sure did. those sites have been around for quite a while, and are courtesy of the cuban american nationalist front in south florida, who have their own agenda for discrediting castro.

i'm not saying that the accusations are untrue, but i do note that most CANF supporters are descendants of the original landowners whose assets were seized by the granma group during the 1959 revolution. once castro is gone, they expect to waltz right back in and pick up where they left off. which may or may not bode well for the have-nots.


Yes, you're right about those sites, and everybody does have their own agendas. As the wife of someone whose family owned a large plantation, I can tell you that not all Cubans expect to "waltz back in" to claim their confiscated property. Some do, of course, but I believe that a majority of Cubans in Miami realize that you cannot displace the people who have been living in your former home for 40+ years, even though that home was taken illegally.

you certainly make some legitimate points. my beef with most diehard pro or con views of cuba is that they typically come from folks who have never set foot on the island and are instead relying on secondhand reports, that's all. living in cuba is certainly not easy for the 9 million people there. but it's the most casually multicultural place that i have ever been, from kids to adults mixing up colours and languages no matter what they do for a living.

a buddy of mine in old havana is a pediatrician. he's privy to the top medical conferences around the world, is at the top of his profession, has his car and apartment and insurance and food and educational needs taken care of, but only "makes" the equivalent of US $ per month. socialism as an ideal takes care of everyone. while that certainly isn't the case in cuba today, you don't see anyone living on the street.

i don't mean to be an apologist for castro, but the way that cubans live in the many different cities and towns in which i have worked is a calming sight to see. and no, it's not even close to being perfect.

Gee I wonder why so many would want to leave.
Perhaps if the Soviet Union had consulted Castro more they would still be around too.

you certainly make some legitimate points. my beef with most diehard pro or con views of cuba is that they typically come from folks who have never set foot on the island and are instead relying on secondhand reports, that's all. living in cuba is certainly not easy for the 9 million people there. but it's the most casually multicultural place that i have ever been, from kids to adults mixing up colours and languages no matter what they do for a living.
a buddy of mine in old havana is a pediatrician. he's privy to the top medical conferences around the world, is at the top of his profession, has his car and apartment and insurance and food and educational needs taken care of, but only "makes" the equivalent of US $ per month. socialism as an ideal takes care of everyone. while that certainly isn't the case in cuba today, you don't see anyone living on the street.
i don't mean to be an apologist for castro, but the way that cubans live in the many different cities and towns in which i have worked is a calming sight to see. and no, it's not even close to being perfect.

And again I agree with you, Islandgyal. I haven't actually been to Cuba (illegal for me to do so) - all my info is secondhand, and some is from Bahamians who have been there, Cubans who have returned to visit family, and recently arrived Cubans. I do think that, on paper, socialism and even communism looks utopic. Take care of everyone - great idea. I tend to lean toward liberalism myself. Do the socialist and communist ideologies work? Well, communism hasn't worked, but some socialist countries are doing quite well (Scandinavia). I don't know enough about their systems, but I'll bet they don't have an unelected "dictator for life!
As it's after 1 AM here, and I have to babysit my grands tomorrow, I'll be signing off. Nice "talking to you all". See ya again when I reach :)

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We would be able to mobilize a 100,000 people too if they had no choice and this was a dictatorship, Big deal, most free societies do just fine in natural disasters without a dictatorship making them do it.


EXCEPT FOR THE US GOVERNMENT AND NEW ORLEANS HEY...
I GUESS THEY COULD HAVE MOBILIZED ALL THOSE POOR AND BLACK PEOPLE BEFORE AND DURING HURRICANE KATRINA.....
GUESS THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO...

and no they don't even in the bahamas we have to 'ENCOURAGE' people to help others....

TAKE THE SEA-HAULER....
the victims are still haunting the government cause the show of public support was just OVERWHELMING...
i remember the telethon...the walkathon...the danceathon...
and the readathon....
but they only read passags from the bible for that one....

never said the dynamics weren't complex, was just asking conchshell to bring some balance to the discussion...
like there are some things that cuba can do, and they are willing to teach us how to do them, unlike the us...that just wants us to wait for help to arrive...

sure did. those sites have been around for quite a while, and are courtesy of the cuban american nationalist front in south florida, who have their own agenda for discrediting castro.

i'm not saying that the accusations are untrue, but i do note that most CANF supporters are descendants of the original landowners whose assets were seized by the granma group during the 1959 revolution. once castro is gone, they expect to waltz right back in and pick up where they left off. which may or may not bode well for the have-nots.


how will bahamians and americans support a free democratic cuba when that happens...

Oh my friend, I believe you are sadly mistaken. There is not healthcare for all, there isn't even aspirin for all! How many Bahamians has the US Coast Guard intercepted coming across the Gulf Stream on rafts? None? Why not? Why don't you want to live here instead of the Out Islands? I know why - because even with a healthcare system on Eleuthera that is wanting, you have your freedom - (and I'd rather live in the Bahamas too, but I can't just yet! :) Freedom is a very, very precious thing that hundreds of Cubans risk their lives for every year by: crossing the straits in rafts, tires, sailboards, autos rigged to float; protesting their government and getting thrown into jail for it; worshipping God (before the Pope's visit this was very taboo).
They also come for economic reasons, and that brings me to your Cuban friends who won the lottery yet chose to stay. I know many many Cubans here in Miami who have recently arrived, and some want to return. Ya know why? They have to W-O-R-K here in order to live! What a concept. In Cuba, the lack of capitalism prevents an open marketplace and encourages a black market, dog-eat-dog so I can survive and feed my family mentality.


BAHAMIAN PREFER TO IMMIGRATE ON BAHAMASAIR AND AMERICAN AIRLINES...oh wait bahamians are inherently better than cubans, so the americans don't really mind when bahamians 'relocate' to the states...

i think you meant cultural imperialism dressed up to look like freedom is a very very precious thing that cubans risk their lives for every year...

cause what you said was that many cubans leave because they think the grass is greener on the states-side....

BAHAMIAN PREFER TO IMMIGRATE ON BAHAMASAIR AND AMERICAN AIRLINES...oh wait bahamians are inherently better than cubans, so the americans don't really mind when bahamians 'relocate' to the states...
i think you meant cultural imperialism dressed up to look like freedom is a very very precious thing that cubans risk their lives for every year...
cause what you said was that many cubans leave because they think the grass is greener on the states-side....


... bey, you dis diss we bahamians na, sorry everyone eeeen like the mudda pratt that you know...

... bey, you dis diss we bahamians na, sorry everyone eeeen like the mudda pratt that you know...


BAHAMIANPRIDE FAN CLUB

Whatsayu is inviting all BI members to join him in celebrating the sensation that is BAHAMIANPRIDE...

please join in the festivities
so someone can join whatsayu in his obsession for everything
BAHAMIAN PRIDE

WHATSAYU find someone to share your obsession with...i don't think i am the most appropriate person...DO YOU?

We would be able to mobilize a 100,000 people too if they had no choice and this was a dictatorship, Big deal, most free societies do just fine in natural disasters without a dictatorship making them do it.


:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:


Your point about upsetting terrorist by our relationship with the US is spot on but remember most of the tourist comes from the US so I don't no how you could resolve that.

Also when bad things happen anywhere including Cuba and the places where radical Islam makes its bed, the US is usually the country that opens its pocket book and resources to help.
Remember a few years back when the earthquake hit in Iran!!


The question was:

HOW HAS THE BAHAMAS BENEFITED FROM FORMING CLOSER TIES WITH CUBA?

Nah ya gat people coming out trying to defend Cuba's failing socialist ideology.

LOL and dey want to say dey aint Pro-Cuba when it is obvious that they are pro-Cuba and Anti-US.

Our ties with the US have benefited us many times over but what has Cuba done for us?

Why would the government want to align the Bahamas with a country whose citizens run for the boarders as soon as the sun sets :sailing: .

What are they running from? :sailing: What are they afraid of? :sailing: Actions speak louder than words! :sailing:

The question was:
HOW HAS THE BAHAMAS BENEFITED FROM FORMING CLOSER TIES WITH CUBA?


This is the question!!! I want to see someone answer this one!!! Where is Fred and his "boys" they should have a answer right :gi:

:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
The question was:
HOW HAS THE BAHAMAS BENEFITED FROM FORMING CLOSER TIES WITH CUBA?
Nah ya gat people coming out trying to defend Cuba's failing socialist ideology.
LOL and dey want to say dey aint Pro-Cuba when it is obvious that they are pro-Cuba and Anti-US.
Our ties with the US have benefited us many times over but what has Cuba done for us?
Why would the government want to align the Bahamas with a country whose citizens run for the boarders as soon as the sun sets :sailing: .
What are they running from? :sailing: What are they afraid of? :sailing: Actions speak louder than words! :sailing:

WHY DON'T YOU ASK ALL THE BAHAMIANS FLYING TO THE US...
I WISH YOU DID KNOW ME...i wish you read some posts before accusing me of being pro cuba or anti- us.....

you are funny...funny, funny funny...
listen when you get back to your therapy session at sandilands...
tell them you feeling a little light - headed, and everytime you open your mouth foolishness just keeps pouring out :taped2:

Oh my friend, I believe you are sadly mistaken. There is not healthcare for all, there isn't even aspirin for all! How many Bahamians has the US Coast Guard intercepted coming across the Gulf Stream on rafts? None? Why not? Why don't you want to live here instead of the Out Islands? I know why - because even with a healthcare system on Eleuthera that is wanting, you have your freedom - (and I'd rather live in the Bahamas too, but I can't just yet! :) Freedom is a very, very precious thing that hundreds of Cubans risk their lives for every year by: crossing the straits in rafts, tires, sailboards, autos rigged to float; protesting their government and getting thrown into jail for it; worshipping God (before the Pope's visit this was very taboo).
They also come for economic reasons, and that brings me to your Cuban friends who won the lottery yet chose to stay. I know many many Cubans here in Miami who have recently arrived, and some want to return. Ya know why? They have to W-O-R-K here in order to live! What a concept. In Cuba, the lack of capitalism prevents an open marketplace and encourages a black market, dog-eat-dog so I can survive and feed my family mentality.


:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

It is good that you are able to contribute some first hand knowledge. Welcome.

:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
The question was:
HOW HAS THE BAHAMAS BENEFITED FROM FORMING CLOSER TIES WITH CUBA?
Nah ya gat people coming out trying to defend Cuba's failing socialist ideology.
LOL and dey want to say dey aint Pro-Cuba when it is obvious that they are pro-Cuba and Anti-US.
Our ties with the US have benefited us many times over but what has Cuba done for us?
Why would the government want to align the Bahamas with a country whose citizens run for the boarders as soon as the sun sets :sailing: .
What are they running from? :sailing: What are they afraid of? :sailing: Actions speak louder than words! :sailing:


Well said, Conchshell! And yes, Hobo, alot of people emigrate to the US because they think the grass is greener here. My own grandparents came here from Europe in the 1910's and 20's thinking LITERALLY! that there was gold in the streets. They had to work very hard to make ends meet, and my parents worked even harder as kids of the Great Depression. As for Imperialism, I think the USA IS overbearing and sticking its nose into other countrys' affairs without their asking or wanting it. I myself welcome anyone who wants to come here whether for economic or political reasons. We is all immigrants here, dahlin'.

WHY DON'T YOU ASK ALL THE BAHAMIANS FLYING TO THE US...
I WISH YOU DID KNOW ME...i wish you read some posts before accusing me of being pro cuba or anti- us.....
you are funny...funny, funny funny...
listen when you get back to your therapy session at sandilands...
tell them you feeling a little light - headed, and everytime you open your mouth foolishness just keeps pouring out :taped2:


Sounds like you just come back from Sandilands.....

Well said, Conchshell! And yes, Hobo, alot of people emigrate to the US because they think the grass is greener here. My own grandparents came here from Europe in the 1910's and 20's thinking LITERALLY! that there was gold in the streets. They had to work very hard to make ends meet, and my parents worked even harder as kids of the Great Depression. As for Imperialism, I think the USA IS overbearing and sticking its nose into other countrys' affairs without their asking or wanting it. I myself welcome anyone who wants to come here whether for economic or political reasons. We is all immigrants here, dahlin'.

I think the Cubans are willing to risk death more for freedom than economics although I'm sure that plays a part in it.