Caribbean interests. By the mid eighteenth century, St. Domingue’s sugar industry, with coffee at the higher altitudes, posed a serious threat to Jamaica’s claim to be the pre-eminent slave colony in the region. This was the economic framework in which St. Domingue entered the decade of the 1790’s. It would become one of the essential factors in creating the state of Haiti - the land called Ayiti or “mountainous” island.



St. Domingue or Santo Domingo had another important element - Black slaves from Africa. The slave population had reached an explosive level from 1763 to 1789 as the slave population had climbed from 206,000 to 465,429. There had never been such a large movement of Africans in so short a period into the American colonies, particularly those colonies in the Caribbean.



There was also a third dimension. In 1789, the French Revolution’s ideas of liberty, equality and fraternity were instrumental in igniting the slave uprising in Santo Domingo.

The ethnic scenario in Santo Domingo was composed of a mixture of a huge African slave force, almost a half million, a colored or mulatto middle class, a French white Plantocracy and a colonial government administration in the hands of French officials. Political turmoil in France as a result of the French revolution would lead to political turmoil in Santo Domingo. Squabbles ensued with colored and mulattoes against whites, middle class against upper middle class, French with Colonials. As all of this was taking place, the African slaves seized the movement and revolted.



The rightness of the cause was fundamental in the debate of the day - racial equality and slave emancipation gave impetus to the movement. With the military brilliance or Toussaint L’Ouverture and his army of slaves, they not only defeated Napoleon’s army, but also the Spanish and the British.



It was in Gonaives on January 1st, 1804 that General Jean Jacques Dessalines, L’Ouverture’s successor, declared Haitian independence. Today, a monument to the victorious general dominates the square where President Jean-Betrand Aristide is due to preside over the official ceremony commemorating 200 years of Haitian Independence.



Haiti’s declaration of Independence was a telling moment, as it became the first back republic outside of African and the second post-colonial society in the modern era (after the USA). It demonstrated that ex-salves organized into an army along with their guerillas or maroon squads under military leadership had the capacity to defeat the best European armies (French, British or Spanish).



The Haitian Revolution threatened the economic scene and the racial fundamental which dominated the Caribbean at the turn of the 19th century. The European masters had been defeated by their African slaves and this brought slave owners everywhere to realize and fear the implications of the events in Haiti, not only in other Caribbean islands, but on plantations throughout the Americas, including United States.



The new leadership of the Haitian Republic established a constitution which embodied that any black man, woman or child who reached Haiti from any place in the new world would be granted citizenship in this new republic.



After 13 years of revolutionary activity, Haiti’s independence was officially realized on 1st January, 1804. However, with their freedom also came world isolation. It would take another 21 years (1825) before France recognized Haiti’s independence. After agreeing to pay France 90 million gold francs, Haiti’s sovereignty was finally accepted. It would take another 37 years after the French recognition until the United Nations recognized Haiti as a sovereign republic in 18062. Haiti’s status as a nation was grudgingly received by the European powers.



In the meantime, slavery in British colonies would have been abolished in 1838, some 34 years after the Haitian declaration of Independence in 1804.



Today, Haiti is an economic basket case; Haiti’s economic indicators make grim reading. It is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere; 80% of it population of 8 million people earn less than $2.00 per day; life expectancy has fallen from 55 to 49 years in the last decade. It has been estimated that there are some 40,000 Haitian residing in The Bahamas - most of them entering this country as illegal immigrants.



The Bahamas was not a wealth-generating colony in the 1790’s like Jamaica, Barbados or Santo Domingo. Remember The Bahamas received its influx of slaves through the Loyalist Movement from the Southern United States in 1784.



The impact of the Haitian Revolution and Haiti’s achievement of independent status must have triggered thoughts in the minds of slave owners in The Bahamas that similar events could take place here. Also, this new Haitian army had defeated the British despite its emergence as a military and strategic power in the Atlantic and particularly in a region where its prized possession in the northern Caribbean, Jamaica, was an earshot from Haiti.



The political and economic reverberation of Haiti’s independence were not confined to the New World; its impact was felt though the colonial world.



At the 1957 Independence celebration of Ghana, C.L.R. James, author of The Black Jacobins: Story of The Haitian Revolution, was approached by a group of South Africans who informed him that it was the Haitian



Revolution, though his book, that fueled their revolution in Southern Africa.



The Haitian Revolution and subsequent Independence acted as a beacon for slave and colonial societies in the Caribbean and Africa. It is an inescapable fact and one which we as Bahamians should never forget or ignore.

http://www.medalia.net/Hhistory.html

Here is another site that gives us a short history
But remember, what was in the past means nothing for the future.

100% Bahamian, you wrote. "....... Now be realistic, if Haiti was drenched with oil, gold, diamond mines and other billion dollar natural resources do you actually think that the French would allow you guys to have your independence? They simply realize fighting you guys was a waste of their time and effort. Your country had nothing for them to fight for..........."

Could not the same be said of us in the Bahamas? True, we had no war, we did not need one. The British were so glad to get rid of us because we were becoming an unwanted expense to the Crown. All the gallant efforts of the leaders of the day really did not matter. England was so glad to get rid of us that they would have handed things over to anybody. There was no struggle for independence. England was glad to see us go and stand on our own feet. That way they did not have to pay the bills!

Wrong!!! :liar: The British dindn't just leave. We voted them out. We had the brains to realize there no reason to fight. We had to first acheive Majority Rule and then we voted them out. Know your history, or should I say the Bahamian history.

Yet, all that is not really important. What is important is that we are standing on our own feet (mostly). Why is it that we have done so well but Haiti has fallen so short? There are two very important factors.

1.) Nutrition. We have been blessed here. We have always had food. There was food to buy and fish for the taking. Many people grow their own vegetables, even if only on a limited scale. I speak in general here as there are a few people who slip between the cracks and do not get the proper nutrition. Why is nutrition important? Because a child, deprived of the proper nutrition in its first two years does not develop a properly working brain. There is nothing you can do to fix that. Once the damage is done, it is done.


Wrong!!! Wrong!!! Wrong!!! :liar: You are truly upsetting me. It is obvious you are naturaly a Haitian citizen hating on the Bahamas and don't want to leave! Check your facts! The Bahamas has one of the world highest literacy rate. Get your information correct!

2.) The second factor is education. We have always had schools here even if they were only a one room school house. Look at us now! Schools all over the place. Most of us can read. Most of us get the education to "better" ourselves. Most of us get the education needed to tell when someone (government?) Is trying to "pull the wool over our eyes."

Wrong Again!!! :liar: There was enough to eat back then. Do you actually think the slave owners will let the slaves starve to death. Whats the point of having slaves if they are dead? Slave owners look at slaves as real estate. And they look at food and water as fuel for the machines, the slaves. The reason there isn't enough food in Haiti is because the people have squatted on the farmlands. If they squat in the Bahamas what make you think they wouldn't squat there. They also had an ample supply of fish in their waters. They fished it dry. Unlike the government of the Bahamas, the Haitian government don't stop their people from over fishing the seas. Just like thier forest, do you know they only have about 10% of their forest left? They are cutting left and right, building boats to leave the island. Soon there wouldn't be any forest. What would you say if that happens? They never had any forest?

Haiti lacks these two important factors, amoung others, or they are not full developed in that country. If Haiti is to rise from the ashes here is what must be done. (And the effort should be lead by Haitians who have "made it" in America or other countries. All we can do is help when asked.) They should form a Foundation to raise money to build Haiti’s agriculture industry. This would provide jobs and step up the quality of the food on offer.

The Foundation should build and staff schools all over the country. They will meet with opposition from the authorities but with pressure from the rest of the world on the Government they could pull it off. (And here is another thing. The rest of the world should put tons of pressure on the Haitian government until it relents or cracks. It worked in South Africa!)

Haiti must be saved by Haitians. Maybe their first crack at independence was not all it is made up to be but this second one will be the real thing!
The difference between yourself and I is not just Nationalities but Facts. You fabricates and I present the facts. I don't want to argue with you, lets be friends. From the other side of the water that is.

Isnaldgyal I didn't even read your post. It is too long winded and unneccesary. I don't care to hear anymore about the Haitian history. I am too wrapped up in studdying and admiring my Bahamian history. Something worth learning.

You people are starting to get on my nerves!!:hot: :hot: :bye2:

100% Bahamian you wrote, "Wrong!!! The British didn’t just leave. We voted them out. We had the brains to realize there no reason to fight. We had to first achieve Majority Rule and then we voted them out. Know your history, or should I say the Bahamian history."


What we voted for was to see if the people of the Bahamas wanted independence. They voted "yes" and Britain breath a sigh of relief.

I am afraid that you got a bit mixed up when you criticized my comments about nutrition and education. For example, you said "The Bahamas has one of the worlds highest literacy rates. Get your information correct!" That is what I said. We have schools all over the place we (Bahamians) are educated!

As for Haitian devastating their land, yes! That is why they needs to be a program to get things back in order. You criticized me but basically you just restated what I said.

You ended by saying "The difference between yourself and I is not just Nationalities but Facts. You fabricate and I present the facts. I don't want to argue with you, lets be friends. From the other side of the water that is." First of all 100% Bahamian, where do you live? I live in the Bahamas! As for me fabricating I don’t have to I lived through those times (Independence and even before) and, with the greatest respect, I don’t see your arguments as facts. As for us being friends, I hope so but even friends can disagree without accusing each other of......:liar:

Isnaldgyal I didn't even read your post. It is too long winded and unneccesary. I don't care to hear anymore about the Haitian history. I am too wrapped up in studdying and admiring my Bahamian history. Something worth learning.

You people are starting to get on my nerves!!:hot: :hot: :bye2:
100% Bahamian, you only underscore my point with your most recent post! "He who doesn't know or appreciate his history, is doomed to repeat it." Hope that you get the chance to come home soon, though.

Go, Saxons!

I wouldn't exactly call the Bahamas literate. While it is fine for us here in this informal forum to make spelling and grammatical errors, there is no Bahamas national newspaper that can print one single article without a spelling mistake. This is totally unacceptable and The Bahamas needs to come to grips with reality. We cannot continue to ignore real problems in this country by covering our eyes. It is unacceptable to say the Bahamas is a very literate country because IT IS NOT! Only by facing our problems can we fix them.

Isnaldgyal I didn't even read your post. It is too long winded and unneccesary. I don't care to hear anymore about the Haitian history. I am too wrapped up in studdying and admiring my Bahamian history. Something worth learning.

You people are starting to get on my nerves!!:hot: :hot: :bye2:
Wow! Some topics never die. :rolleyes:

My good friend we share history with Haiti and vice versa.
I admire the history of the Bahamas itself as a nation but also our brothers and sisters in Haiti. Even so; I admire Haiti even more because they paved the way for black leadership in this region.

I have a great desire to learn more about the history of Haiti. Does that make me unpatriotic? No! History is still being made and only God knows what the future holds.

One day we may all have to flee this land.

I wouldn't exactly call the Bahamas literate. While it is fine for us here in this informal forum to make spelling and grammatical errors, there is no Bahamas national newspaper that can print one single article without a spelling mistake. This is totally unacceptable and The Bahamas needs to come to grips with reality. We cannot continue to ignore real problems in this country by covering our eyes. It is unacceptable to say the Bahamas is a very literate country because IT IS NOT! Only by facing our problems can we fix them.
I agree with you that the newspapers do make mistakes. This is the fault of the proof readers. I am a writer myself and I make shocking spelling and grammar errors. This is why I give my work to a proof reader.

Also remember that even literate persons make mistakes. Literate means that one can read and write in an satisfactory manner. Perfection is another thing. We are not perfect but we are better than many of the so called "Third World."

While it is true, everybody makes mistakes, it is our ******* newspapers. It makes everybody look bad to have the writing level of a 10th grader in our national newspapers.