why thanks. its good to know that you arent critical.


Your situation is very unique. How is it that you were tricked into thinking you were gay? All I understand from your story is that you were molested. It just seems that you were not in a situation to fight off your molesters. I do feel sorry that you had to endure that but I applaud your strength for standing up for yourself and trying to confront your molester.
You did make a serious flaw here that I find a bit offensive. It seems as though you are comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. You were molested as a child by a pedophile. Pedophilia and homosexuality are very different things that should not be confused. The former is a psychological illness, while the latter is a sexual orientation.
It sounds like you are a very informed based on your experience. You describe the situation very well, talking about the "trades" (hetero guys that have sex with gay men for money) and other such instances. Let us not get sidetracked and misrepresent the entire gay community. Yes there are a few persons out there such as you have described. Let me assure you, they are a minority within the gay community.

it really irritates me when i discuss homosexuality (amongst friends/family) and they (ALWAYS) up pedophilia! :what: WTF? totally different! apples and oranges! sad thing is, many people dony WANT to understand the difference.

Yep. Sad and very disheartening...

why thanks. its good to know that you arent critical.

LOL...not sure if you really mean that or if you are being sarcastic...I did try to be objective.

I dont know u and i realy mean it Thank You for understanding for years I always wanted to know if thare are any Bahamians that are emotional Bahamaians are very COLD people again thank you.
i still say that for me to be gay is wrong and i belive that God made woman for man .

but Gays and lesbians are humans to we have to pray for change every man is intitled to be what they want to be or do, God said it, let him take care of it we have to save our own, and give account for our own soul


LOL...not sure if you really mean that or if you are being sarcastic...I did try to be objective.

I dont know u and i realy mean it Thank You for understanding for years I always wanted to know if thare are any Bahamians that are emotional Bahamaians are very COLD people again thank you.
i still say that for me to be gay is wrong and i belive that God made woman for man .
but Gays and lesbians are humans to we have to pray for change every man is intitled to be what they want to be or do, God said it, let him take care of it we have to save our own, and give account for our own soul

I really must applaud you. It is remarkable that you are able to be so kind hearted despite what you have been through. It gives me hope that there are decent people out there...

Again Thanks . the only thing that bothers me though is this, being of Bahamian Decent i was thought in our house hold is this forgive, and every man changes after they see thier worong. a lot of Bahamians Handsomely bright and intelligent are still banging thier head over this stone age old story.
when i lived in Nassau every body Knew everyone and what they did we are all one family. Ploitics, and Religion devides us. Bahamians Need to learn to let it go, Look at all the other successful country around us America for instence it shows that there is a lot of space for all. if you dont like Gays and lesbian just be very lebrial about it. Belive it or not i live in Both Georgia ATL and Florida now how Gay can that get! but they dont fight the gays do what pleases them and the strights do what pleases them and every one is happy. if for some reason or the other some gay guy approches me, and it has happend i am a yellow bone "brown skin Educated man" Not braging but it does i just simply smile and say hay i dont go that way and most americans respect your wishes and let you be, Gays just dont jump on you and start screwing you for no reason, if so it will be the first time in the west i've heard
or read about it. I work with lesbians gays stright and we communicate as ordernary citizens.

I could be wrong AND CLEARIFY ME, But it CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE BAHAMAS HAS NO SOCIAL TOLERANCE FOR DIFFRENCE AND THE BAHAMIANS THAT I KNOW ARE VERY TOLARANT JUST LIVE AND LET LIVE GOD ONLY IS THE JUDGE EVERY MAN MAKES MISTAKES WHERE WOUD WE BE IF WE DIDENT PEOPLE WE NEED TO LEARN TO FORGIVE.


I really must applaud you. It is remarkable that you are able to be so kind hearted despite what you have been through. It gives me hope that there are decent people out there...

I guess you dont know much about her. http://www.udhr.org/history/Biographies/bioer.htm

You are right, I know more about the plight that black americans suffered as she lived in the white house. My point is she can never understand nor appreciate the injustices that has happened to the black man.

whatever the circumstances and who ever said it the statement is definintly true. nobody could bring me down except for me

That is what kunta kenta said, before the chop of his foot!

it really irritates me when i discuss homosexuality (amongst friends/family) and they (ALWAYS) up pedophilia! :what: WTF? totally different! apples and oranges! sad thing is, many people dony WANT to understand the difference.



Thanks Finke!! and i agree Abiskan....they are entirely unrelated.

Thanks Finke!! and i agree Abiskan....they are entirely unrelated.
Oh yes they are,what Chickoi mentioned should be considered a Homosexual Pedophile.

Oh yes they are,what Chickoi mentioned should be considered a Homosexual Pedophile.


pediphia and homosexuality are related? how so

pediphia and homosexuality are related? how so
Did I say they are exclusively related? All I'm saying is lets not play with words. The same way that there are Hetrosexual pedophiles, there also Homosexual Pedophlies. Hope this helps.

I was hoping you guys & Girls may want to read this, and give your thoughts on it
The problem of early self- labeling as homosexual, without the Facts
Purpose
This page provides alternatives to the widely held belief "once gay - always gay"!
All boys will experience a homosexual phase during their teenage years - most will pass through to a sexual interest in girls.

Definitions:

Fantasy
Sexual imaginations, usually about another person.

Puberty
The stage of life when the physical changes from boy to man are occurring.

Heterosexual
Having a sexual attraction to the opposite sex

Homosexual
Having a sexual attraction to the same sex. The term homosexual should be read on this site to mean "same-gender attracted youth". It is a more accurate definition when we consider that without external influence, many youth who experience these feelings of attraction are not on a path to becoming gay! (10)
Homosexuality is mostly "discovered" in your life rather than being "chosen".

Bisexual
Having a sexual attraction to both sexes

Gay
A social and political identity. Having embraced the homosexual lifestyle for yourself


Some boys, who have had homosexual desires for as long as they can remember, will not pass out of this without intervention (outside help) - no matter how hard they try. There are answers for guys in this situation if they want to change!



What happens if I label myself as 'gay' too early?
To label yourself early as 'gay' (often with the help of bullying friends) can become a self fulfilling prophecy - you begin to make decisions and adopt actions based on your label. This then reinforces the original decision in an accelerating confirmation in your mind. All this happening when you would most likely would have passed through this phase to the next. You are now locked into an identity where you may not have been if you didn't try to categorize yourself so early in your life.

Another study showed that early self-labeling as homosexual or bisexual is one of the top three risk factors for homosexual teen suicide attempts. The risk of suicide decreases by 80 percent for each year that a young person delays homosexual or bisexual self-labeling. (29)

Rather than affirming teens as gay, counselors should affirm them as individuals, but encourage them to wait until adulthood to make choices about sexuality. (30)

Q: In some schools it has become chic to "come out" as a gay, lesbian or bisexual teen. Programs like Project 10 and gay student clubs encourage this. What's your reaction?

The Big Picture(Puberty/Hero Worship)

Every boy will experience an "attraction to the same gender" phase in his life, especially during early puberty. Another name for this phase is "hero worship". It occurs because the boy's developing mind subconsciously seeks other males to demonstrate the type of man the boy will develop into. The boy will have an intense interest in other males and will be captivated by aspects of the male he sees as valuable qualities to have. He will set the course for his life on the qualities he admires in his "heroes". Phrases such as "I want to be like ........... when I grow up" show the mental process in motion.

The completion of this phase requires the boy to have taken on a masculine identity through identifying with males and to know that he is welcomed and accepted as a male by the important adult males in his life. After this successful completion there is a much stronger and growing attraction to females which will then continue for the rest of the boy's life.

Masculinity is bestowed. A boy learns who he is and what he's got from a man or the company of men. He cannot learn it any other place. He cannot learn it from other boys, and he cannot learn it from the world of women. (40)
Problems arise when a boy tries to bypass this natural phase through fear he is becoming homosexual or that others will think he is gay or because of a perceived rejection of the men around him. Another problem can be lack of interest from any adult males. When this need for internal male identity is unfulfilled, it can carry on into adulthood and become a driving force in his sexual desire, usually manifesting as homosexual (same gender) attraction. The man is still trying to make that psychological connection to males that never happened when he was younger.



A: A study reported in Pediatrics, the journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics (Vol. 89, April, 1992) surveyed 34,707 Minnesota teenagers reported that 26 percent of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are heterosexual or homosexual. This is significant because only about 2 percent will actually identify as homosexual in adulthood. This means that almost 24 percent may erroneously (wrongly) be identified as homosexual if they are affirmed as gay at age 12! (30)

The Concerns:
The Question Is who will ansawer the following without prejudging.


Does masturbating mean I'm homosexual?
If I get an erection around other boys, does that mean I'm homosexual?
If I don't have a girlfriend, does that mean I'm homosexual?
I'm still a virgin, does that mean I could be homosexual (or frigid)?
I had a sexual dream about another boy, does that mean I'm homosexual?
Could I have been born homosexual?
A man tried to get me into his car - does that mean I'm attractive to gays?
What is gay and what is not gay?
I have fantasies about other males, does that mean I am homosexual?

"Stuff" is going to happen to every boy as they go through puberty which will make them wonder if they are homosexual.

You need to know that this is a normal development phase which every boy passes through. If you don't have a clear understanding of this fact you could wrongly convince yourself that you are homosexual or gay.

This is a time you should choose not to act on these impulses, because things can change a lot over a few years. It is important to understand how puberty can play these tricks on a boy because......Once a boy believes he is homosexual or gay......."As a man thinks in his heart, so is he!" (13)

Hi There!

What about this point of view???
The Various Faces And/Or Thinking
Regarding Homosexuality


The question is often asked, “How could a child at the young age of four (4) years, as well as older children, learn to be feminine”? The reasoning is, so the child had to be “Born that way”. The question is also asked, what about the X/Y Chromosomes etcetera, etcetera? In this chapter, I will try to explain one of the “Spiritual” ways in which this type of behavior can and do develop. In so doing, I will share pertinent information as it relates to the “Various Faces and/or Thinking” regarding the homosexual lifestyle. Believe me, from my perspective; homosexuality is a “Mind Set”.


Generational Curses (Exodus 20: 5)

When we look at “Generational Curses”, as black people, we have to look at what may have happened for generations back in our family’s history. We could look as far back as our ancestral generations. Yes, we should consider that while our ancestors were Slaves, some of the Slave Masters did some degrading things to their male slaves. Tracing family history, the likelihood that most of these very same male slaves are the Great, Great, Great Grandfathers of some of us, could in all probability be proven. The Bible speaks about the sins of the Father visiting the children, unto the third and fourth generation. This is a reality and a true example of the biblically referenced “Generational Curse”. Evil Spirits can and do operate in families from one generation to the next generation, carrying out their diabolical plan to destroy and negatively impact families. (Exodus 20: 5, Jeremiah 32: 18, Hosea 4: 6). It is very interesting to note that the scripture speaks of the “Iniquity of the Father”. In Malachi 4: 5-6, God says he will turn the hearts of children back to the Father (not the Mother). The word “Iniquity” in the Old Testament is the Hebrew word “Avown”, meaning “Perversity”. Sin is a “Perversity”, of that which is right. God’s Word is right, and whenever we deviate from it, we are guilty of iniquity. To “Pervert” means, “… to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true or morally right”.

Please note that it is very important that we know that there is always a cause, behind a curse. Curses cannot affect our lives without a reason. The cause of a curse is iniquity. When we disobey God’s Word and deviate from it, we open the door for a curse to enter our lives and circumstances. The curse affects not only the person through whom the curse entered, but continues down through that person’s descendants as well. The curse continues down the bloodline, until it is stopped by repentance and by appropriating the faith needed for redemption, provided by Christ through the Cross. Remember, the reason curses can perpetuate themselves, is because descendants are usually guilty of the same sins as were committed by the Fathers. When certain types of sin enter into a family, they open the door for certain spirits to travel from generation to generation. We tend to learn the ways of our ancestors to some degree. In this manner, sins can become and create a cycle of destruction, from one generation to another generation. I do believe that a Father’s choices and behavior, plays a major role in determining the type of future his children has, as it relates to the various curses. So men, be careful regarding the things you become involved with during your lifetime. Likewise, ladies be very careful of the man you choose to father your children. Now ladies, I am not saying that you need to find the perfect man, because perfect men do not exist. The idea here, is to make sure that the man you choose, knows and have the “Power” to break whatever the generational curse is, that might be in his family line. These curses include; a violent temper, sexual abuse, incest, rape, homosexuality and the list goes on.

Now lets look at some of the “Faces” of one of these curses, “homosexuality”. Please keep in mind that homosexuality is just a symptom of other root causes.

Moving On From Puberty:

The subject of “Puberty”, in my opinion, has been taken too lightly and not talked about or explained to boys, as it should be. Many of our boys have no one to talk to, when it comes to knowing what to expect and what to do during puberty. Some boys don’t even know what puberty is. When there is a failure to openly discuss and negotiate, what is a certainty, and a perfectly natural developmental step, which is common to all men everywhere, at one level or another, this opens the door for wrong information to be believed by young boys. There are, as the psychologists point out, progressions from infancy to maturity, which involves processes needed for psychosocial development. When one of these normal processes is neglected, boys are left defenseless, and are likely to get into trouble, as it relates to their sexuality and other identity issues. One of the progressions vital to the development of boys, is that of self-acceptance. This is just a step away from the narcissistic (one’s love or sexual desire for one’s own body, i.e. masturbation). This period of puberty, is that “Auto-erotic,” self-centered phase, when one’s attention is more one’s self. That developmental level, whereby one has accepted himself and has turned his eyes and heart outward toward everything else in the created world. To whatever degree that a boy is not given the information or support needed to understand puberty, during this critical developmental phase of his life, he is likely to find himself stuck in some from of manifestation involving the wrong kind of self-love. The failure to provide him with information and guidance as to how to love himself right, will leave him vulnerable to negative opportunities, to love himself amiss. The rampant, morbid practice of introspection, for example, is one of the most prevalent of these manifestations and the anxious practice it involves, can be as pernicious (destructive, harm done through evil or corrupting of the body and the mind) to personality development, as that of masturbation or homosexuality, when such activities continue beyond puberty. Masturbation and homosexuality are two of the more obvious examples of love turned inward. (For additional information regarding the lack of affirmation - see section on Lesbianism).

When no answers are given to clear up the confusion, regarding these spiritual and physical problems the “I am a follower” mind set develops, as the enemy (Satan) uses these circumstances to shape homosexual behavior as detailed in the chapters following:

The Traders:
He Who Trades Sexual Favors For Money And Other Things

“The Traders” are “The Guys”, who by day, they are gay bashers. Some of them are your average thugs, players, rasters and gang-bangers. Let’s just say that these are the men or teen boys you never expect to be involved in homosexual activities. These are boys and men who might portray themselves to be males who are acceptable by most female standards. That is, your ex-prisoner, non-working male, or lazy male (broke-*** man, they would call them). These males seem to have no real future, or they are persons who are commonly regarded as rejects. Some of them are among those who are on the move between 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. The ideal time when these types of guys, make their ‘Ghost move” and they are in every neighborhood. This is exactly how these traders work. They trade sexual favors for material things; such as tennis, clothes, money and whatever else can be traded. “Now a days”, we have the “Supposed straight guy”, chasing after the gay guys and believe me they know who the gay boy or older men are. You might ask how does this happens, or shouldn’t it be the other way around? Yes! One would think so, but not these days. The explanation, this happens because of the “Bombardment” of sexual programs, through satellites and sex videos. When such guys get an appetite for sex, he just wants a release. When these guys can’t get the girl they had planned for, then they go after the gay guys. They know where the gay guys can be found, or some are even bold enough, to visit one of the known four (4) gay clubs. Many of them even pick up the gay guys “Off the street”, late at nights. Believe me these gay guys know where to go, and who to go to.

A point worth taking into consideration, is that our local prison is not a gay prison. Yet gay sex goes on in our prison. When these guys get out of prison, they vow to leave that behavior back there. Only to find out that after their release from prison, that it is not that easy to turn away from their homosexual behaviour, as they thought it would be. Yet another reason is that these persons often lack funds, or are rejected by females. They then find themselves back having gay sex. Remember that these are the same guys, who would almost kill, to keep their homosexual behaviour a secret.

We are taught that sexual addiction happens because of stress and depression. So the situation arises, where you have a guy who is not working, searching for his identity, and is then rejected by the females of our society, etcetera, etcetera. Such a person could then perhaps feel that just having sex would take his mind of his problems and give him a release. These days, it is seemingly easier to “Get a sexual experience with a male”, and then be paid to do so, than it is to have sex with most of our females, who are themselves, looking for something too.

Now in their minds, these men don’t see themselves as being gay, or as a homosexual, because “They really don’t participate in the act willingly”, according to them. They will, however, allow the gay person to “Masturbate them or give them oral sex, body massages and other sexual favors”. To understand this, you will have to read the chapter on a homosexual person’s sexual addictions. These guys often hide behind the cover of letting people assume that they might be selling drugs. This they do, in an effort to cover up where they are really getting their money from, and what they are doing to earn the money.

Seventy percent (70%) of these “Traders”, go on to become bi-sexual, because of their addiction to the pleasurable sexual aspect of their immoral sexual behavior. Sixty percent (60%) of our male prisoners engage in bi-sexual behavior, as alternate means of relieving their sexual energy, while in prison. Please keep this in mind that an alternate sexual behavior, is not among the things males will talk about to anyone, because of the fear of being treated like an outcast. To date, there are even”Gay Bars”, for the thug, the gang banger, and ex-prisoner. These gay bars are called the “Ghetto Bars”, here locally in The Bahamas.

On the club scene, these young males and females would usually go out as a couple. In actuality, going out as a couple is just for show, while they use each other to pick-up members of the same sex, for each other. This goes on not only at gay clubs, but at the “Straight Clubs” as well and also at other social events here in the Bahamas a lot.

Thanks
John R.

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