I gave you the facts from the bible since you used the bible. That's all I gave you were facts. I noticed in many many of your posts you quote the bible to prove your point. You say that Christians "read into the bible". But what do you? Suppose you "read into the bible" to suit your purpose?

THE SIN OF SODOM

Following is a list of every verse in the Bible that refers to the sins of Sodom. It is written informally, but fully substantiated with Bible quotes.

Genesis 13:13: But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there )

Genesis 18:20: And the LORD said, because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Genesis 19:13: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Deuteronomy 29:17-26: And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which [were] among them:)...[And that] the whole land thereof [is] brimstone, and salt, [and] burning...like the overthrow of Sodom...which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this land? What [meant] the heat of this great anger? Then men shall say, because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers...For
They went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and [whom] he had not given unto them:
(Just idolatry and false gods; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Deuteronomy 32:32-38: For their vine [is] of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes [are] grapes of gall, their clusters [are] bitter...And he shall say, Where [are] their gods, [their] rock in whom they trusted, Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, [and] drank the wine of their drink offerings? Let them rise up and help you, [and] be your protection.
(Idolatry again; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Isaiah 1:9-23: Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, [and] we should have been like unto Gomorrah. Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.... How is the faithful city become a harlot! It was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers. Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water: Thy princes [are] rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them. (hmmm...murder, greed, thievery, rebelliousness, covetness; nope, no homosexuality there)

Isaiah 3:8-15: For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings [are] against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory. The show of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide [it] not. Woe unto their soul! For they have rewarded evil unto themselves. For ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil
Of the poor [is] in your houses. What mean ye [that] ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor?
(Mistreating the poor; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Isaiah 13: 11-19: And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.... And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' Excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. (Haughtiness, yes, but no homosexuality.)

Jeremiah 23:10-14: For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth...For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.... And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from h is wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. (Adultery, lying by priests and prophets; nope, no homosexuality in there)

Jeremiah 49:16-18: Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, [and] the pride of thine heart...Also Edom shall be a desolation: every one that goeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss at all the plagues thereof. As in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Evil and pride, but still no homosexuality)

Jeremiah 50:2-40: Declare ye among the nations...say, Babylon is taken, Bal is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.... thou hast striven against the LORD...for she hath been proud against the LORD...As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbor [cities] thereof, saith the LORD; [so] shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein. (There’s that idolatry and pride again, but still no homosexuality)

Lamentations 4:3-6: ...the daughter of my people [is become] cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness. The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, [and] no man breaketh [it] unto them. They that did feed delicately are desolate in the streets: they that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills. For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was over thrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her. (Cruelty, failure to tend the young and the poor, but still no homosexuality)

Ezekiel 16:49-50: Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw [good]. (Well that’s pretty clear, huh? But what are we missing in that list? Oh yeah...homosexuality)

Amos 4:1-11: Hear this word, ye kin of Bashan, that [are] in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink. I have overthrown [some] of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD. (Oppression, mistreating the needy...still no homosexuality)

Zephaniah 2:8: I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of Ammon, whereby they have reproached my people, and magnified [themselves] against their border. Therefore [as] I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah...This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified [themselves] against the people of the LORD of hosts. (There’s that pride again, and the intimation of inhospitality, but still no homosexuality)

Well, so much for the Old Testament's linkage of Sodom with homosexuality. Maybe the fundamentalists were referring to something in the New Testament? Let's see...

Matthew 20:11: And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into a house, salute it.... And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.... Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment, than for that city. (Jesus said these words; they draw a comparison to inhospitality, but there's still no homosexuality there)

Matthew 11:19-24: The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.... Then began [Jesus] to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not. Woe unto thee, Chorazin! Woe unto thee, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.... And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been
Done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.... But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the Day of Judgment, than for thee. (They ridiculed Jesus and treated him with utmost inhospitality, refusing to repent...but still no mention of homosexuality)

Mark 6:10-11: And he said unto them, In what place so ever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment, than for that city. (Another repetition of the instruction against inhospitality, but still no mention of homosexuality)

Luke 10:10-12: But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say. Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. (There's that inhospitality reference again, but still no homosexuality mentioned)

Luke 17:26-29: And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] al l. (still no mention of homosexuality)

2 Peter 2:6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly. (Ungodly? Is that idolatry again? It sure isn't homosexuality)

Jude 1:7-8: Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. (Awww...this one comes SO close, but no cigar; the Greek word translated here as "fornication" is "porneia" and had a distinctly heterosexual con notation; and the "strange flesh" was a reference to angels or "sons of God" that WOMEN had sex with [see Genesis 6:1-4] according
To Jewish tradition; still no mention of homosexuality)


Well, except for a brief mention of Sodom in Revelations (where there is no reference to the city's supposed sins), I'm afraid we've covered them all. Now it's up to the fundamentalists. Surely they should have no difficulty pointing out ALL the verses in the Bible that refer to the sin of Sodom being that of homosexuality.

But they'll have to make them up first. ;-)

But we're not done yet. The traditional concept of the sin of Sodom arises from the fact that the Hebrew word here translated as "to know" (yadha) is used by itself in ten places in the Old Testament to denote heterosexual intercourse. In five additional
Texts it is used in conjunction with mishkabh (in this context, "to lie") to mean the same thing. But yadha appears by itself no less than 943 times in a nonsexual connotation, to simply mean, "get acquainted with" or "learn of."

There is no Old Testament text in which yadha refers to homosexual sex, with the single exception of this disputed Sodom and Gomorrah story in Genesis. The less ambiguous word shakhabh, however, is used for homosexual, heterosexual, and bestial intercourse. Shakhabh appears fifty times in the Old Testament; if it had been used instead of yadha in the Sodom story, the meaning of the text would have been unmistakable. As it is, we have no grounds to assume that the men of Sodom wanted to rape the visitors.

Some biblical scholars have developed an alternate theory. Since yadha commonly means, "to get acquainted with," the demand to "know" the visitors may well have implied some serious breach of the rules of hospitality. Several considerations provide support for this view.

In the first place, Lot was not a native of Sodom, but had the status of resident alien, or ger. As such, he may not have had the right to admit unidentified foreigners to the city. City gates were closed at night expressly to prevent lawless or subversive aliens from entering on unknown errands, and travelers carried credentials because they might at any time be asked to prove that they were abroad on legitimate business. Thus we might translate "Bring them out to us, that we might know them" a s "We wish to know whom you are bringing into our city" or (in the vernacular of WWII German movies) "Ve vant to see your papers!" Lot's refusal to turn his visitors over to this horde of vigilantes is totally in keeping with the then contemporary laws of etiquette, because in those days no civic police force protected strangers in a city. Any kind of robbery or physical abuse could have been meted out to the two angels if he had agreed to surrender them, but in his home they were safe. He was obliged to protect them as honored guests. It is certain that the Sodomites were demanding he violate the code of hospitality, but not AT ALL
Clear from the text that they were inclined to indulge in homosexual acts.

Lastly, even if the fundamentalists must insist that the men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the strangers, that's a matter of rape, not homosexual love. I think we can all agree that rape is right up there on the list of big sins, and further that it is an act of power, control, and violence, not of love between consenting adults.

There's another Old Testament passage that is relevant. The story is found in Judges 19:14-28. It bears a striking resemblance to the Sodom story -- a traveler arrives at the city Gilbeah. There he meets an old man who is, like Lot, a resident alien. The old man warns the traveler that he should not stay in the town square, and he extends the hand of hospitality in accordance with Holy law, inviting the traveler to share his abode for the night. But the men of the city surround the old man's house and demand that the traveler be sent out so "that we may know him" (there's that "yadha" again). The old man refuses,
But offers his virgin daughter and his concubine to the mob instead. When the crowd refuses the offer, the old man throws his concubine outside as a diversion, whereupon the mob rape and abuse her all night, leaving her dying at the threshold. When the Israelites learn of the abuse of the concubine, they rise up against Gilbeah and, with God's help, destroy the city.

Here we have an instance almost identical to Sodom, in which a city is destroyed following inhospitality to strangers, and a clear case of rape. Except this time it was a heterosexual rape. Yet no one uses this story to imply God's condemnation of heterosexuality in general. It is specious, to suggest that the story of Sodom is instructional with regard to homosexuality in general.

Those who insist that Sodom was destroyed for homosexuality are denying the very Bible they claim to revere. They are required to make five outrageous leaps of faith:
(1) Homosexual love is equal to rape which is equal to getting to know someone;
(2) "Yadha" meant homosexual acts only once or twice and something else 953 times;
(3) All of the other references to Sodom's sins contained in the Bible are in error,
(4) The strict codes regarding hospitality and the safety of travelers were immaterial;
(5) The concubine of the man of Gilbeah was a male.

Perhaps your priest, pastor, and or reverend, can now point out their proof that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality.


Please try again

It has been a long time but I grew up in an all Jewish farming community.If my memory serves me in Yiddish,Yadha means to know someone?Been a long time as I said but it seems so. :dgi:

:eek: Boy for someone who dn't believe in the Bible you sure do alot of research.Wonder if you will ever find a christian that involved in a homo publication. :dgi:

THE SIN OF SODOM
Following is a list of every verse in the Bible that refers to the sins of Sodom. It is written informally, but fully substantiated with Bible quotes.
Genesis 13:13: But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there )

Genesis 18:20: And the LORD said, because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)
Genesis 19:13: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

You conveniently left out Genesis 19:5 which talks about the men of Sodom and Gomorrah surrounding Lot's home wanting to have sex with the angels...sorry that's homosexual.


Deuteronomy 29:17-26: And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which [were] among them:)...[And that] the whole land thereof [is] brimstone, and salt, [and] burning...like the overthrow of Sodom...which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this land? What [meant] the heat of this great anger? Then men shall say, because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers...For
They went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and [whom] he had not given unto them:
(Just idolatry and false gods; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)
Deuteronomy 32:32-38: For their vine [is] of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes [are] grapes of gall, their clusters [are] bitter...And he shall say, Where [are] their gods, [their] rock in whom they trusted, Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, [and] drank the wine of their drink offerings? Let them rise up and help you, [and] be your protection.
(Idolatry again; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)
Isaiah 1:9-23: Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, [and] we should have been like unto Gomorrah. Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.... How is the faithful city become a harlot! It was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers. Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water: Thy princes [are] rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them. (hmmm...murder, greed, thievery, rebelliousness, covetness; nope, no homosexuality there)
Isaiah 3:8-15: For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings [are] against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory. The show of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide [it] not. Woe unto their soul! For they have rewarded evil unto themselves. For ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil
Of the poor [is] in your houses. What mean ye [that] ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor?
(Mistreating the poor; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)
Isaiah 13: 11-19: And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.... And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' Excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. (Haughtiness, yes, but no homosexuality.)
Jeremiah 23:10-14: For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth...For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.... And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from h is wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. (Adultery, lying by priests and prophets; nope, no homosexuality in there)
Jeremiah 49:16-18: Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, [and] the pride of thine heart...Also Edom shall be a desolation: every one that goeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss at all the plagues thereof. As in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Evil and pride, but still no homosexuality)
Jeremiah 50:2-40: Declare ye among the nations...say, Babylon is taken, Bal is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.... thou hast striven against the LORD...for she hath been proud against the LORD...As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbor [cities] thereof, saith the LORD; [so] shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein. (There’s that idolatry and pride again, but still no homosexuality)
Lamentations 4:3-6: ...the daughter of my people [is become] cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness. The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, [and] no man breaketh [it] unto them. They that did feed delicately are desolate in the streets: they that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills. For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was over thrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her. (Cruelty, failure to tend the young and the poor, but still no homosexuality)
Ezekiel 16:49-50: Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw [good]. (Well that’s pretty clear, huh? But what are we missing in that list? Oh yeah...homosexuality)
Amos 4:1-11: Hear this word, ye kin of Bashan, that [are] in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink. I have overthrown [some] of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD. (Oppression, mistreating the needy...still no homosexuality)
Zephaniah 2:8: I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of Ammon, whereby they have reproached my people, and magnified [themselves] against their border. Therefore [as] I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah...This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified [themselves] against the people of the LORD of hosts. (There’s that pride again, and the intimation of inhospitality, but still no homosexuality)
Well, so much for the Old Testament's linkage of Sodom with homosexuality. Maybe the fundamentalists were referring to something in the New Testament? Let's see...
Matthew 20:11: And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into a house, salute it.... And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.... Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment, than for that city. (Jesus said these words; they draw a comparison to inhospitality, but there's still no homosexuality there)
Matthew 11:19-24: The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.... Then began [Jesus] to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not. Woe unto thee, Chorazin! Woe unto thee, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.... And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been
Done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.... But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the Day of Judgment, than for thee. (They ridiculed Jesus and treated him with utmost inhospitality, refusing to repent...but still no mention of homosexuality)
Mark 6:10-11: And he said unto them, In what place so ever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment, than for that city. (Another repetition of the instruction against inhospitality, but still no mention of homosexuality)
Luke 10:10-12: But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say. Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. (There's that inhospitality reference again, but still no homosexuality mentioned)
Luke 17:26-29: And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] al l. (still no mention of homosexuality)
2 Peter 2:6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly. (Ungodly? Is that idolatry again? It sure isn't homosexuality)
Jude 1:7-8: Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. (Awww...this one comes SO close, but no cigar; the Greek word translated here as "fornication" is "porneia" and had a distinctly heterosexual con notation; and the "strange flesh" was a reference to angels or "sons of God" that WOMEN had sex with [see Genesis 6:1-4] according
To Jewish tradition; still no mention of homosexuality)


I seriously believe you went to a bible website and cut and paste all these certain verses about the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah to fit your purpose and your views. You are missing a very important passage which gives an awesome description of that city's sins. HOMOSEXUALITY IS ONE OF THE SINS IN THAT CITY. You can not sit down at your computer and honestly DENY the fact that thoses men were having sex with each other. Why would God put that event in the bible? Where the men came around the house demanding to see these two new men. Why did they all get struck down with blindness?? You are a grown man, do you think they wanted to bake cookies and biscuits??? You have eyes but you do not see.


Well, except for a brief mention of Sodom in Revelations (where there is no reference to the city's supposed sins), I'm afraid we've covered them all. Now it's up to the fundamentalists. Surely they should have no difficulty pointing out ALL the verses in the Bible that refer to the sin of Sodom being that of homosexuality.
But they'll have to make them up first. ;-)
But we're not done yet. The traditional concept of the sin of Sodom arises from the fact that the Hebrew word here translated as "to know" (yadha) is used by itself in ten places in the Old Testament to denote heterosexual intercourse. In five additional
Texts it is used in conjunction with mishkabh (in this context, "to lie") to mean the same thing. But yadha appears by itself no less than 943 times in a nonsexual connotation, to simply mean, "get acquainted with" or "learn of."
There is no Old Testament text in which yadha refers to homosexual sex, with the single exception of this disputed Sodom and Gomorrah story in Genesis. The less ambiguous word shakhabh, however, is used for homosexual, heterosexual, and bestial intercourse. Shakhabh appears fifty times in the Old Testament; if it had been used instead of yadha in the Sodom story, the meaning of the text would have been unmistakable. As it is, we have no grounds to assume that the men of Sodom wanted to rape the visitors.
Some biblical scholars have developed an alternate theory. Since yadha commonly means, "to get acquainted with," the demand to "know" the visitors may well have implied some serious breach of the rules of hospitality. Several considerations provide support for this view.
In the first place, Lot was not a native of Sodom, but had the status of resident alien, or ger. As such, he may not have had the right to admit unidentified foreigners to the city. City gates were closed at night expressly to prevent lawless or subversive aliens from entering on unknown errands, and travelers carried credentials because they might at any time be asked to prove that they were abroad on legitimate business. Thus we might translate "Bring them out to us, that we might know them" a s "We wish to know whom you are bringing into our city" or (in the vernacular of WWII German movies) "Ve vant to see your papers!" Lot's refusal to turn his visitors over to this horde of vigilantes is totally in keeping with the then contemporary laws of etiquette, because in those days no civic police force protected strangers in a city. Any kind of robbery or physical abuse could have been meted out to the two angels if he had agreed to surrender them, but in his home they were safe. He was obliged to protect them as honored guests. It is certain that the Sodomites were demanding he violate the code of hospitality, but not AT ALL
Clear from the text that they were inclined to indulge in homosexual acts.
Lastly, even if the fundamentalists must insist that the men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the strangers, that's a matter of rape, not homosexual love. I think we can all agree that rape is right up there on the list of big sins, and further that it is an act of power, control, and violence, not of love between consenting adults.
There's another Old Testament passage that is relevant. The story is found in Judges 19:14-28. It bears a striking resemblance to the Sodom story -- a traveler arrives at the city Gilbeah. There he meets an old man who is, like Lot, a resident alien. The old man warns the traveler that he should not stay in the town square, and he extends the hand of hospitality in accordance with Holy law, inviting the traveler to share his abode for the night. But the men of the city surround the old man's house and demand that the traveler be sent out so "that we may know him" (there's that "yadha" again). The old man refuses,
But offers his virgin daughter and his concubine to the mob instead. When the crowd refuses the offer, the old man throws his concubine outside as a diversion, whereupon the mob rape and abuse her all night, leaving her dying at the threshold. When the Israelites learn of the abuse of the concubine, they rise up against Gilbeah and, with God's help, destroy the city.
Here we have an instance almost identical to Sodom, in which a city is destroyed following inhospitality to strangers, and a clear case of rape. Except this time it was a heterosexual rape. Yet no one uses this story to imply God's condemnation of heterosexuality in general. It is specious, to suggest that the story of Sodom is instructional with regard to homosexuality in general.
Those who insist that Sodom was destroyed for homosexuality are denying the very Bible they claim to revere. They are required to make five outrageous leaps of faith:
(1) Homosexual love is equal to rape which is equal to getting to know someone;
(2) "Yadha" meant homosexual acts only once or twice and something else 953 times;
(3) All of the other references to Sodom's sins contained in the Bible are in error,
(4) The strict codes regarding hospitality and the safety of travelers were immaterial;
(5) The concubine of the man of Gilbeah was a male.
Perhaps your priest, pastor, and or reverend, can now point out their proof that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality.
Please try again


Ok at this point in the essay I am confused and I have no idea what you are talking. These points are vague, far off the point which shows that you are getting a bit desperate. Genesis 19 is proof, sit down read it and think about it. I know that won't happen because you already made up your mind.

Sodom and Gemorrah was also the inspiration for the words sodomy and sodomite, this arguement is pointless however, casting pearls before swine and all that.

Vic is so into this stuff she probably has file upon file of this stuff ready to go in a minutes notice.lol :)

Vic is so into this stuff she probably has file upon file of this stuff ready to go in a minutes notice.lol :)
Ain't that the truth.

God is the ultimate and sovereign judge for sin, here are a few verses which the bible has to say about homosexuality.

Leviticus 18:22

22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin."

Leviticus 20:13

13 "The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act and are guilty of a capital offense."


Romans 1:26-27

21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused.

22 Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead.

23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes.

24 So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies.

25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen.

26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.

27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.

But there is hope....Jesus Christ.

THE SIN OF SODOM
Following is a list of every verse in the Bible that refers to the sins of Sodom. It is written informally, but fully substantiated with Bible quotes.
Genesis 13:13: But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there )

Genesis 18:20: And the LORD said, because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)
Genesis 19:13: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)
Deuteronomy 29:17-26: And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which [were] among them:)...[And that] the whole land thereof [is] brimstone, and salt, [and] burning...like the overthrow of Sodom...which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this land? What [meant] the heat of this great anger? Then men shall say, because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers...For
They went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and [whom] he had not given unto them:
(Just idolatry and false gods; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)
Deuteronomy 32:32-38: For their vine [is] of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes [are] grapes of gall, their clusters [are] bitter...And he shall say, Where [are] their gods, [their] rock in whom they trusted, Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, [and] drank the wine of their drink offerings? Let them rise up and help you, [and] be your protection.
(Idolatry again; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)
Isaiah 1:9-23: Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, [and] we should have been like unto Gomorrah. Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.... How is the faithful city become a harlot! It was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers. Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water: Thy princes [are] rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them. (hmmm...murder, greed, thievery, rebelliousness, covetness; nope, no homosexuality there)
Isaiah 3:8-15: For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings [are] against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory. The show of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide [it] not. Woe unto their soul! For they have rewarded evil unto themselves. For ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil
Of the poor [is] in your houses. What mean ye [that] ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor?
(Mistreating the poor; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)
Isaiah 13: 11-19: And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.... And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' Excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. (Haughtiness, yes, but no homosexuality.)
Jeremiah 23:10-14: For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth...For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.... And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from h is wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. (Adultery, lying by priests and prophets; nope, no homosexuality in there)
Jeremiah 49:16-18: Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, [and] the pride of thine heart...Also Edom shall be a desolation: every one that goeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss at all the plagues thereof. As in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Evil and pride, but still no homosexuality)
Jeremiah 50:2-40: Declare ye among the nations...say, Babylon is taken, Bal is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.... thou hast striven against the LORD...for she hath been proud against the LORD...As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbor [cities] thereof, saith the LORD; [so] shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein. (There’s that idolatry and pride again, but still no homosexuality)
Lamentations 4:3-6: ...the daughter of my people [is become] cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness. The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, [and] no man breaketh [it] unto them. They that did feed delicately are desolate in the streets: they that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills. For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was over thrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her. (Cruelty, failure to tend the young and the poor, but still no homosexuality)
Ezekiel 16:49-50: Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw [good]. (Well that’s pretty clear, huh? But what are we missing in that list? Oh yeah...homosexuality)
Amos 4:1-11: Hear this word, ye kin of Bashan, that [are] in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink. I have overthrown [some] of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD. (Oppression, mistreating the needy...still no homosexuality)
Zephaniah 2:8: I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of Ammon, whereby they have reproached my people, and magnified [themselves] against their border. Therefore [as] I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah...This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified [themselves] against the people of the LORD of hosts. (There’s that pride again, and the intimation of inhospitality, but still no homosexuality)
Well, so much for the Old Testament's linkage of Sodom with homosexuality. Maybe the fundamentalists were referring to something in the New Testament? Let's see...
Matthew 20:11: And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into a house, salute it.... And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.... Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment, than for that city. (Jesus said these words; they draw a comparison to inhospitality, but there's still no homosexuality there)
Matthew 11:19-24: The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.... Then began [Jesus] to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not. Woe unto thee, Chorazin! Woe unto thee, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.... And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been
Done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.... But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the Day of Judgment, than for thee. (They ridiculed Jesus and treated him with utmost inhospitality, refusing to repent...but still no mention of homosexuality)
Mark 6:10-11: And he said unto them, In what place so ever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment, than for that city. (Another repetition of the instruction against inhospitality, but still no mention of homosexuality)
Luke 10:10-12: But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say. Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. (There's that inhospitality reference again, but still no homosexuality mentioned)
Luke 17:26-29: And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] al l. (still no mention of homosexuality)
2 Peter 2:6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly. (Ungodly? Is that idolatry again? It sure isn't homosexuality)
Jude 1:7-8: Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. (Awww...this one comes SO close, but no cigar; the Greek word translated here as "fornication" is "porneia" and had a distinctly heterosexual con notation; and the "strange flesh" was a reference to angels or "sons of God" that WOMEN had sex with [see Genesis 6:1-4] according
To Jewish tradition; still no mention of homosexuality)
Well, except for a brief mention of Sodom in Revelations (where there is no reference to the city's supposed sins), I'm afraid we've covered them all. Now it's up to the fundamentalists. Surely they should have no difficulty pointing out ALL the verses in the Bible that refer to the sin of Sodom being that of homosexuality.
But they'll have to make them up first. ;-)
But we're not done yet. The traditional concept of the sin of Sodom arises from the fact that the Hebrew word here translated as "to know" (yadha) is used by itself in ten places in the Old Testament to denote heterosexual intercourse. In five additional
Texts it is used in conjunction with mishkabh (in this context, "to lie") to mean the same thing. But yadha appears by itself no less than 943 times in a nonsexual connotation, to simply mean, "get acquainted with" or "learn of."
There is no Old Testament text in which yadha refers to homosexual sex, with the single exception of this disputed Sodom and Gomorrah story in Genesis. The less ambiguous word shakhabh, however, is used for homosexual, heterosexual, and bestial intercourse. Shakhabh appears fifty times in the Old Testament; if it had been used instead of yadha in the Sodom story, the meaning of the text would have been unmistakable. As it is, we have no grounds to assume that the men of Sodom wanted to rape the visitors.
Some biblical scholars have developed an alternate theory. Since yadha commonly means, "to get acquainted with," the demand to "know" the visitors may well have implied some serious breach of the rules of hospitality. Several considerations provide support for this view.
In the first place, Lot was not a native of Sodom, but had the status of resident alien, or ger. As such, he may not have had the right to admit unidentified foreigners to the city. City gates were closed at night expressly to prevent lawless or subversive aliens from entering on unknown errands, and travelers carried credentials because they might at any time be asked to prove that they were abroad on legitimate business. Thus we might translate "Bring them out to us, that we might know them" a s "We wish to know whom you are bringing into our city" or (in the vernacular of WWII German movies) "Ve vant to see your papers!" Lot's refusal to turn his visitors over to this horde of vigilantes is totally in keeping with the then contemporary laws of etiquette, because in those days no civic police force protected strangers in a city. Any kind of robbery or physical abuse could have been meted out to the two angels if he had agreed to surrender them, but in his home they were safe. He was obliged to protect them as honored guests. It is certain that the Sodomites were demanding he violate the code of hospitality, but not AT ALL
Clear from the text that they were inclined to indulge in homosexual acts.
Lastly, even if the fundamentalists must insist that the men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the strangers, that's a matter of rape, not homosexual love. I think we can all agree that rape is right up there on the list of big sins, and further that it is an act of power, control, and violence, not of love between consenting adults.
There's another Old Testament passage that is relevant. The story is found in Judges 19:14-28. It bears a striking resemblance to the Sodom story -- a traveler arrives at the city Gilbeah. There he meets an old man who is, like Lot, a resident alien. The old man warns the traveler that he should not stay in the town square, and he extends the hand of hospitality in accordance with Holy law, inviting the traveler to share his abode for the night. But the men of the city surround the old man's house and demand that the traveler be sent out so "that we may know him" (there's that "yadha" again). The old man refuses,
But offers his virgin daughter and his concubine to the mob instead. When the crowd refuses the offer, the old man throws his concubine outside as a diversion, whereupon the mob rape and abuse her all night, leaving her dying at the threshold. When the Israelites learn of the abuse of the concubine, they rise up against Gilbeah and, with God's help, destroy the city.
Here we have an instance almost identical to Sodom, in which a city is destroyed following inhospitality to strangers, and a clear case of rape. Except this time it was a heterosexual rape. Yet no one uses this story to imply God's condemnation of heterosexuality in general. It is specious, to suggest that the story of Sodom is instructional with regard to homosexuality in general.
Those who insist that Sodom was destroyed for homosexuality are denying the very Bible they claim to revere. They are required to make five outrageous leaps of faith:
(1) Homosexual love is equal to rape which is equal to getting to know someone;
(2) "Yadha" meant homosexual acts only once or twice and something else 953 times;
(3) All of the other references to Sodom's sins contained in the Bible are in error,
(4) The strict codes regarding hospitality and the safety of travelers were immaterial;
(5) The concubine of the man of Gilbeah was a male.
Perhaps your priest, pastor, and or reverend, can now point out their proof that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality.
Please try again

We are sooo off subject. To think this all started when I tried to point out the PLP's hypocrisy of saying "Lord! Lord!" and bringing God's name into everything when its government is loaded with homosexuality which is clearly against God's will. Let's get back to the subject at hand, people. Some of us need to stop twisting the Bible to suit our own beliefs and to justify things that are against "the grain".:hammer:

Sodom and Gemorrah was also the inspiration for the words sodomy and sodomite, this arguement is pointless however, casting pearls before swine and all that.

That is a 13th centery term created by christians still does not change the fact that Yadha is the word used in the Hebrew text which is the Old Testament.

You conveniently left out Genesis 19:5 which talks about the men of Sodom and Gomorrah surrounding Lot's home wanting to have sex with the angels...sorry that's homosexual. Not left out but discused at the end....
I seriously believe you went to a bible website and cut and paste all these certain verses about the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah to fit your purpose and your views. You are welcome to chalange any of the verses. Oh and yes I do use a Bible web site. Just type in Sodom and there they are. Please try again. You are missing a very important passage which gives an awesome description of that city's sins. HOMOSEXUALITY IS ONE OF THE SINS IN THAT CITY. I will say again prove it. You can't make to Know equal consensual sex unless the angels wanted to have sex with the men of Sodom. You can't make To Know equal rape no matter how hard you try. You can not sit down at your computer and honestly DENY the fact that thoses men were having sex with each other.
can you prove that they were or do you just read that into it to make your point.
Why would God put that event in the bible? Because the sin of Sodom was great but it was not homosexuality. Where the men came around the house demanding to see these two new men. Now you getting it right Why did they all get struck down with blindness?? Because the people of Sodom were a mean inhospitable people. You are a grown man,Wrong not man do you think they wanted to bake cookies and biscuits??? You have eyes but you do not see. I have looked over and over again and I don't see any referance to homosexuality in the Sodom story. I even checked Jewish referances just not there it is a christian lie.
Ok at this point in the essay I am confused and I have no idea what you are talking. These points are vague, They are not vage to some one who can read.far off the point which shows that you are getting a bit desperate. Genesis 19 is proof, sit down read it and think about it. I know that won't happen because you already made up your mind.

If you can offer some other referance other than to try and make to know equal homosexual sex then I am all ears.

It has been a long time but I grew up in an all Jewish farming community.If my memory serves me in Yiddish,Yadha means to know someone?Been a long time as I said but it seems so. :dgi:

Now you have just found out about 1 christian lie.

Vic is so into this stuff she probably has file upon file of this stuff ready to go in a minutes notice.lol :)

No point in typing it over and over again now is there. I really tried avoided putting all the verses up that referenced Sodom but it is the only way.

God is the ultimate and sovereign judge for sin, here are a few verses which the bible has to say about homosexuality.
Leviticus 18:22
22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin."
Leviticus 20:13
13 "The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act and are guilty of a capital offense."


You need to quote the verse properly.
Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version)
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 (King James Version)
13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Yep there it is black and white can't deny it won't deny it homosexuality is against Levitical law.

But this is also very clear and in black and white
Leviticus 27:34 (King James Version)
34These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.
I am not an Israelite nore is the Bahamas Mount Sinai. Thus it does not apply........
Oh and you could not live by Levitical law if you had to so don't point it out to me.


Romans 1:26-27
21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead.
23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes.
24 So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies.
25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen.
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.
But there is hope....Jesus Christ.

Best hope Is Jesus I agree. Oh and by the way Romans were letters written by a man who never laid eyes on Jesus never touched him heard him or spoke with him. Paul was a guy like the guy down here selling holy water cause he said God told him to. Oh and that is if Paul even really existed at all. Paul may be a story made up by Constantine and his followers. There is no proof anywhere that Paul existed.

and I am not a follower of Paul I follow the teachings of Jesus. Please try again.

You conveniently left out Genesis 19:5 which talks about the men of Sodom and Gomorrah surrounding Lot's home wanting to have sex with the angels...sorry that's homosexual.
I seriously believe you went to a bible website and cut and paste all these certain verses about the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah to fit your purpose and your views. You are missing a very important passage which gives an awesome description of that city's sins. HOMOSEXUALITY IS ONE OF THE SINS IN THAT CITY. You can not sit down at your computer and honestly DENY the fact that thoses men were having sex with each other. Why would God put that event in the bible? Where the men came around the house demanding to see these two new men. Why did they all get struck down with blindness?? You are a grown man, do you think they wanted to bake cookies and biscuits??? You have eyes but you do not see.
Ok at this point in the essay I am confused and I have no idea what you are talking. These points are vague, far off the point which shows that you are getting a bit desperate. Genesis 19 is proof, sit down read it and think about it. I know that won't happen because you already made up your mind.


99% of homosexuals believe they are right and doing nothing wrong, she/he is a transwhatever so their minds are twisted. Everything you say she twisting it to fit her views. Just leave this one alone and when the time comes her eyes will be open. You can't agrue with a blind person.