Ok CG i see we are in agreement but you dont like the word mandatory, then how would you go about the process?
Abiskan-moon Angel languages? I learnt spanish in school with out ever leaving the island, but more importantly you have missed the point in your own dittsy way.
YorkBrown lol, I call them as i see them, nananananananaaa as CG has said he lives so will you.
Ok CG I know you are a thinker so enligten me on how this progam can be carried out in the bahamas on a national scale?

I'll combine your two questions to me in one answer.

Right now, in our schools there are classes that are part of the curriculum. (Or they were in my time.) I guess one could even call them mandatory:) - English (reading, writing etc.) Math. History, Geography. Spanish. Physical Education and, if they still do it, Civics. It would take little effort to incorporate some of your ten points into those courses.

English - Critical thinking skills could be added here. The student could use the books they are reading and subject them to critical thinking skills. Memory skills could be plowed into this as well.

History could put more stress on our history. PS. Our History is linked to the History of Africa as well as the History of these Islands.

Spanish need not be the only option as a language.

P.E. Could include Martial arts, even teach mental and physical wellness as well.

Civics could be used for teaching Citizenship and even Law.

If I was the Minister of Education I would agitate for such a change. I might even try to convince a Private school to adopt the change. As people began to see the good things that came out of such a program then maybe there would be a demand that other schools follow.

Kids would still be learning the fundamentals but they would be getting the extra benefit of expanding the fundamentals.

If I could only have one of those changes, it would be the Martial Arts - including T'ai Chi. Here a kid would learn discipline, physical well being, mental well being (to a point.) It would increase their self respect and would give them a confidence in themselves - if that is, it was properly taught.

As` i have said in your own dittsy way you have missed the point. yes i did learn spanish at home, and what is great about it is that i use that knowledge gained in school to communicate with my compadres from mexico and other parts of south america, i did not have to go abroad to learn the language. in addition i also had began a study of arabic at home as well , and would have gone on to chinese one of my favorites at home, right in nassau no computer either just old fashion brain power, i dont think they give that out much these days.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Dittzy stikes again.
what is the point?
It is that students are going abroad with out being imparted with a sense of national culture, that before we have any more students go abroad we must impart in them this national culture, then they should go where ever they need to go. do you get it now? that is the underlying premise of my argument, which is why i wrote in your own dittzy way you have miss the point.
No more empty headed students going abroad to study with out a national culture instilled in them, or if you cannot get that concept then,language boarder,and culture is what every student must be proficent in. these are the base of a nation.
Free your mind.


well kudos to you if you think the spanish you learned in school makes you fluent. remember one thing, the ability to have a half-a$$ed conversation in another language doesnt make you fluent. hate to rain on your intellectual parade. and i will add something more, arabic is definitely not a language you will learn properly in nassau. but well, you da man! :uh:

As` i have said in your own dittsy way you have missed the point. yes i did learn spanish at home, and what is great about it is that i use that knowledge gained in school to communicate with my compadres from mexico and other parts of south america, i did not have to go abroad to learn the language. in addition i also had began a study of arabic at home as well , and would have gone on to chinese one of my favorites at home, right in nassau no computer either just old fashion brain power, i dont think they give that out much these days.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Dittzy stikes again.
what is the point?
It is that students are going abroad with out being imparted with a sense of national culture, that before we have any more students go abroad we must impart in them this national culture, then they should go where ever they need to go. do you get it now? that is the underlying premise of my argument, which is why i wrote in your own dittzy way you have miss the point.
No more empty headed students going abroad to study with out a national culture instilled in them, or if you cannot get that concept then,language boarder,and culture is what every student must be proficent in. these are the base of a nation.
Free your mind.



hey yah dumb moron, go find a new playground.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that one should live in poverty! Poverty stinks! A person does have a duty to one's family, and indeed to oneself.


1. Nah. You don't have to tell me that I should live in poverty. But that's what happens. 25,000 a year in Nassau is poverty. And if you are suggesting that I come back to the Bahamas for that -- you are in effect telling me that I should live in poverty.

If that means leaving then one has to leave but one should, after they have "made it" return to help others out of the poverty so many claim to hate..

2. Nah. I have no obligation to people who feel no obligation to me. The reason Ping did it was because he had the support of his people. Support is a two way street. I can't give it if I don't get it. If the Bahamas is not interested in encouraging knowledgeable and skilled Bahamians to invest in their country's future -- then don't expect it to happen.

You say, "My contribution to the Bahamas has already been made. I've lost most of my family and friends." I would ask, "Who has not?"
You also said, "Why should I sacrifice more??" I would ask, "Why not?"

3. I'm sure there are Bahamians who have sacrificed more than me and that are willing to overlook what they've already sacrificed to be crushed even more. I call those people insane. Its like an abuse relationship. If a husband keeps beating his wife senseless, in order to save herself she should leave. How do you love the Bahamas when you don't love yourself?? I love myself. So I have to do for me. Those other idiots apparently don't.

As for your opening remark, "I've found, generally speaking, its people that have never been poor that go around spewing garbage like 'money isn't everything'." It has been my experience that it is those without money that generally says that money is everything. Money is a great help, we need it but it is not everything. Love, family, friends, duty, come closer to "everything." After all, how many $ does one really need? :)


4. Nah. Never said money is everything. Never heard anybody else say it. I doubt you've every heard *ANYBODY* say that money is everything. But I'm pretty sure you've heard the opposite. Don't you think this was a silly comment to make. You simply said the reverse of what I did to prove a point. But the reverse doesn't happen.

1. Nah. You don't have to tell me that I should live in poverty. But that's what happens. 25,000 a year in Nassau is poverty. And if you are suggesting that I come back to the Bahamas for that -- you are in effect telling me that I should live in poverty.
25,000 is all you can make?
2. Nah. I have no obligation to people who feel no obligation to me. The reason Ping did it was because he had the support of his people. Support is a two way street. I can't give it if I don't get it. If the Bahamas is not interested in encouraging knowledgeable and skilled Bahamians to invest in their country's future -- then don't expect it to happen.
That's a point.
3. I'm sure there are Bahamians who have sacrificed more than me and that are willing to overlook what they've already sacrificed to be crushed even more. I call those people insane. Its like an abuse relationship. If a husband keeps beating his wife senseless, in order to save herself she should leave. How do you love the Bahamas when you don't love yourself?? I love myself. So I have to do for me. Those other idiots apparently don't.
You are assuming that everyone feels "crushed."
"How do you love the Bahamas when you don't love yourself?" you said, then you went on to say you love myself. Do you love yourself for yourself or does it depend on your location?
4. Nah. Never said money is everything. Never heard anybody else say it.
You implied it. Your exact quote was "I've found, generally speaking, its people that have never been poor that go around spewing garbage like 'money isn't everything," Therefore you must believe that money is everything or you would not have used the word "garbage." You must have heard it as you used the word "spewing."
I doubt you've every heard *ANYBODY* say that money is everything.
They might not always say it but their actions betray them. And I have heard phrases like "money is the most important thing in life." "I'll do anything for money." "A man is judged by the money he keeps!"
But I'm pretty sure you've heard the opposite. Don't you think this was a silly comment to make. You simply said the reverse of what I did to prove a point. But the reverse doesn't happen.
Yes, it does.

I am not trying to make you, or anyone else, out to be a bad person because they choose to live elsewhere. I just like to know why. For you it is the money, and the lack of respect you feel you deserve it you were to return - that is OK.

25,000 is all you can make?

I'm using my brother as an example. He's been just about everywhere. He's practically given up. Its been 3 years since he's been home. If it takes three years to find a job that makes you feel fulfilled in the Bahamas, one is better off elsewhere.

You are assuming that everyone feels "crushed."
"How do you love the Bahamas when you don't love yourself?" you said, then you went on to say you love myself. Do you love yourself for yourself or does it depend on your location?

Loving yourself for yourself automatically implies that one is willing to do what's best for onesself, including finding a location where one can be happy.


You implied it. Your exact quote was "I've found, generally speaking, its people that have never been poor that go around spewing garbage like 'money isn't everything," Therefore you must believe that money is everything or you would not have used the word "garbage." You must have heard it as you used the word "spewing."

That's a pretty big jump. If I say that I hate women does that automatically imply that I love men?? No. If I hate the cold does that automatically imply that I love the heat?? No. These are conclusions that people frequently jump to when they find it too bothersome to simply ask. I quoted your direct comment -- you drew a conclusion. See the difference??


They might not always say it but their actions betray them. And I have heard phrases like "money is the most important thing in life." "I'll do anything for money." "A man is judged by the money he keeps!"
Yes, it does.

Well. I'm sticking to the context of this discussion and forum.

I am not trying to make you, or anyone else, out to be a bad person because they choose to live elsewhere. I just like to know why. For you it is the money, and the lack of respect you feel you deserve it you were to return - that is OK.


I would've thought this was obvious. My point is, when you're the one with all the opportunity you can't put yourself in the shoes of the people without it. And understanding why becomes an endeavor in futility because you will continue to *ONLY* see your position and defend it as if it were the norm rather than an extreme exception to the rule. Whereas those that have never known the privilege of opportunities not taken or scrounged for have had first hand experience at trying their hand and failing. More than once. They either learn from the foolhearty notion of expecting support from their countrymen and moving elsewhere or they continue to smash their heads against a brick wall. Expecting manna to fall from heaven. Well, I'm not going to wait until the rich die before I realize heaven if I can get it by moving to the US, Canada, China, France, or the Artic Circle.

I'm using my brother as an example. He's been just about everywhere. He's practically given up. Its been 3 years since he's been home. If it takes three years to find a job that makes you feel fulfilled in the Bahamas, one is better off elsewhere.
Loving yourself for yourself automatically implies that one is willing to do what's best for onesself, including finding a location where one can be happy.
That's a pretty big jump. If I say that I hate women does that automatically imply that I love men?? No. If I hate the cold does that automatically imply that I love the heat?? No. These are conclusions that people frequently jump to when they find it too bothersome to simply ask. I quoted your direct comment -- you drew a conclusion. See the difference??
Well. I'm sticking to the context of this discussion and forum.
I would've thought this was obvious. My point is, when you're the one with all the opportunity you can't put yourself in the shoes of the people without it. And understanding why becomes an endeavor in futility because you will continue to *ONLY* see your position and defend it as if it were the norm rather than an extreme exception to the rule. Whereas those that have never known the privilege of opportunities not taken or scrounged for have had first hand experience at trying their hand and failing. More than once. They either learn from the foolhearty notion of expecting support from their countrymen and moving elsewhere or they continue to smash their heads against a brick wall. Expecting manna to fall from heaven. Well, I'm not going to wait until the rich die before I realize heaven if I can get it by moving to the US, Canada, China, France, or the Artic Circle.

Understood. It is your choice. You want the money! Fine, your choice. It is a free country - thanks to those who stood by their guns.

This is a strange thread! Here I am a White guy in a Black Nation, writing to Blacks in a White Nation(s) telling them that a Black Nation could be a great place if everyone worked together, but they would rather live in a White Nation where they feel discriminated against but at least they get paid! A strange world. :voodoo:

Haha!!

No.

South Africa is a predominantly black nation -- need I say more?? The power does not lie in numbers. We've learned that social and political freedom comes from economic freedom. Its a common denominator. Its non-specific. Whites, as racist as they may be, will not devalue the power of a dollar to push racism. They may revoke laws. They may impose apartheid. They may impose Jim Crow. As we've seen in the past. Laws concerning race relations can change at the snap of a finger.

You wonder why blacks cheered when OJ Simpson was acquitted?? Because amidst all of the racial torrents -- the only color that prevail was green. Everybody is the same color when money is involved.

So whites in the US may hate me all they want. As long as I pay, they work just as hard for me as they work for another. Their economic freedom depends on it.

This is a strange thread! Here I am a White guy in a Black Nation, writing to Blacks in a White Nation(s) telling them that a Black Nation could be a great place if everyone worked together, but they would rather live in a White Nation where they feel discriminated against but at least they get paid!

CG, I agree with Mikki on this one.

My career was completely different when I was in the US. Yes, I would run into the occasional racist, but the strange thing is that despite any “superiority” they may have felt, they still respected the fact that I was good at what I did and compensated accordingly. When it is said that the US is the land of opportunity, it is definitely the truth. Don’t mind Black Americans crying “poor mouth” or pulling the race card - They get exactly what they complain about. I’ve personally seen and watched them pull and keep themselves down.

What shocks many young Bahamians about coming back home is the fact that it is your very own who do not allow you the opportunities to shine (unless they are/know your family). They completely disregard your knowledge and/or experience otherwise. The most common refrains are: “A young person like that doesn’t need to be making that much money!” or “I’m not hiring them. Next thing ya know they will have my job!”

Some younger Bahamians have caught on and are clawing their way up the top over here anyway. What is worrying, however, are the large numbers of youth in this country who haven’t gotten a proper education and will continuously have their hands out instead of working hard for what they want. These are the ones who will be easily swayed and fooled by corrupt government and church leaders. Thus the downward spiral of societal corruption and problems is reinforced.

There are too many corrupt practices going on in this country for things to change right away, so perhaps it has to get worse before it gets better. Just hope it doesnt get too much worse.

There are too many corrupt practices going on in this country for things to change right away, so perhaps it has to get worse before it gets better. Just hope it doesnt get too much worse.



Exactly. I hear Bahamians say that we are losing the Bahamas to foreign investors. That's almost music to my ears. Because I know that a foreignor won't care who my cousin-auntie-neighbor-sister-sweetheart-friend is -- as long as I do the job. As racist as South African investors are, if you do the job -- you'll be paid. Its not as if living in the Bahamas makes you immune to racism or discrimination. But to face discrimination *AND* the lack of opportunity is just vexxing.

Haha!!
No.
South Africa is a predominantly black nation -- need I say more?? The power does not lie in numbers. We've learned that social and political freedom comes from economic freedom. Its a common denominator. Its non-specific. Whites, as racist as they may be, will not devalue the power of a dollar to push racism. They may revoke laws. They may impose apartheid. They may impose Jim Crow. As we've seen in the past. Laws concerning race relations can change at the snap of a finger.
You wonder why blacks cheered when OJ Simpson was acquitted?? Because amidst all of the racial torrents -- the only color that prevail was green. Everybody is the same color when money is involved.
So whites in the US may hate me all they want. As long as I pay, they work just as hard for me as they work for another. Their economic freedom depends on it.

I think we have already established that in your case it is the money. All the highfalutin' words really boiled down to $$$$

And in your case its keeping the money out of my hand so that I can't climb out of where you want me to stay. All the empty rallies to patriotism only sounds like the wealthy man's way of finding cheap but skilled labor to me.

You can claim to be concerned about the Bahamas' future -- but all it boils down to is you know you need people like me, but you also no that we have no choice in what is given to us. So rather than wait for a crumb from you -- I can go and find an entire cake.

....There are too many corrupt practices going on in this country for things to change right away, so perhaps it has to get worse before it gets better. Just hope it doesnt get too much worse.

So who is going to lead this push for change? Who is going to challenge these corrupt practices? There does not seem to be much of a groundswell against the way things are in the Bahamas. Perhaps folks like it that way. But if there is a move to change then we must remember that the only thing that gets better all by itself is the common head cold. We need all these foreign trained Bahamian brains to lead the charge!:walk: :walk: :walk: :walk:

And in your case its keeping the money out of my hand so that I can't climb out of where you want me to stay.
...and where is that? We are not doing the old tired race thing again are we?

All the empty rallies to patriotism only sounds like the wealthy man's way of finding cheap but skilled labor to me.
I work for myself. The only person I employ is a gardener! (A Bahamian one by the way!)

You can claim to be concerned about the Bahamas' future -- but all it boils down to is you know you need people like me,
No, the country does. If you stay or come home really makes no difference to my income.

but you also no that we have no choice in what is given to us. So rather than wait for a crumb from you -- I can go and find an entire cake.
Then, "let ‘em eat cake."

...and where is that? We are not doing the old tired race thing again are we?

*YOU* brought up race, remember?? You tried to use it earlier.

I work for myself. The only person I employ is a gardener! (A Bahamian one by the way!)

No you don't. You work for your clients. I'm certain that you don't make products or provide services for you to buy, right?? So you work for somebody else. You may be self-employed, but that's different.


No, the country does. If you stay or come home really makes no difference to my income.

LOL. Oh yes it does. Maybe a lesson in economics might serve you well. But as long as you live in the Bahamas, your income depends on me. And other Bahamians. You don't live in a vaccuum.