what i dont understand is why the youth are so angry and tormented? why- noone govt entity has yet to answer that question.


Etienne Dupuch said it best....
It is the slow deterioration of the basic family!

And even goes further than the advent of the single parent home...we are talking about parents who just dont give a tinkers damn, and do not have time to have a thought about their own kids!
And you can have single parents, or multiple parents who refuse or who have time to invest in family life...This is true, and alot of the blame has to be left at the fast growing economy and the rat race we "esppecially in Nassau" live under.
And to add my two cents, we have forgotten to equate the "Black Factor" when we decided this economic thrust in to a white mans dominated domain..."Kimd of what Ex Pm Pindling touched on in his last interview with Keith Wisdom, but not as bluntly as I said it.
:gi:

I am Social Worker/Community builder, and I can sit back and talk to you about some of the horror stories young men and women endure in their own home!
So when saw the topic about the curfew..i had to simply think to myself, "Maybe forcing them or TRYING to force them to stay home is not the best option"....
:dgi:

Etienne Dupuch said it best....
It is the slow deterioration of the basic family!
And even goes further than the advent of the single parent home...we are talking about parents who just dont give a tinkers damn, and do not have time to have a thought about their own kids!
And you can have single parents, or multiple parents who refuse or who have time to invest in family life...This is true, and alot of the blame has to be left at the fast growing economy and the rat race we "esppecially in Nassau" live under.
And to add my two cents, we have forgotten to equate the "Black Factor" when we decided this economic thrust in to a white mans dominated domain..."Kimd of what Ex Pm Pindling touched on in his last interview with Keith Wisdom, but not as bluntly as I said it.
:gi:
I am Social Worker/Community builder, and I can sit back and talk to you about some of the horror stories young men and women endure in their own home!
So when saw the topic about the curfew..i had to simply think to myself, "Maybe forcing them or TRYING to force them to stay home is not the best option"....
:dgi:

yes i am sure kids some kids arent in stable homes- but whose duty should the blame fall on beside the parents for keeping their kids at home? have you made you concerns known to minister griffin and the neccessary govt entitites in place to deal with such issues as abuse, incest molestation, etc that I think your alluding too? My big thing is kids should be in their homes past dark. i thought we were living in the video game age?
dont make it seem like its a prison sentence for kids to be where they should be after dark. 10 o'clock is a more than enough time. my little brother has to stop playing that game at 10 pm for school in the morning or else he knows he will have trouble getting up and he will hear my mouth screaming and stressing the importance of education and my tirade about 8 hours for sleep 8 hours for school 8 hours for god and my devil box speech and...all this to say like i said they are children for a reason, they dont rule adults or authority.

yes i am sure kids some kids arent in stable homes- but whose duty should the blame fall on beside the parents for keeping their kids at home?
Exactly on the top level of what i am saying, but the deeper issue is in this day and age when a single parent or multiple parents have to take on two jobs or extended work periods and have no time for family building..
When parents who are still basically children themselves are forced to raise children on their own becasue of various social and biological pitfalls...
When the modern day grandparents and extended family can not be counted on becasue they lack the expereince fo family values themselves due to it being slowly lost over a period of decades....
At some point, you should stop blaming just parents, and blame others like our fraudulent employers, our economic framers, older men who have let this country down, the education and welfare system which is suposed to be the safety net but has been overworked and undermanned!

have you made you concerns known to minister griffin and the neccessary govt entitites in place to deal with such issues as abuse, incest molestation, etc that I think your alluding too?
This my dear is NO SECRET!
:mad:


My big thing is kids should be in their homes past dark. i thought we were living in the video game age?
Yes, i agree they SHOULD BE HOME, but when home is a hell of alot worse than the outside and less attractive than what you have in someone else's house or street corner coupled with the fact that you can get away with it due to slack supervision, living in the video game age seems moot.
Esspeccialy when a lot of these kids "young men in paticular" parents can not afford them video games anyways, so who do they go to "Fill in the blank".....we are talking about the so called prime suspects in this dysfunctional setting and that is young underprivileged males.
Who in my mind , take the blame for something they have very little to do with...and take more of their share of the blame for US screwing them up and abandoning them in soooo many ways..too many ways and if I start my daily rant would make you cry your eyes out on what has been done to them...ON SO MANY LEVELS!
But when someone is killed...they take the blame wholey "which any responsible person should take"..but with little or no understanding of how they got to that level, and after that the parents, and then the politicians chime in and say its govt!!
SCREAMING AND SHOUTING ITS AN EVIL PRESSENCE IS NOT GOING TO GET IT DONE!
This Sick cycle goes on and on with no results becasue alot of us do not know how to go about acheiving positive reinforcing results!

dont make it seem like its a prison sentence for kids to be where they should be after dark. 10 o'clock is a more than enough time. my little brother has to stop playing that game at 10 pm for school in the morning or else he knows he will have trouble getting up and he will hear my mouth screaming and stressing the importance of education and my tirade about 8 hours for sleep 8 hours for school 8 hours for god and my devil box speech and...all this to say like i said they are children for a reason, they dont rule adults or authority.

Do not make your situation into what should be for everyone esle..because in all fairness, what your expereince has to do with even your sisters or parents experience is virtualy nothing and has nothing to do with what the whole body has to deal with on a daily basis...either through ignorance or blatant disregard!
The fact of the matter is, these types of things need long term aproaches, and remedy!
Something packaged in a five year to ten year plan for social survival.....
It takes real study, and in depth social tnkering..to the extent of brainwashing....hope we dont have to get to that!
The urban renewal is a great idea for this kind of experimentatio to take place, but will it survive??
Becasue idiots like Clever Duncombe expect quick day end results, for a problem that will take years to stem and not even solve!
Did you see his article in Mondays Tribune...never in my life have i seen a man desperately seeking political mileage and having nothing tangible to say!
Sickenig that the Tribune had that as a lead story...the rantings of yet another Mad man with deeply conservative veiws that are out of touch with the Bahamian reality and offer no credible evidence or assistance what realy needs to be done!


And in totality...in the last eddited quote I scripted fro you... you are missing the point!
There is nothing wrong with kids being in by ten...in fact my kids will have to be indoors earlier if i had my druthers!
But getting to that point where everyone has the opportunity to be on board is another story!
Please do not confuse the two!
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SCREAMING AND SHOUTING ITS AN EVIL PRESSENCE IS NOT GOING TO GET IT DONE!
For the most part all Bahamians have opinions and everyone talks and the same time and almost noone listens. and when you say something about it people get mad and wah curse you out because you dont want to be apart of the screaming match (i know from personal aexperience)

The fact of the matter is, these types of things need long term aproaches, and remedy!
so what is your suggestions? dont tell it to me tell it to the parents and the neccessary govt bodies.

my thing was that children shouldnt be outside so late? Thats why i agree with a curfew. its wasnt intended to be a quick fix it is the right thing to do. nothing more nothing less. You have other concerns why they shouldnt be inside past dark- that's understandable but please note that all kids arent going through abuse and neglect and molestation and...

whenever someone gives an good idea everyone has a problem why it cant be implemented or shouldnt be implemented, all the while, real problems festers and continues to hurt us as a nation.

For the most part all Bahamians have opinions and everyone talks and the same time and almost noone listens. and when you say something about it people get mad and wah curse you out because you dont want to be apart of the screaming match (i know from personal aexperience)
I do not follow your train of thought, or what you were trying to address!


so what is your suggestions? dont tell it to me tell it to the parents and the neccessary govt bodies.
My total suggestion would take more than a rant on a daily forum i know that..and it would take more that me!
This takes a year to years long continual study on what we need to be fixing!
Not a quick fix from me or you!

my thing was that children shouldnt be outside so late? Thats why i agree with a curfew. its wasnt intended to be a quick fix it is the right thing to do. nothing more nothing less.
For the last time I am not disputing this.....
But it is far from being a great innovative idea
And it s totaly far from being the solve all for a problem that has very little to do with making a provision on time!
I ask...if you catch them outside, what will you do with them??
SHOOT EM??
Call their parents....and then go through the same ole 6 and 4....
Its a useless cycle..cant you see that??
:dgi:

You have other concerns why they shouldnt be inside past dark- that's understandable but please note that all kids arent going through abuse and neglect and molestation and...
Having your kids outside past an appropriate hour IS neglect!

whenever someone gives an good idea everyone has a problem why it cant be implemented or shouldnt be implemented, all the while, real problems festers and continues to hurt us as a nation.

We have no issue with anyone having an idea..
But for this idea being good??..to me it is not!!:sarcastic
Secondly, any idea that comes off the head of anyone as a matter of reflex or post-term reactive response to a long standing issue deserves my attention and disaproval, becase I know how HUMANS go....reactive problem solving and quick fix ideas gain traction for various reasons, and to be honest they mask the problem and make things worse!

What you have not been reading into what I am saying is that, the quick fix is out of the bloody window!
WAY OUT OF THE GHAD DAMNED WINDOW!!

We need real long term solutions, that has been hashed out in a think tank, over a period of ongoing and extended time frames, backed up studies, further backed up by statistics implemented with the idea of changing minds and modyfying BEHAVIOR, not and I repeat NOT something that is a stop gap to an ongoing problem, a problem that has ingrained into it very nuanced and intricate issues that will affect us all...
I mean, how long will we be stuck on STUPID!!???:gi:

SOME THINGS DIDNT WORK, THEY WONT WORK, THEY WILL NEVER WORK...BUT YET WE STILL GO AT IDEAS THAT HAVE GONE OUT WITH THE CHARELSETON HUSTLE!!
:dgi: :dgi:
OK...let me appeal to your sense of open mindedness and reason, do you really honestly feel that a curfew would solve the problems of parents who have to work extended or odd long hours?
Will a curfew solve the problem of handicapping our males to force them later on to compete in a society they have no hand in shaping??
Will a curfew build confidence of young people to strive to acheive??
Will a curfew solve crime of older once neglected criminals??
Will a curfew mean a damn to kids who are allready with no supervision and guidance??
Will a curfew automatically make parents who need to feed the whole family care more deeply when they have to make money??

Comon man..get with it!
New day
New time
New long term planning!

Not quick quipy off the wall and our heads ideas to solve issues that take us all!
It is just doing what we allways do...and that is shift the blame to those that can not prove their not being at fault!
:mad:

i wonder how well that pager thing works - hint hint taffy and y2k :hammer:

but you keep going in a circle i asked you what would you do and you add nothing new. just a bunch of excuses. all parents donot have to work odd hours all kids arent neglected, all young males are not committing violent crimes...a curfew can be a way of life until this high crime rate subsides and parents begin to give a damn about their responsibility.noone said that a curfew was the panacea. I simply agreed that it is a good idea.

i wonder how well that pager thing works - hint hint taffy and y2k :hammer:


yea we have tangented off of base havent we!!
LOL..
My bad!

But i have more to add on that train of thought..and this thread had been officially hi-jacked!
Becasue it had no purpose other that political ranting from plants that are self serving to say the least!

At least i am reaching taffy on an issue that is not only important but very serious...and that is good!
:heartbeat

but you keep going in a circle i asked you what would you do and you nothing new. just a bunch of excuses. noone said that a curfew was the panacea. I simply agreed that it is a good idea. all parents donot have to work odd hours all kids arent neglected, all young males are not committing violent crimes...a curfew can be a way of life until this high crime rate subsides and parents begin to give a damn about their responsibility.


OMFG!!!
:sparky:

Secondly, any idea that comes off the head of anyone as a matter of reflex or post-term reactive response to a long standing issue deserves my attention and disaproval, becase I know how HUMANS go....reactive problem solving and quick fix ideas gain traction for various reasons, and to be honest they mask the problem and make things worse!

What you have not been reading into what I am saying is that, the quick fix is out of the bloody window!
WAY OUT OF THE GHAD DAMNED WINDOW!!

We need real long term solutions, that has been hashed out in a think tank, over a period of ongoing and extended time frames, backed up studies, further backed up by statistics implemented with the idea of changing minds and modyfying BEHAVIOR, not and I repeat NOT something that is a stop gap to an ongoing problem, a problem that has ingrained into it very nuanced and intricate issues that will affect us all...I mean, how long will we be stuck on STUPID!!???

Re-read just the essence of what i have been saying from the original thread about the great curfew!!

Just read it and see what i mean....especcially the one hi-lighted in black!
And think before you answer!

OMFG!!!
:sparky:
Re-read just the essence of what i have been saying from the original thread about the great curfew!!
Just read it and see what i mean....especcially the one hi-lighted in black!
And think before you answer!

i did and you gave nothing new or made no suggestions you just said long term research study plan plan and not what we will do. why dont you do your own study and then report instead of waiting-that's what puzzles me and why im not paying attention to anything your saying after this post.

i did and you gave nothing new or made no suggestions you just said long term research study plan plan and not what we will do. why dont you do your own study and then report instead of waiting-that's what puzzles me and why im not paying attention to anything your saying after this post.



Eaxactly...there is nothing that can be said here aside from actualy doing some research!
We have no quick term solution to this problem, other that effective research into the core problems, and the modifying behavior to suit this society!

There is nothing we can accomplish here in a sinlge bahamasissues thread, what needs to be done can not be summed up with a simple curfew that will be ineffective!

I do not have the answer....but understand to acheive the "ANSWERS" will take more than just me or you or a politician..it will take behavior modification and tweeking of this economic system for starters!
That can not be unpackaged to you in a single stroke...

Get off of this WE NEED ANSWERS...and actualy look for ways to find solutions!
Not evertyhing will be available to you in a stroke of your brainwave, or that rant of short sighted posters who have not the time to dig deeper into this issue..what we can and must do is open dialouge that will further open creative ideas to this bahamian economy, and we need them from abroad range of persons with know how "Tis why to me the Urban renewal was a great idea, but Bahamians "especcially the second tier non political bahamians" act as if they do not have the will or the brainpower to do things in a sensible upbeat manner", but this is better than where we were before, at least we recognize the issue of inter agency solution making to this problem in paticular....We need to fix this economy,and i say economy not in terms of financial, but the real meaning of ECOS!
That has very little to do with money...tis why economics has been re-classified as a social science!

Hear me well....there is no quick solution, and we must begin the process of real solution making becasue no one but God has the total solution, but we can come pretty close if we engage in meaningful problem solving!

Get my drift now??

:uh: I thought better of you.The stupidity of this post really dn't sound like you.Because no matter who was in charge S...T Happens."The world is a petty place & people dyin erry day."All you can do is put your checks & balances in place & HOPE they hold.People done rob Fort Knox & yinna talking foolishness bout HMP.I wonder if any of yinna ever been in Foxhell & also any prison USA and see the difference?And guess what! fellas does escape from them to.Just last week they killed a guard & made their escape in the USA.


one day it'll all make sense...I'm so flattered you value my opinion:cutie:

it seems as if we all have lots of concerns with this government, if we want these concerns to continue lets vote again for the governing party. But if you want change vote them out!!!

it seems as if we all have lots of concerns with this government, if we want these concerns to continue lets vote again for the governing party. But if you want change vote them out!!!
To who?:dgi: You can't mean to those last bunch of idiots who was trying to sell Clifton Cay aye? :gi:

To who?:dgi: You can't mean to those last bunch of idiots who was trying to sell Clifton Cay aye? :gi:

he was suggesting the CDR, Marichal...work with the bey!