I am fascinated by the PLP. It amazes me how such much good will has been squandered so quickly. As I left Grand Bahama Island to visit Nassau on my vacation I wonder how is it that Freeport is still being victimized by the PLP. I have no faith in either the PLP nor the FNM. They both stink of the same old corrupt Bahamian politicians. All for me and catering to the white knights out east.

Foreigners come into the bahamas and run wild. They post job positions that that are obviously not factual in nature and nothing has been done to address this to date. These boys come to the Bahamas and make twice as much as my Bahamian brothers and Sisters and yet we still have to teach them how to do the job.

I long for the day that we have another visionary, another L. O. Pindling. I mean the young L. O. Pindling who united a country under the theme of freedom and self government.

I will now leave work for the day, Wall Street has wiped me out today, but know this my prayers are with the Bahamas in this time unrest.

[QUOTE=Hit'em hard boy]

I will now leave work for the day, Wall Street has wiped me out today, but know this my prayers are with the Bahamas in this time unrest.

Excuse me you, but to which country are you referring?
Certainly not The Bahamas....there is no 'unrest' there...do enlighten us.

[QUOTE=Hit'em hard boy]
I will now leave work for the day, Wall Street has wiped me out today, but know this my prayers are with the Bahamas in this time unrest.
Excuse me you, but to which country are you referring?
Certainly not The Bahamas....there is no 'unrest' there...do enlighten us.

he was right... political and social unrest, that is
not to long befor ethe economic unrest follows the way thins looking

Aw plaaaaeeeeezzzze!

Do not confuse political ferver for unrest in The Bahamas. We are an emotional people and our politics is a leading catalyst to bring those emotions to head.

Church, family, money and politics are the hot buttons for most Bahamians. Some even fight to protect their views and positions on these issues. But for the most part we are only 'a bag full of mouth.' or hard mouth....

Aw plaaaaeeeeezzzze!
Some even fight to protect their views and positions on these issues. .

do i ever know about that ;)

I wonder whether, given the current political climate -ANY of the candidates are outlining their plans for the future? really, isnt that the purpose of a convention? or is this just a mud-slinging fest? enquiring minds want to know, and of course, I havent had the chance to watch the conventions so i might be wrong...but from what i read in the news...

Minister Urges Tommy To Join PLP
Candia Dames
It is coming as no surprise to many political observers that government officials at this week’s Progressive Liberal Party convention are taking stabs at Free National Movement officials over what the PLP sees as the betrayal of former FNM leader Senator Tommy Turnquest.

Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Local Government V. Alfred Gray excited the crowd at the PLP convention last night when he took a swipe at the new leadership of the Free National Movement.

In fact, Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Local Government V. Alfred Gray last night urged Mr. Turnquest to join the PLP and save himself "from further deceit and deception."

The issue is being played up in speeches and even in prayer at the convention underway at the Wyndham Nassau Resort.

On Monday night, Minister of Social Services and Community Development Melanie Griffin accused former Prime Minister Hubert Ingraham, the new FNM leader, of being of a double-mind.

"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways," she said to a cheering crowd. "This very aptly describes the new leadership of the FNM and if you don’t believe me, ask Tommy, and ask Dion [Foulkes]. They have not changed. They cannot change. A leopard cannot change his spots."

And last night, Minister Gray, wanted to know why Mr. Ingraham "Did Tommy like Dat".

"Tommy, don’t let them fool you buddy; that was a plot and a plan. So brother, join the PLP and save yourself from further deceit and deception."

Minister Gray was referring to Mr. Ingraham’s decision to enter the leadership race less than 24 hours after he assured Mr. Turnquest that he had no plan to do so.

Before getting into the substantive portion of his speech, Minister Gray also took time to respond to some of the things FNM speakers said last week during their convention.

He took a direct shot at Dion Foulkes, the former deputy leader of the FNM, who leveled many charges against the PLP administration and convicted the government of them all.

"He did so in most cases without a fair trial," Minister Gray said.

"Tonight, I wish to charge him with failure to secure his own seat as deputy leader and I also charge him for handing it over, not to an FNM, but to a UBP and I can tell you brother, the Bahamian people ain’t going back there.

"Fellow delegates, could you imagine, God forbid, that they should win, and something were to happen to Hubiggity, that we would be back in the hands of the UBP? Please don’t let me imagine that."

Minister Gray was referring directly to the election of Brent Symonette, whose father, Sir Roland Symonette, the first premier in The Bahamas under internal self government from 1964 to 1967.

Sir Roland was leader of the United Bahamian Party.

Minister Gray also indicated that Member of Parliament for North Eleuthera Alvin Smith took a swipe at him at the FNM convention last week by suggesting that because licences were issued for the controversial Korean boats, he (Minister Gray) should be fired.

"Let me say unequivocally that as minister responsible for fisheries, I take full responsibility for all that happens in my ministry," he said.

But Minister Gray reiterated that when the licences were issued he was in Panama along with his permanent secretary.

"Therefore I did not know of nor did I authorize the issuance of those licences," Minister Gray said.

"However, I can say and I challenge Smith or anyone else to provide otherwise, that upon my return from Panama, having looked at the documents which were presented to me by the Fisheries Department, the licences were immediately ordered revoked and cancelled and the boats were ordered out of The Bahamas after I discovered from the documents that they were not Bahamian owned."

The Korean Boat issue became a major debacle just months after the PLP came to power. It eventually led to the resignation of Holy Cross MP Sidney Stubbs from the Bahamas Agricultural and Industrial Corporation (BAIC) where he had served as executive chairman

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I wonder whether, given the current political climate -ANY of the candidates are outlining their plans for the future? really, isnt that the purpose of a convention? or is this just a mud-slinging fest? enquiring minds want to know, and of course, I havent had the chance to watch the conventions so i might be wrong...but from what i read in the news...

You are correct, but that is the thing with the Bahamas, Conventions are not only to clear up any bad media involving the party but it is also to lay you vision on the table for the country's future. But all we want to do is here our leader insult somebody or give brief sermon or do a dance:dancer: .

I long for the day when our politics will be like the USA:usa: , where they have conventions for a reason to choose the leader of their party (*the FNM does this) and then have a debate between both leaders in a forum about issues of the day:raw: .

From what I could see they switching roles in the PLP.

Mother Pratt who is minister of National Security was talking bout getting back to family values and Melanie Griffith who is minister of social services was talking bout Urban Renewal.

While giving a honest speech the other night, Mother Pratt said the stupidest thing...She said that we dont need to arm our police force to combat crime, we need to get back to family values. WTF?

While I agree that getting back to family values is needed we must understand that that will take time. If everyone started to Toe the line' and raise their children right, we will see the results in another generation or so. We need to arm our police force with the tools they need NOW to combat the criminals NOW, who have weapons of their own NOW, while we wait for getting back to family values to kick in.

Minister Urges Tommy To Join PLP
Candia Dames
It is coming as no surprise to many political observers that government officials at this week’s Progressive Liberal Party convention are taking stabs at Free National Movement officials over what the PLP sees as the betrayal of former FNM leader Senator Tommy Turnquest.
They really care about Tommy's well being, don't they? It's so nice to see them concerned for the person they would have preferred to beat up in the next election. Bunch of snakes in the grass, man

Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Local Government V. Alfred Gray excited the crowd at the PLP convention last night when he took a swipe at the new leadership of the Free National Movement.
In fact, Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Local Government V. Alfred Gray last night urged Mr. Turnquest to join the PLP and save himself "from further deceit and deception."
The issue is being played up in speeches and even in prayer at the convention underway at the Wyndham Nassau Resort.
On Monday night, Minister of Social Services and Community Development Melanie Griffin accused former Prime Minister Hubert Ingraham, the new FNM leader, of being of a double-mind.
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways," she said to a cheering crowd. "This very aptly describes the new leadership of the FNM and if you don’t believe me, ask Tommy, and ask Dion [Foulkes]. They have not changed. They cannot change. A leopard cannot change his spots."
And last night, Minister Gray, wanted to know why Mr. Ingraham "Did Tommy like Dat".

If the leopard can't change it's spots, why is the PLP asking Tommy to change sides?

"Tommy, don’t let them fool you buddy; that was a plot and a plan. So brother, join the PLP and save yourself from further deceit and deception."
Minister Gray was referring to Mr. Ingraham’s decision to enter the leadership race less than 24 hours after he assured Mr. Turnquest that he had no plan to do so.
Before getting into the substantive portion of his speech, Minister Gray also took time to respond to some of the things FNM speakers said last week during their convention.
He took a direct shot at Dion Foulkes, the former deputy leader of the FNM, who leveled many charges against the PLP administration and convicted the government of them all.
"He did so in most cases without a fair trial," Minister Gray said.

Like anyone in power actually makes it to trial. Talk to your boy Roberts about that one. Notice that Gray follows the same line he just complained about (no trial) when he makes the rest of his statement below. This means that it's unfair for the FNM to criticize the PLP, but not the other way around?

"Tonight, I wish to charge him with failure to secure his own seat as deputy leader and I also charge him for handing it over, not to an FNM, but to a UBP and I can tell you brother, the Bahamian people ain’t going back there.
"Fellow delegates, could you imagine, God forbid, that they should win, and something were to happen to Hubiggity, that we would be back in the hands of the UBP? Please don’t let me imagine that."

Failing to secure a seat isn't a crime, jackhole. The UBP reference is idiotic and cheap.

Minister Gray was referring directly to the election of Brent Symonette, whose father, Sir Roland Symonette, the first premier in The Bahamas under internal self government from 1964 to 1967.
Sir Roland was leader of the United Bahamian Party.
Minister Gray also indicated that Member of Parliament for North Eleuthera Alvin Smith took a swipe at him at the FNM convention last week by suggesting that because licences were issued for the controversial Korean boats, he (Minister Gray) should be fired.
"Let me say unequivocally that as minister responsible for fisheries, I take full responsibility for all that happens in my ministry," he said.

He shouldn't take full responsibilty for the ministry. He HAS full responsibility for the ministry. Until he gets removed from that portfolio he can never leave the responsibility of the ministry.

But Minister Gray reiterated that when the licences were issued he was in Panama along with his permanent secretary.
"Therefore I did not know of nor did I authorize the issuance of those licences," Minister Gray said.

Way to keep your finger on the pulse, man. We have these new things called telephones, faxes, emails that allow people to communicate over long distances. They're really wonderful. You should try them out sometime.

"However, I can say and I challenge Smith or anyone else to provide otherwise, that upon my return from Panama, having looked at the documents which were presented to me by the Fisheries Department, the licences were immediately ordered revoked and cancelled and the boats were ordered out of The Bahamas after I discovered from the documents that they were not Bahamian owned."
The Korean Boat issue became a major debacle just months after the PLP came to power. It eventually led to the resignation of Holy Cross MP Sidney Stubbs from the Bahamas Agricultural and Industrial Corporation (BAIC) where he had served as executive chairman

It EVENTUALLY led to the resignation of a disgraced MP. How long was he in Panama? Is he the only one with sense at Fisheries? If not, how is it that - as soon as he left for Panama - illegal activity started happening. Someone isn't watching the henhouse here...

I wonder whether, given the current political climate -ANY of the candidates are outlining their plans for the future? really, isnt that the purpose of a convention? or is this just a mud-slinging fest? enquiring minds want to know, and of course, I havent had the chance to watch the conventions so i might be wrong...but from what i read in the news...

I agree with you completely. I too have been disappointed at the lack of plans for the future at BOTH conventions. The FNM slang their mud, now the PLP is responding, all while the 20% swing voters wait for ideas to be tabled....very sad. Conventions are indeed for planning the future. I don't think that it should be a time when the governing party "reports to the people"...this should have been done throughout the term in office and not everytime the party goes into convention. Even looking at it from purely a strategy point of view, why would a party want to spend its money on getting the government's message out, when it can use the government's money?

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I wonder whether, given the current political climate -ANY of the candidates are outlining their plans for the future? really, isnt that the purpose of a convention? or is this just a mud-slinging fest? enquiring minds want to know, and of course, I havent had the chance to watch the conventions so i might be wrong...but from what i read in the news...
You are correct, but that is the thing with the Bahamas, Conventions are not only to clear up any bad media involving the party but it is also to lay you vision on the table for the country's future. But all we want to do is here our leader insult somebody or give brief sermon or do a dance:dancer: .
I long for the day when our politics will be like the USA:usa: , where they have conventions for a reason to choose the leader of their party (*the FNM does this) and then have a debate between both leaders in a forum about issues of the day:raw: .
Lol! FYI: the FNM never had a leader,all they do is use PLP rejects. Just kiddin ya.But we both know it's the truth.:D

No but really, are you blind that you do not see, or deaf that you do not hear, or is it that you are so jaded that you can not comprehend?

All the PLP has been doing these past 3 nights is laying out their future plans for the Bahamas and advising of the accomplishments of the past 3.5 years. very little has been said about the 'pablum puking' that FNM presenters tried to pass off as positive speaches at their convention. In fact, most of the speakers at the PLP convention speak exclusively to their ministerial responsibilities and to the hope of the Bahamian people.

Did you catch Minister Neville Wisdom's speach: Dream Bahamas! Which FNM speach could compare?

The preceeding message was of course addressed to Casual Observer and Kele Isaacs....I forgot to note that...

No but really, are you blind that you do not see, or deaf that you do not hear, or is it that you are so jaded that you can not comprehend?
All the PLP has been doing these past 3 nights is laying out their future plans for the Bahamas and advising of the accomplishments of the past 3.5 years. very little has been said about the 'pablum puking' that FNM presenters tried to pass off as positive speaches at their convention. In fact, most of the speakers at the PLP convention speak exclusively to their ministerial responsibilities and to the hope of the Bahamian people.
Did you catch Minister Neville Wisdom's speach: Dream Bahamas! Which FNM speach could compare?



Oh! Does that mean they finished doing everything they said they would do in their old 'Our Plan"?

A good amount of us are only upset because we did not get immediate upheavals once the PLP were elected to the government. Our Prime Minister took the scholarly approach of consultations to determine the best course of action for our country.

This is unprecedented in The Bahamas and foreign to many of our countrymen who are only looking just beyond their noses for the next union raise to go to Miami, or to purchase Christmas furniture.

Commissions made up of private and public sector professionals, as well as average Bahamians provide the best insights into our social and economic culture. No longer will we rely on what a minister feels is best for the Bahamian people...the Bahamian people will tell the government what they see as best for them. That my friend is democracy in action.

Of course the PLP has not completed its program as detailed in the 'Our Plan' document. But they have yet another 18 months to do so...and evenyou must admit that they are certainly on their way.