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On a serious note *what difference would it make if he returns?* Because really the only difference between the FNM & PLP is a preception.

On a serious note *what difference would it make if he returns?* Because really the only difference between the FNM & PLP is a preception.

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On a serious note *what difference would it make if he returns?* Because really the only difference between the FNM & PLP is a preception.

Big difference. It's called competition, the driving force of any system - natural or man-made.

He should come back, if only to make our political culture truly competitive once again. When a party gets into power and sees that they do not have a strong opposition, all hell breaks loose - like it is now (at least for the people who don't kiss behinds very well).

One requirement of his return would be that he comes back with the same fire he had before. The style that he had was a tad bit “bigetty”, but in this slack culture that we are developing now, we need strong leadership from all sides of the political fence. A strong opposition will, by default, provoke a strong government.

When will we in The Bahamas learn that "party politics" is a dangerous game to play, especially in dealing with our country's fragile future? We only end up stifling the progress of our entire society because of some politician who tends to choose the "best" persons from "their" party to get things done, instead of the "best" person from "any" party to do the job. Of course, these "select" persons sometimes tend to misuse their loyalty reward and botch things in the long run, but it doesn't matter anyhow - their politician will help them smooth everything over. After all, they already made the money they wanted to get out of the deal. Why bother?

In that regard, I guess that I'm an idealist and much in the minority when it comes to my opinion on politics in The Bahamas. It is best for our leaders to choose the best people for the job regardless of their party affiliations and there is no doubt we ALL will benefit.

Lining the pockets of you and your political friends is not the objective of being in power. The objective is continuously moving the country forward, upward and onward.

Anyhow, back on topic. Yeah, he should come back. It’s time for some serious political competition. Those currently in power need to be matched head-to-head with those of the same political will, calibre and experience – this is the only way to make sure that everyone stays at the top of their political game, instead of carelessly stacking up mistake after mistake.

And may the best party win - for the betterment of the nation, nothing less!

After you said all that,I still havn't seen you mention any differece between the two parties.They both believe the people owe them something (when they are the PUBLICS servants).They will both sell out this country in the name of jobs (trickle down effect) and neither has any vision on the diversification of this countries economy.Untill one of them comes with a platform that shows a positive direction they intend to take this country in,I'll continue to say "so what". :bored:

After you said all that,I still havn't seen you mention any differece between the two parties.They both believe the people owe them something (when they are the PUBLICS servants).They will both sell out this country in the name of jobs (trickle down effect) and neither has any vision on the diversification of this countries economy.Untill one of them comes with a platform that shows a positive direction they intend to take this country in,I'll continue to say "so what". :bored:

You missed the point. Competition.

It really doesnt matter to me how much the two parties are different from each other. In fact, that makes things a bit more simple for this country on the whole.

As long as those two organizations are fighting "tooth and nail" doing good to get votes and minimizing the amount of mistakes and problems associated with their "rule", this country will benefit - end of story. They both might not have a proper "vision" for the future yet, but let them keep on trying to be better than the other - they'll eventually have to develop better vision in order to win.

Putting "older war dogs" against each other right now will produce better results than if we allow one side to dominate the "new", who haven't learned all the tricks yet.

Do you see my point? We don't have much of a "choice" to select from at the current moment, but the people must learn to manipulate those "choices" to their benefit.

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Yes, I agree, even though there my be a slight difference between the two leading parties I do think that HI should return and take leadership.
It was a grand mistake in the first place to have put Tommy and Deon at the top of the FNM leadership, they were not ready and I think the Bahamian people did the FNM party a favor by voting the PLP into power, this reserved the opportunity to have the FNM remain a serious political party.

Had Tommy and Deon won, I am certain this might have ruined the opportunity for the FNM to be taken as a serious political party again. Even though the PLP is not worth a drop in the bucket this country stood a better chance with the PLP holding the fort for the main time until the FNM get its act together once again.

This is a clever maneuver of Hubert returning to leadership in the FNM, this places the FNM in a more ready state politically hopefully as the better party to steer this country from veering further of course. With Hubert I think the people will do this country a favor by returning the FNM to power once again until the PLP can get their act together once again, hopefully.

Big difference. It's called competition, the driving force of any system - natural or man-made.

He should come back, if only to make our political culture truly competitive once again. When a party gets into power and sees that they do not have a strong opposition, all hell breaks loose - like it is now (at least for the people who don't kiss behinds very well).

One requirement of his return would be that he comes back with the same fire he had before. The style that he had was a tad bit “bigetty”, but in this slack culture that we are developing now, we need strong leadership from all sides of the political fence. A strong opposition will, by default, provoke a strong government.

When will we in The Bahamas learn that "party politics" is a dangerous game to play, especially in dealing with our country's fragile future? We only end up stifling the progress of our entire society because of some politician who tends to choose the "best" persons from "their" party to get things done, instead of the "best" person from "any" party to do the job. Of course, these "select" persons sometimes tend to misuse their loyalty reward and botch things in the long run, but it doesn't matter anyhow - their politician will help them smooth everything over. After all, they already made the money they wanted to get out of the deal. Why bother?

In that regard, I guess that I'm an idealist and much in the minority when it comes to my opinion on politics in The Bahamas. It is best for our leaders to choose the best people for the job regardless of their party affiliations and there is no doubt we ALL will benefit.

Lining the pockets of you and your political friends is not the objective of being in power. The objective is continuously moving the country forward, upward and onward.

Anyhow, back on topic. Yeah, he should come back. It’s time for some serious political competition. Those currently in power need to be matched head-to-head with those of the same political will, calibre and experience – this is the only way to make sure that everyone stays at the top of their political game, instead of carelessly stacking up mistake after mistake.

And may the best party win - for the betterment of the nation, nothing less!

Very wise statements. The only problem I have is that Hubert should remain where he is...on the sidelines. Why? To show the people that he is a man of his word, and when he says two terms he means only two terms. The FNM should choose another strong person to lead. Someone like Neko Grant. He can command attention and he is a very intelligent person.

You missed the point. Competition.

It really doesnt matter to me how much the two parties are different from each other. In fact, that makes things a bit more simple for this country on the whole.

As long as those two organizations are fighting "tooth and nail" doing good to get votes and minimizing the amount of mistakes and problems associated with their "rule", this country will benefit - end of story. They both might not have a proper "vision" for the future yet, but let them keep on trying to be better than the other - they'll eventually have to develop better vision in order to win.

Putting "older war dogs" against each other right now will produce better results than if we allow one side to dominate the "new", who haven't learned all the tricks yet.

Do you see my point? We don't have much of a "choice" to select from at the current moment, but the people must learn to manipulate those "choices" to their benefit.

Sad thing about that is: that there are times nothing gets done, because of the red tape, and the constant bickering....Each side wanting to prove a point; to win the debate; concluding with nothing!

After you said all that,I still havn't seen you mention any differece between the two parties.They both believe the people owe them something (when they are the PUBLICS servants).They will both sell out this country in the name of jobs (trickle down effect) and neither has any vision on the diversification of this countries economy.Untill one of them comes with a platform that shows a positive direction they intend to take this country in,I'll continue to say "so what". :bored:


In this present political climate I can see how you can draw that conclusion. The present PLP administration has done several innovative things, but I do agree that it appears that their main "plan" for economic "growth" is through foreign investment in hotels and even the often touted second-home market. We all are mature and smart enough to know that this is the same economic model that was brithed by Sir Stafford Sands and as such is dredfully old and in my view completely outdated. On top of all that, there is a mountain of economic theory that suggests that this model can truly never enable the Bahamas to obtain developed status.

As far as the return of Mr. Ingraham, I think that obviously he will enliven the political debate, but I also think that his return might cause significant damage to the future sustainability of the FNM party. The FNM (at some point) needs to produce and cultivate its own leader; it can't continue to be seen as the party that taps its leaders from external sources, as that will aximotically erode the integrity of its leaders to come.

On a final note, I was completely disappointed in Senator Turnquest's speech last night. He marched beautifully behind a live Junkanoo parade, but then was flat and unemotive when there are and have been a "cresendo" of voices asking him to be charismatic. A friend once told me that Sen. Turnquest had as much charisma as a desk and apart from the Junkanoo bob that he managed to hobble out, I think he proved my friend right.

To prove my point, I remember that there was a segment of his speech when he began a statement with, "Talk is cheap", and finished with, "..action speaks louder..." or something like that. This would have been a perfect opportunity to cite the Bahamian colloquialism, "Talk is cheap and money buy land"; this would of course been more "connecting" and would have resonated more with what should be Mr. Turnquest's desired audience - ordinary Bahamains. That to me is really Mr. Turnquest's problem - he doesn't connect with the ordinary Bahamian.

On a final note, I was completely disappointed in Senator Turnquest's speech last night. He marched beautifully behind a live Junkanoo parade, but then was flat and unemotive when there are and have been a "cresendo" of voices asking him to be charismatic. A friend once told me that Sen. Turnquest had as much charisma as a desk and apart from the Junkanoo bob that he managed to hobble out, I think he proved my friend right.
To prove my point, I remember that there was a segment of his speech when he began a statement with, "Talk is cheap", and finished with, "..action speaks louder..." or something like that. This would have been a perfect opportunity to cite the Bahamian colloquialism, "Talk is cheap and money buy land"; this would of course been more "connecting" and would have resonated more with what should be Mr. Turnquest's desired audience - ordinary Bahamains. That to me is really Mr. Turnquest's problem - he doesn't connect with the ordinary Bahamian.

You see that too?! I was of the opinion that Tommy had changed, especially after hearing the advert that he was giong to take the PLP to task during the convention. I was SOOOO DISAPPOINTED IN HIS SPEECH! It was soooo boring. He REALLY does not have what it takes. As an individual, I feel that Tommy is a good man, but as a party leader-one needs that charisma. Pindling had it, Hubert has it and Perry has it-Tommy don't! And unfortunately thats what is needed in our society. Half way through his speech I changed channel. Hubert is the MAN!:heartbeat
By the way Carl's speech was dynamic and very enlightening- he's more ready than Tommy!

You see that too?! I was of the opinion that Tommy had changed, especially after hearing the advert that he was giong to take the PLP to task during the convention. I was SOOOO DISAPPOINTED IN HIS SPEECH! It was soooo boring. He REALLY does not have what it takes. As an individual, I feel that Tommy is a good man, but as a party leader-one needs that charisma. Pindling had it, Hubert has it and Perry has it-Tommy don't! And unfortunately thats what is needed in our society. Half way through his speech I changed channel. Hubert is the MAN!:heartbeat
By the way Carl's speech was dynamic and very enlightening- he's more ready than Tommy!

I was moved by Tommy Turnsquest's speech....like they say, "different strokes for different folks"

I was moved by Tommy Turnsquest's speech....like they say, "different strokes for different folks"


Seriously? Which part moved you?

I just can't shake the feeling that Ingraham is not taking all this seriously. He kept saying he would not run, then he will, then he will not - now he is. He was not at the convention last night. He is seldom in the House. It is almost like he has lost his political vigor and is just "funning" with us. I would not be surprised that, if he won leadership, he would back out and decline it. If he was elected leader and did serve I doubt he would serve with the same dedication he showed in the past. Sorry, but I just don't feel his heart is in it anymore.

I just can't shake the feeling that Ingraham is not taking all this seriously. He kept saying he would not run, then he will, then he will not - now he is. He was not at the convention last night. He is seldom in the House. It is almost like he has lost his political vigor and is just "funning" with us. I would not be surprised that, if he won leadership, he would back out and decline it. If he was elected leader and did serve I doubt he would serve with the same dedication he showed in the past. Sorry, but I just don't feel his heart is in it anymore.

all i have to say is - it's a shame brant symonette isnt in the race!