Then TT wasn't a leader. A real leader gets the backing because the movers, shakers, peers and subordinates have confidence in him. This is not an age thing, or a black thing, or a white thing. This is a human thing; people are attracted to those that have the charisma, decisivness, and fortitude to stand up and lead. But those that lead live in a dog eat dog world. If there is a challenger that is more appealing to the masses, then the stock of the leader goes down. Natural selection.
You can't make a leader, you can only refine the leadership qualities within. There needs to be enough raw materials to work with though. TT just needs some more polishing maybe. TT is a great guy and will, no doubt, make an excellent leader. He just needs to work through the apprentice program some more.

is correct!

Tennyson Wells said on immediate response that Brent won by a minority vote, is that a fact? or should I add that to the unsolved mysteries of politricks?:gi: :gi:

if and when you go looking for stuff you will find it:
bahamian.ebloggy.com
and da fnm website
;)

This opinion is extremely deceptive.

Bear in mind that the FNM had no one from the younger pool who was strong enough to combat the tactics of the PLP.

Everyone is pulling an angle on this one - Young vs Old - Black vs White - even Rich vs Poor.

Let's talk political strategy here.

Do you really believe, regardless of the good job that Turnquest did holding the FNM together, that he would have been able to pull an FNM win? What about Dion Foulkes, whose campaign was indeed a good move for him politically?

Face it. Neither of them had what it takes on this round of political warfare. The move to put Ingraham back into the leadership position was a very smart one and took a lot of wind out of the PLP's sails. With one of the younger FNMs in place, the PLP would have had an easy ride to at least three or four more consecutive elections.

Mr. Speaker has simply fallen into one of the political traps that the PLP has put out to ensnare those who are not aware of political strategy. A party should always operate on the principle of the strongest persons taking the forefront, regardless of their age bracket. The FNM did this and now are, at the very least, a formidable challenge to the PLP.

It is better to let the old dogs of war fight it out right now. The younger generation has NOT found its voice yet (in either party). We will eventually, but all things in due time. Politically, this nation has a few trouble spots right now that are delicate enough to break a political career permanently. With both parties planning on dealing harshly with illegal immigration, just to give one example, it is best to let those with advanced politcal careers to take care of things. It will be easier for them to retire and step aside if a disastrous political move is made.

The next few years of politics will have to be very dirty for them to be effective. Younger politicians with sense and an advanced degree of intelligence will sit out this election, and perhaps the next, all while watching the elders, learning strategies, forming alliances and even breaking loyalties.

As younger persons we cannot fall for the "give the younger generation a chance" outcries. We have to face the facts and collectively admit that we are not ready yet - on both sides of the political fence.

I know I definately een ready yet ;)

Hmmmmmmmm ..
to say PLP is for youth, or any party is or is not, is rediculous ..
Regardless, who cares if a party is "for youth" or not.
Point is ... is there anything being done or anything on the books, from either party .. for:
Roads ...?
Crime .. ?
Garbage ..?
And regardless of that ... id think another question would be, where was the PM all those many months .. i know he was sick so im just saying (I do have compasion and I hope he is all well now) ... why is there a preacher in charge of the country .. i mean nothing wrong with Preachers, and im sure she is a great person, but we got a major crime wave going and the criminals DONT NEED SAVING ...
That said I have seen the cops out on the streets the last few weeks, so there is some major movement going on .. not sure what it is about but it looks promising .. then again, this is the cops .. not the government .. they report to the Cheif Of Police, they are doing their job (and making overtime ofcourse - which is good, lots of them need it and some deserve it)

No need to knock a good God fearing woman like Mother pratt can u blame no one for crime. the bible say in the last days you will see these things. so i would say it is the bible being fulfill

No need to knock a good God fearing woman like Mother pratt can u blame no one for crime. the bible say in the last days you will see these things. so i would say it is the bible being fulfill


Nah, just a bunch of criminals that see the law working for them .. come on ... 6 months in prison for attempted murder // no its not pratts fault but she is in charge right now, so the buck stops with her.

You are right that the PLP did have the same Leader for more than twenty years, but you also have to admit that the FNM's election of Ingraham does NOT speak favourably of their view towards their future leaders. That is the point that Speaker raised and the one that your artful name calling sought to avoid.


Not that I have to respond because Yorick's post encapsulated enough of what needed to be said. If his gripe is that the FNM party does not look favorably on its younger members for leadership based on comments from one member of the party -- isn't that self-justifying enough?? And if the gripe is because the FNM had to resort to re-electing an old horse as its leader -- what does that say about Bahamians as a whole who resorted to electing a PLP leader more than 6 times in a democratic nation. It takes a lot of gall or stupidity to make such an accusation without looking at the facts. And I will admit that the points raised. But this is the Bahamas. There are only two parties. You can only compare the FNM's flaws to the PLP. And in such a comparison the FNM's flaws are miniscule. This amounts to blowing a miniscule flaw out of proportion.

Originally Posted by YorickBrown
This opinion is extremely deceptive. Boy yune lie there,becausethere are so many angles I can take with this post,but I just feel to lazy right now & what difference would it make in the scheme of things.So that being said "Let It Burn!"

Boy yune lie there,becausethere are so many angles I can take with this post,but I just feel to lazy right now & what difference would it make in the scheme of things.So that being said "Let It Burn!"

No prob,

Just as long as you remember that the wind doesn't blow in the same direction all the time.

No prob,
Just as long as you remember that the wind doesn't blow in the same direction all the time.
Correct, but some people in their zeal seem to forget this.

With all of the name calling and mud slinging going on, I am still waiting to hear the positives. Can someone tell me what the PLP has done to actually help the youth that makes them so much better than the FNM?

With all of the name calling and mud slinging going on, I am still waiting to hear the positives. Can someone tell me what the PLP has done to actually help the youth that makes them so much better than the FNM?
Why can't your question be put the other way,such as what has the FNM done to help the youths that allows them to be mentioned in the same breath as the PLP (not the present PLP now).

Actually, the thread accuses the FNM of not doing anything. So shouldn't the burden of proof be on the PLP and their supporters to prove that what the PLP have done for Bahamians has been better??

Actually, the thread accuses the FNM of not doing anything. So shouldn't the burden of proof be on the PLP and their supporters to prove that what the PLP have done for Bahamians has been better??
Maybe you should read the topic & the first post again (I dn't agree with it in it's totality ).But my question was really based on Finks post.In my humble estimation nothing has been done in the past twenty years to enhance the youth of this nation by any government.The Christie admin seems to be getting back on track with the Urban Renewal program.But only time will tell how effective that is.

The PLP is doing more for the youths. The Urban Renewal programme, and the National Youth Service is giving the youths another opportunity, instead of locking them in jail, they can straighten their lives out with these programmes and make something out of them, it is called a SECOND chance, and the youth are benefiting.

As far as politics goes, the PLP is a party of inclusion, and the youths are welcomed, the party reaches out to them, and for a young person wishing to serve their country and is looking for a party to join, there is no finer party than that of the Progressive Liberal Party, the party that looks out for the small and common man, and the party for the youth.

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