Boy Demos, you are the only person in the Bahamas who has respect for Wells and Dupuch...It says a lot about you and about them!\
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Well, can't say you are wrong, but do you think all those persons who voted for Wells and Dupuch have also lost respect for them?

Can't see how anyone can still have any respect for Algernon Allen as a leader. If I treated you unfairly and you call a big open air meeting and cuss me out publicly [as Allen did to Ingram and Co.], then later come sucking up to me, what kind of respect can you command!!!???

Boy Demos, you are the only person in the Bahamas who has respect for Wells and Dupuch...It says a lot about you and about them!\
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Canewry,

One does not even have to look that far into the past to decipher the FNM's ultimate plot. As noted by V. Alfred Grey last evening...the Tribune carried an article in late September of this year that reads like a script to what occurred at FNM convention last week. Even down to Brent being made deputy leader!

All this while Hubert was assuring Tommy-boy that he had no inclinations on the party's leadership.

Certainly strings have been attached to both their backs and I fear that the puppet masters all hail from the Eastern Road and still have their UBP membership cards in their wallets....

Canewry,
One does not even have to look that far into the past to decipher the FNM's ultimate plot. As noted by V. Alfred Grey last evening...the Tribune carried an article in late September of this year that reads like a script to what occurred at FNM convention last week. Even down to Brent being made deputy leader!
All this while Hubert was assuring Tommy-boy that he had no inclinations on the party's leadership.
Certainly strings have been attached to both their backs and I fear that the puppet masters all hail from the Eastern Road and still have their UBP membership cards in their wallets....



Amazing how people speak of the UBP like it was the KKK.

Amazing how people speak of the UBP like it was the KKK.


What is equally amazing is how people speak of the UBP like it was a branch of Amnesty Int'l! Lest you forget, racial segregation was practiced under their watch. Black Bahamians could not go on certain sections of Montague Beach for lord's sake and couldn't work in the bloody Royal Bank of Canada...!!!! They were NOT the practioners of racial equity but of balck subjugation!

What is equally amazing is how people speak of the UBP like it was a branch of Amnesty Int'l! Lest you forget, racial segregation was practiced under their watch. Black Bahamians could not go on certain sections of Montague Beach for lord's sake and couldn't work in the bloody Royal Bank of Canada...!!!! They were NOT the practioners of racial equity but of balck subjugation!


Who said it was AI? I'm not standing up for the inequality, but IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO! See, you made me use big letters.

Give it up, let it go. Look forward, not in the rear view. If I judged you by the actions of your father, you would be pretty upset because you are an individual. The PLP, FNM, CDR, USA or anyone else can't change what happened then. Aren't you more interested in what the future brings?

Who said it was AI? I'm not standing up for the inequality, but IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO! See, you made me use big letters.
Give it up, let it go. Look forward, not in the rear view. If I judged you by the actions of your father, you would be pretty upset because you are an individual. The PLP, FNM, CDR, USA or anyone else can't change what happened then. Aren't you more interested in what the future brings?
Can you say head in the sand.Or you dn't believe YOU were influenced by your families mentality?

Can you say head in the sand.Or you dn't believe YOU were influenced by your families mentality?



"Head in the sand" Yup, I can say it.

Influence is one thing Marichal, but assuming that the son is identical to the father is something completely different. My father and I see the world in VERY different ways despite his influence on me. I'm sure everyone can same the same thing to varying degrees.

Let's look at the hypothetical logically:
How successful do you think the FNM would be in bringing back the society that existed under the UBP? Don't forget that the PLP (as opposition) will be watching the governments actions very closely, just as the FNM does now with the PLP. International human rights groups would kick and scream, tourist revenue would decline, gov't instability would damage banking industry. It would be political suicide, if they actually had a mind to roll back the clock 40 - 50 years.

What percentage of the current FNM rollcall actually voted for the UBP? Of all the potential candidates, who were alive and able to vote during Pop's reign? I would venture to guess that there aren't too many. Certainly a number of elderly constituants, but not the leaders.

What motivation would the FNM have in repealing laws that have benefitted the country tremendously? The Bahamas is trying to exit a third world economy. Don't you think that the people of the Bahamas would protest, revolt, riot at any suggestion of putting back the standards of inequality?

It just isn't a plausible argument that because Brent Symonette is running for the DPM spot, that all of a sudden black people can't go to Montegue Beach. He's the friggin' MP for Montegue! The PLP of today makes frequent references to the former PLP government, insisting that the regime is different than that of 13 years ago. Yet in the next breath, they say the FNM is the same as the UBP of 40+ years past.

As Sol buys up whats left of Hog Island, think of what this government has allowed in terms of limiting access to the beaches of the Bahamas. It isn't exactly a stellar performance under this crowd either.

Who said it was AI? I'm not standing up for the inequality, but IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO! See, you made me use big letters.
Give it up, let it go. Look forward, not in the rear view. If I judged you by the actions of your father, you would be pretty upset because you are an individual. The PLP, FNM, CDR, USA or anyone else can't change what happened then. Aren't you more interested in what the future brings?



Calm down prowler, I wasn't judging anyone by the actions of their parents. My problem though is how we and in turn History view the UBP and its members. I would hope that they view it accurately and not through these tainted windows that are now so suddenly in vouge. When you do that and make statements that suggest that the UBP was not WRONG for its systems, then you invalidate the struggle for my freedom and thus the freedom itself.

OK?

"Head in the sand" Yup, I can say it.
Influence is one thing Marichal, but assuming that the son is identical to the father is something completely different. My father and I see the world in VERY different ways despite his influence on me. I'm sure everyone can same the same thing to varying degrees.
Let's look at the hypothetical logically:
How successful do you think the FNM would be in bringing back the society that existed under the UBP? Don't forget that the PLP (as opposition) will be watching the governments actions very closely, just as the FNM does now with the PLP. International human rights groups would kick and scream, tourist revenue would decline, gov't instability would damage banking industry. It would be political suicide, if they actually had a mind to roll back the clock 40 - 50 years.
What percentage of the current FNM rollcall actually voted for the UBP? Of all the potential candidates, who were alive and able to vote during Pop's reign? I would venture to guess that there aren't too many. Certainly a number of elderly constituants, but not the leaders.
What motivation would the FNM have in repealing laws that have benefitted the country tremendously? The Bahamas is trying to exit a third world economy. Don't you think that the people of the Bahamas would protest, revolt, riot at any suggestion of putting back the standards of inequality?
It just isn't a plausible argument that because Brent Symonette is running for the DPM spot, that all of a sudden black people can't go to Montegue Beach. He's the friggin' MP for Montegue! The PLP of today makes frequent references to the former PLP government, insisting that the regime is different than that of 13 years ago. Yet in the next breath, they say the FNM is the same as the UBP of 40+ years past.
As Sol buys up whats left of Hog Island, think of what this government has allowed in terms of limiting access to the beaches of the Bahamas. It isn't exactly a stellar performance under this crowd either.


The difference Casual Observer is that those that claim that the PLP party has changed admit that in the past the party did some sh!t...On the other hand, I have never heard any FNM say that the UBP was jacked-up for the stuff they did (save Sir Geoffrey Johnstone).

Brent Symonnette could effectively end all this UBP stupidness - which is itself a jacked-up and silly strategy - by simply declaring that his daddy made some mistakes. He should rightly condemn the past to show all and sundry that he thinks it is / was reprehensible.

Also, Brent put himself in trouble too, when he said that the best time of his life was during the period before 1967 in an earlier interview. WTF, kind of statement was that? That was incredibly insensitive to those whom such a period was discriminatory.

The difference Casual Observer is that those that claim that the PLP party has changed admit that in the past the party did some sh!t...On the other hand, I have never heard any FNM say that the UBP was jacked-up for the stuff they did (save Sir Geoffrey Johnstone).
Brent Symonnette could effectively end all this UBP stupidness - which is itself a jacked-up and silly strategy - by simply declaring that his daddy made some mistakes. He should rightly condemn the past to show all and sundry that he thinks it is / was reprehensible.

Agreed. Everyone should look at those times in the same light and condemn the actions of the forefathers. Every country has done in in one way or another. The US just apologized for pillaging the Nazi trains in '44, taking gold, art, etc from the Nazi's who took it from the Jews.
As you mention, saying that the UBP was wrong also shuts up those politicians who keep bringing it back up like some sort of scare tactic. It's a good idea.


Also, Brent put himself in trouble too, when he said that the best time of his life was during the period before 1967 in an earlier interview. WTF, kind of statement was that? That was incredibly insensitive to those whom such a period was discriminatory.

What did he say was the most enjoyable? I don't know about you, but the best time in my life were my childhood years. No work, all play, some school! Please reply with a full quote of what Brent said, as I am not aware of the comment. If he was referring to the UBP years as the best years because of the social discrimination, then yes, that is very insensitive. If he was talking about schooling in England though, that's a little different.

Brent Symonette do have to do nothing of the sort...

Because no matter what he say or does not say, people will say whatever...

Brent Symonette has every right to be and say whatever he please, when he starts marching to the drum of fools that he becomes just like the rest.

Beside I am 33 years old and all my experience came under BLACK LEADERSHIP!

I am a very BLACK female!

Brent Symonette do have to do nothing of the sort...
Because no matter what he say or does not say, people will say whatever...
Brent Symonette has every right to be and say whatever he please, when he starts marching to the drum of fools that he becomes just like the rest.
Beside I am 33 years old and all my experience came under BLACK LEADERSHIP!
I am a very BLACK female!


The voters in the next election will I guess determine if he should make that statement or at least something similar.

As for providing Casual Observer with Brent's remark that I alluded to earlier, I'll have to check Steve McKinney as he made that remark on his show "Drive Time Talk"...I will get back to you though.

If my father was wealthy and influential and because of these assets my life was better by it why should I apologise to anyone. I dont see any one asking other rich kids to apologise for their life because people disapprove of their parents.

We need to stop being distracted by these things and focus on what will be good for us in the long run.

If I were Mr. Brent, his wife or child I'll leave you with your black leaders (lying, stealing misleading and misthreating you) and take my white wealthy hip and move into a hotel and have you serve me for true!:mad:

We have too much double standards in this country.

That is the same reason why a young man is in jail for Joy Cartwright death and the Pindling son did not have to explain himself...but thats another story:jawdroop:

YOU missed the point.

I didn't see he should apologise for what his father did, but I think he should condemn it - there is a difference. My suggestion was purely a political observation and if I was his stragtegist that's what I'd advise him to do. It's all well and good to live our lives according to how the world "should" be, but as some point we all intersect with this annoying thing called reality and in reality he needs to do that in order to make himself viable as a national leader in this country.