You are back on this issue of possible innocence AGAIN?
You must not read the newspapers and see how the latest murder perpetrators are absolutely guilty. Moxey's killer took her to the hospital after he beat her to a pulp. The perps in Waterloo did their murder in full view of patrons of a crowded club. The case where the guy shot down his girlfriend at the bus stop was clean cut as well. He did it in front of her two daughters and shot one of them in the process! The one in Freeport where he killed his girlfriend in her apartment was done with passersby and neighbors hearing her screams.
Yeah, they're all innocent. :sarcastic
You want to improve, educate and give hope to these cold-blooded killers? Hutchinson had just done TEN years for the previous shooting murder of his ex-wife's boyfriend! What hope of rehabilitation does he have when this time he didn’t use a gun, but beat his victim to death instead!
In a way you are a murderer's best friend, because you dare to defend these people who have violated the lives of others in such gruesome ways. I'm sure that if you were the only thing between these murderers and freedom, they would kill you too, the same way they killed their victims - in cold blood.
You have no ground to stand on. You cannot expect to rehabilitate these people - Especially in such clear-cut, violent cases. Examples need to be made or else criminals will know that they will not be punished for their actions. Many death row killers turn into sobbing crybabies when they realize that they will die for what they have done. Justice is served in that case, for the public and for the victim.

You seem to misunderstand me. I said already that I am for capital punishment, but only if we can be sure the person is guilty. In the case of the stabbing...if you can do that in public where there are so many witnesses, then you deserve to die. The case where the man shot his girlfriend at the bus stop where everyone can witness is also clear cut and he should die. In the Freeport case where the neighbors heard screaming...unless they saw him too, there is no guarantee it was her boyfriend. This is the problem. Yes the community may "know" it was him. But this may be largely due to speculation and rumors. If you have 5 or 10 witnesses to a murder, then I say kill the bastard too. But we have to be clear about it and not kill someone based on what we all "know" but cannot actually prove.

I say hang um high end of story. If the commissioner of police is calling on the gov't to re-instate hanging I think it may be a solution to reduce the number of murders in this country.

Yet another person applying first-world philosophy and rationale to a developing third-world nation. :cool:
That's the problem with this world in general. We have those who have gained some knowledge and experience from a first-world nation and automatically expect those who have never gone through such experiences to understand and change accordingly.
Refusal to implement capital punishment in this society will be much to our detriment. What may not work, or be acceptable in a first-world society, will indeed work in this nation. Believe it.


Hello to All,

For the record and future reference 'Third World' as The Bahamas and other countries are classifed as, has nothing to do with our brians, morals, ethics, thinking, rationale etc. This classification speaks to economics and level of industrialization.

We are in The Bahamas, are just civilized or uncivilized / educated or uneducated as any country in the world. Case in point, Hurricane Katrina examplifed how the most powerful country on earth with all to ruffels that come with being 'First World' failed completely on the protection of its citizens black and white.

Thus using the excuse as the Bahmas being third world as if we are third class citizens in this global community, is unacceptable. As I write CNN a First World news station, is reporting the execution of an inmate in 'First World USA' for the brutal rape and murder of a nine year old girl.

Now back to the point of this discussion, any of you think that an animal of this nature should be allowed to serve a life sentance, need to have heads examined.

Is capital punishment a deterant, no it is and should be Punishment.

Thus using the excuse as the Bahamas being third world as if we are third class citizens in this global community, is unacceptable. As I write CNN a First World news station, is reporting the execution of an inmate in 'First World USA' for the brutal rape and murder of a nine year old girl.

Is capital punishment a deterant, no it is and should be Punishment.

While I agree with the concept of capital punishment being a "punishment" like the name says, I disagree with your denial that the basic mentality across the board in this country is that of a "third world" nation.

Yeah we do have some "edumacation" up in this lil town, but at the same time the level of ignorance is rising - Especially as we seem to have few in power doing anything truly positive for the future. All that we have going on is plenty sellin' land to foreignors like it goin' outta style, givin' we "people dem" undeserved favors or positions, and doin' everythin' in a way that ga make sure that "we" get in next election.

We t'ird world. Let's not deny it 'cause you happen to be a little better off than most. Delusions of grandeur only serve to distract from how truly messed up things can be in this country at times.

dread we 2.8 wurld .. :cheers:

Yeah, we were 2.5 , but we slippin' fast! :D

Hello to All,
For the record and future reference 'Third World' as The Bahamas and other countries are classifed as, has nothing to do with our brians, morals, ethics, thinking, rationale etc. This classification speaks to economics and level of industrialization.

:gi: so you think we dont know that?
I'm sure we mean third world when it comes to the mentality of corruption brutality and rogue tactics. But then again america is guilty of these offenses too

I just hate when people jump on the band-wagon and make banal and irresponsible statements, such as below!

PM Addresses Capital Punishment
Candia Dames
Prime Minister Perry Christie recently waded into the capital punishment debate, steering clear of voicing any personal opinions, but instead emphasizing that the Government of The Bahamas will be guided by the decisions of the courts.

“We have this situation where probably the great majority of the people of our country would support capital punishment,”

Prime Minister Perry Christie


Mr. Christie made the comment amid growing calls for hangings to resume in the face of rising crime rates.

"We have this situation where probably the great majority of the people of our country would support capital punishment," he told The Bahama Journal.

"A significant minority does not and they argue very persuasively why they do not. But from the government’s point of view, the law remains on the book and this does not arise with us as to whether or not it happens or doesn’t happen. It’s a matter for the courts of The Bahamas."

The prime minister added, "The Bahamas government supports the law that exists that someone who is charged with murder, convicted of murder and sentenced to death has the right of appeal. The Government of The Bahamas does not interfere with that process.

"What happens is the appeals process takes itself into the Privy Council, the highest court of appeal and the Privy Council in recent times has been defining the law in such a way that the cases have not taken place and they have entertained arguments throughout the Caribbean on this issue."

Prime Minister Christie noted that some countries are looking at whether they should keep the Privy Council as their highest court of appeal.

"In our case ours is a constitutional matter and we’ve not even contemplated moving away from the Privy Council," he said.

The prime minister wasn’t the only government official to speak about the capital punishment issue in recent days.

One of his cabinet ministers has offered a more personal view on the hot-button issue, strongly intimating that hangings should take place in The Bahamas again.

When he spoke at the funeral service for murdered softball star Jackie Moxey on Saturday, Minister of Youth, Sports and Culture Neville Wisdom made that position clear.

"Senseless acts are happening in this country too often," he said. "A clear message must be sent that there are consequences for your actions. Those of us who are in position such as the deputy prime minister, the attorney general and I must find a way to ensure that those consequences are met upon people who determine that they can snuff out a life and then serve a life sentence in Fox Hill prison. This nonsense must stop."

However, opponents have argued that statistics have shown repeatedly the world over that the death penalty does not serve as a deterrent.

They note that in 2000 when The Bahamas carried out its last hanging, there were more than 70 murders recorded.

They also note that because most murders are domestic-related, few people would think strongly about hangings before committing their crimes.

However, as reported in The Bahama Journal last week, Commissioner of Police Paul Farquharson believes that capital punishment would help to prevent some crimes.

"There are many persons on death row who should have been gone a long time ago," Mr. Farquharson said.

Despite all the human rights arguments and biased studies that capital punishment doesn't work, I can guarantee that if capital punishment is handed down and carried out expeditiously, the increasing number of murders each year would diminish in The Bahamas. Only one or two hangings per year is not what I'm talking about either.

Don't use the public statements of politicians as an excuse against capital punishment. Mouth could say anyt'ing and politicians do just that. Political mileage is all that they are trying to gain - one way or the other.

If these criminals are found guilty without any doubt of a gruesome murder, they should forfeit their life as punishment. Murderers do not give their victims any mercy, so why should they get any at the taxpayers' expense.

Hang 'em. Pure and simple.

Nowadays we water down punishments for hardened criminals, then wonder why they continue to commit heinous crimes and kill without remorse. If they do the crime, then they should be prepared to face the penalty for it. They should not expect someone to save their hide when no one was there to save the life of their victim. The biggest mistake that human rights advocates make with capital punishment is to think that these murderers are "people just like them". Just the very fact that a person on death row will suddenly show remorse and be prepared to "change their ways" when they are faced with the sentence of death shows that capital punishment can and will work if criminals know that the justice system is serious about implementing the death sentence.

Human rights eh? Suckers.

Despite all the human rights arguments and biased studies that capital punishment doesn't work, I can guarantee that if capital punishment is handed down and carried out expeditiously, the increasing number of murders each year would diminish in The Bahamas.
no you can't. that statment falls into the category of banal comments i was talking about.

Don't use the public statements of politicians as an excuse against capital punishment.
i'm definitely not using their statements. anything that comes out of a politician's mouth, i take with a grain of salt. i simply think its responsible for them to comment conclusively on something they have no knowledge of! neville wisdumb??? i rest my case

If these criminals are found guilty without any doubt of a gruesome murder, they should forfeit their life as punishment. Murderers do not give their victims any mercy, so why should they get any at the taxpayers' expense.
why should they? because hanging that person will NOT stop the next 'rude-boy' who think he so bad, he cud juk up someone and not get caught.

Hang 'em. Pure and simple.
easily response to a complex situation. unfortunately NOT a solution to the problem.

Nowadays we water down punishments for hardened criminals, then wonder why they continue to commit heinous crimes and kill without remorse. If they do the crime, then they should be prepared to face the penalty for it. They should not expect someone to save their hide when no one was there to save the life of their victim.
you know, i do actually agree with you here. i think punishments are being watered down, sometimes to our detriment. it does not mean however, that killing convicts will make us safe.

The biggest mistake that human rights advocates make with capital punishment is to think that these murderers are "people just like them"
well what are they? they may act like animals, but we should then ask ourselves who is responsible for this result? not to mention, when we hang a rope around someone's neck and breaking it - we act just as inhuman and violent as the one's we are killing.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind (Mahatma Gandhi)

Human rights eh? Suckers.
hmm starting to feel that way too, with my half-employed self:board2:

a criminal should be punished worst than what he did to his victims, so really for a murderer, hanging is normally not very much, most dont care if they die or not .. any one see what they did to mel at the end of braveheart? that'll put a scare into them, set it up right on bay street :D

You have fallen out of touch with your boys on the blocks, Moon Angel.

These little punks around here who hang out in their "gangs" and think that their heads are "bad" need to be taught a lesson. Especially the group of boys who stabbed the young man in Waterloo.

If the culprits of that crime were hanged early next year, you would see a reaction immediately among the ranks of our younger generation, who think that it's okay to stab each other up in school (e.g. RM Bailey week before last).

That's why I say that capital punishment would probably guarantee a reduction in these types of crime. Our society is small and close-knit. A ripple in our pond touches almost everyone, believe it or not. You didn’t get to see how those boys all held their heads up high as if they had no fear going in and coming out of court. They took a young man’s life away. They need to be broken...quickly.

Yeah, this society is more than aware that the problem comes from a lack of proper social and intellectual education, but until we implement a solution, we need to deal with the criminals we have on the streets NOW as harshly as we can.

Mahatma Ghandi was severely incorrect in that quote, by the way. Regardless of the good that he did, that quote is the one most frequently misused by human right advocates. It should read:

"An eye for an eye leaves only the victim and those who chose to commit a crime against that victim blind!"

Might I add that it also shows everyone else what happens when you do commit that sort of crime.

Get it right.

If they live by the sword make sure they die by the sword. ... no hanging, carry on like those whacked out places ... execution by knife ...

Its like stabbing has become a norm here in Nassau whenever someone has an issue with another person.. its sick, and sad. I dont know if they are just really that dumb to not know stabbing someone WILL kill them .. or they are plain bloodthirsty murderers with lack of regard for another persons life ...

a murderer, hanging is normally not very much, most dont care if they die or not

Oh yeah?

Then why is Hutchinson on suicide watch? He had the heart to beat his girlfriend so bad that he almost knocked her head clean off (not to mention allegedly hogtying and shooting the boyfriend in the head), but now he wants to cry like a baby as if he's sorry? He knows that he will be punished and he's afraid. He should have thought of that before. Justice needs to be served.

More people need to see the truth behind these murderers.

Oh yeah?

Then why is Hutchinson on suicide watch? He had the heart to beat his girlfriend so bad that he almost knocked her head clean off (not to mention allegedly hogtying and shooting the boyfriend in the head), but now he wants to cry like a baby as if he's sorry? He knows that he will be punished and he's afraid. He should have thought of that before. Justice needs to be served.

More people need to see the truth behind these murderers.

can i just ask whether these people undergo mental health assessments?