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bb359
12-04-05, - 10:48 AM
Proponents Against The Death Penalty
According to Amnesty International
The death penalty is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment.
It violates the right to life.
It is irrevocable and can be inflicted on the innocent. It has never been shown to deter crime more effectively than other punishments.
As an organization dedicated to the protection and promotion of human rights, Amnesty International (AI) works for an end to executions and the abolition of the death penalty everywhere.
Amnesty International is reporting the following:
Facts and Figures on the Death Penalty
1. Abolitionist and retentionist countries
Over half the countries in the world have now abolished the death penalty in law or practice.
Amnesty International's latest information shows that:
• 86 countries and territories have abolished the death penalty for all crimes;
• 11 countries have abolished the death penalty for all but exceptional crimes such as wartime crimes;
• 25 countries (Bahamas) can be considered abolitionist in practice: they retain the death penalty in law but have not carried out any executions for the past 10 years or more and are believed to have a policy or established practice of not carrying out executions, making a total of 122 countries which have abolished the death penalty in law or practice.
• 74 other countries and territories retain and use the death penalty, but the number of countries which actually execute prisoners in any one year is much smaller.
When did countries begin to abolish the death penalty?
Capital punishment was widely applied in ancient times throughout the world. The modern movement for the abolition of capital punishment began in the 18th century with the writings of Montesquieu and Voltaire. Some of the first countries to abolish capital punishment included Venezuela (1863), San Marino (1865), and Costa Rica (1877). Today, over half the countries in the world have abolished the death penalty either by law or through practice. Since 2000, Chile, Yugoslavia, Serbia, Montenegro and Turkey have joined the list of abolitionist countries. Most executions occur in a handful of countries: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United States. In Great Britain, it was abolished (except for cases of treason) in 1971; France abolished it in 1981. Canada abolished it in 1976. In 1977, the United Nations General Assembly affirmed in a formal resolution that throughout the world, it is desirable to "progressively restrict the number of offenses for which the death penalty might be imposed, with a view to the desirability of abolishing this punishment".
Proponents for the Death Penalty
"If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call." (John McAdams - Marquette University)
Persons against the Death penalty say that criminals do not fear death because they do not take time to think about the consequences of their acts. If that were true, then I wonder how police officers manage to arrest criminals without killing them. When a policeman holds a criminal at gunpoint and tells him to get on the ground, the criminal will comply fully in the vast majority of these cases. Why would they do that unless they were afraid of the lethal power of the gun? It is because regardless of what abolitionists claim, criminals are not immune to fear! It is a common misconception to believe that fear is a thought process that has to be worked out with a piece of paper. It's not! It is an instinct that automatically kicks in when one is faced with lethal force! The examples below should confirm that point.
Proponents against the death penalty claim that the Death-penalty has no effect on the murder rate at all. But that's only because those studies have been focused on inconsistent executions. Capital punishment, like all other applications, must be used consistently in order to be effective. However, the death penalty hasn't been used consistently in the Bahamas, so abolitionists have been able to establish the delusion that it doesn't deter at all to rationalize their fallacious arguments. But the evidence shows that whenever capital punishment is applied consistently or against a small murder rate it has always been followed by a decrease in murder. I have yet to see an example on how the death penalty has failed to reduce the murder rate under those conditions (no wonder there is no crime in Cuba).
So capital punishment is very capable of deterring murder if we allow it to, but our legal system is so slow and inefficient, criminals are able to stay several steps ahead of us and gain leeway through our lenience. Several reforms must be made in our justice system so the death penalty can cause a positive effect.
Question
1. Should the Bahamas continue with Capital punishment?
2. Is capital punishment a deterrent to Crime?
3. If the matter now before the Privy Council concludes that Capital
Punishment is illegal, should the Bahamian Government drop that body as
the top court and join the Caribbean Court of Appeal?
4. Do you believe that innocent persons may have been put to death in the
Bahamas under Capital Punishment?
5. Can you suggest other ways that the Bahamas can use to insure that
Capital punishment is carried out?
6. Do you think it is now time for a different form of Capital punishment other
than Hanging?

Rory
12-04-05, - 11:17 AM
i dunno but check these methods out .. :D

http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/29.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/21.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/25.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/33.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/39.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/27.html

Ting-um
12-04-05, - 11:51 AM
1. Should the Bahamas continue with Capital punishment?
2. Is capital punishment a deterrent to Crime?
3. If the matter now before the Privy Council concludes that Capital
Punishment is illegal, should the Bahamian Government drop that body as
the top court and join the Caribbean Court of Appeal?
4. Do you believe that innocent persons may have been put to death in the
Bahamas under Capital Punishment?
5. Can you suggest other ways that the Bahamas can use to insure that
Capital punishment is carried out?
6. Do you think it is now time for a different form of Capital punishment other
than Hanging?


1. Yes!!
2. NO!!
3. YES!!
4. Yes, I also believe that thousands of innocent bahamians have been victims of crimes. What does Amnesty International propose for them??
5. Yes, encourage vigilantism.
6. Yes, electrocution, burying them alive, whipping them to death, cut their arm and dropping them in shark infested waters. No form of capital punishment is quite satisfactory.

RockWell
12-04-05, - 05:37 PM
i dunno but check these methods out .. :D

http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/29.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/21.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/25.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/33.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/39.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/27.html
:what: Bey you been to one of them rainbow meeting aye?

Rory
12-04-05, - 08:54 PM
:what: Bey you been to one of them rainbow meeting aye?


huh :confused:

RockWell
12-04-05, - 09:09 PM
huh :confused:
Why all your punishments have to be in a certain area?

Rory
12-04-05, - 09:19 PM
Why all your punishments have to be in a certain area?


only 3 of them, must have been an italian thing back then ..?
dat is torture though, does it matter where it is .. :D

besides they are all sick things anyway .. read the "saw" one ..

jar
12-05-05, - 12:03 AM
only 3 of them, must have been an italian thing back then ..?
dat is torture though, does it matter where it is .. :D

besides they are all sick things anyway .. read the "saw" one ..

I think we should continue our hanging, even though some of those looked like they would also be pretty good to use on some of the worthless persons that think that they could just invade another human being and destroy them. That pyramid one looked pretty painful! Maybe we could give the victims family's a choice of the method that a low life should be tortured or their life ended....what ever happened to cat a nine tail?

canewry
12-05-05, - 10:15 AM
1. Yes!!
2. NO!!
3. YES!!
4. Yes, I also believe that thousands of innocent bahamians have been victims of crimes. What does Amnesty International propose for them??
5. Yes, encourage vigilantism.
6. Yes, electrocution, burying them alive, whipping them to death, cut their arm and dropping them in shark infested waters. No form of capital punishment is quite satisfactory.

dang bey!

a1000
12-05-05, - 12:29 PM
[QUOTE=Rory]
i dunno but check these methods out .. :D

http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/29.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/21.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/25.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/33.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/39.html
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/27.html
[/QUO


its so sad to see a mind wasted, ooops what mind? lol, idiots are idiots because they dont have minds. See why you are a block head ,here some one had the foresight to bring up an important issue and you go on in your foolish ways. you need to be placed in time out.

Rory
12-05-05, - 07:40 PM
http://www.bahamasissues.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=3875

Vicky
12-06-05, - 06:30 AM
Question
1. Should the Bahamas continue with Capital punishment?
2. Is capital punishment a deterrent to Crime?
3. If the matter now before the Privy Council concludes that Capital
Punishment is illegal, should the Bahamian Government drop that body as
the top court and join the Caribbean Court of Appeal?
4. Do you believe that innocent persons may have been put to death in the
Bahamas under Capital Punishment?
5. Can you suggest other ways that the Bahamas can use to insure that
Capital punishment is carried out?
6. Do you think it is now time for a different form of Capital punishment other
than Hanging?
[/QUOTE]

1 No
2 No
3 Not for that reasion
4 Yes they have
5 No
6 No

Abiskan Moon-Angel
12-06-05, - 06:57 AM
1. Should the Bahamas continue with Capital punishment?
2. Is capital punishment a deterrent to Crime?
3. If the matter now before the Privy Council concludes that Capital
Punishment is illegal, should the Bahamian Government drop that body as
the top court and join the Caribbean Court of Appeal?
4. Do you believe that innocent persons may have been put to death in the
Bahamas under Capital Punishment?
5. Can you suggest other ways that the Bahamas can use to insure that
Capital punishment is carried out?
6. Do you think it is now time for a different form of Capital punishment other
than Hanging?


even though we've been over this a million times on BI here goes:
1. NO
2. no its not. it has been proven over and over again...captial punishment does NOT deter crime.
3. a negative outcome of the long anticipated ruling, is not a sound reason to ditch the PC
4. Of course...the irreversible character of the death penalty is one of the main arguments against it. there is no guarantee an innocent person will not be put to death.
5. :dgi:
6. no. its not the method of carrying out the death penatly that worries people...its the practice itself

lynette
12-06-05, - 04:59 PM
Question
1. Should the Bahamas continue with Capital punishment?
2. Is capital punishment a deterrent to Crime?
3. If the matter now before the Privy Council concludes that Capital
Punishment is illegal, should the Bahamian Government drop that body as
the top court and join the Caribbean Court of Appeal?
4. Do you believe that innocent persons may have been put to death in the
Bahamas under Capital Punishment?
5. Can you suggest other ways that the Bahamas can use to insure that
Capital punishment is carried out?
6. Do you think it is now time for a different form of Capital punishment other
than Hanging?


1. Yes
2. No-Deterrence is not the only reason to inflict capital punishment. PUNISHMENT IS!
3. No-Not for that reason
4. Yes
5. With different degrees of murder charges you would be able to charge with murder one and execute those offenders where there is no question as to their guilt.
6. Yes-Lethal Injection..its so peaceful they just drift off to sleep. In fact they should not even know when its going to be done....perhaps we should put something in the food...hmmmmm

I do believe that we could adopt a system similar to the the US where there is different degrees of murder..someone who finds his wife sleeping with his best friend in his bed and 'runs hot' picks up an iron and kills one of them with one blow should not have to suffer the same punishment as someone who kidnapps a little girl on her way to school and rapes and kills her.

bridjette
12-06-05, - 05:57 PM
I don't think that we should kill them all, however we must take in to consideration the nature of the crimes that have been committed, we must remember that the persons who committed heinous crimes such as raping & killing children, murder in the worst ways they to had no regard for human life. Take for example John Smith the man that kidnapped, gagged, raped & killed Carlie Brucsher an 11yr old girl (baby) this is a man who was over the age of 40 could you imagine the horror she felt knowing what was happening to her also realizing her faith. I am not saying that everyone is guilty but as we speak about the humanity of life let's remember the victims not to mention the Bible states that man should follow the laws of the land.