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Tafadhali
04-11-06, - 09:11 PM
It is doable but it would be lying if I didnt say I was quite wide-eyed and optimistic initially at the though t of such an undertaking in the bahamian experience...consequences for misdeeds! This wil be very challenging...but the rogue and unscrupulous elitist folks run in the same circles so maybe connections can be made there...Dr Johnson-Sirleaf of Liberia has increased govt revenues by 21% since her short reign and their version of the TRC is underway as we speak... something to watch.

Any suggestions on the course our TRC should take? Ideas...put together a Commission of Inquiry?

Jer
04-11-06, - 09:34 PM
It is doable but it would be lying if I didnt say I was quite wide-eyed and optimistic initially at the though t of such an undertaking in the bahamian experience...consequences for misdeeds! This wil be very challenging...but the rogue and unscrupulous elitist folks run in the same circles so maybe connections can be made there...Dr Johnson-Sirleaf of Liberia has increased govt revenues by 21% since her short reign and their version of the TRC is underway as we speak... something to watch.
Any suggestions on the course our TRC should take? Ideas...put together a Commission of Inquiry?

Liberia's TRC concerns human rights violations and violations of international armed conflict that occurred in Liberia between 1979 and 2003. The was 14 years of Civil war there. How can you even equate this with the Bahamas? Get real..........

Tafadhali
04-11-06, - 09:48 PM
Liberia's TRC concerns human rights violations and violations of international armed conflict that occurred in Liberia between 1979 and 2003. The was 14 years of Civil war there. How can you even equate this with the Bahamas? Get real..........

you insignificant troglodyte...accentuate the positve... I was speaking from an implimentation perspective...did you read the part about the esteemed lady curbing corruption and increasing revenue by over 20%...damn crab...South Africa's TRC had the same human rights perspective- that's where I got the idea from in the first place...

No, Bahamians werent killed or harmed physical(except for dope boys gone missing, or the wrong person fukin with the "elites" money- a la Sir Harry) but mentally that's the worst kind of "violations"...Folks have benefited of the backs of blissfully ignorant Bahamians for far too long and they must stand up and be counted...I say it time and time again the Bahamian case study will be one for all the world to envy we cleaned up our act crossed all T's dotted all I's and moved forward...echoeing the Nassau (http://www.nassauinstitute.org/)Institute's Vision: To see The Bahamas become the first small, developed, sovereign country in the region, recognized as a model for the world.

Jer
04-11-06, - 09:55 PM
you insignificant troglodyte...accentuate the positve... I was speaking from an implimentation perspective...did you read the part about the esteemed lady curbing corruption and increasing revenue by over 20%...damn crab...South Africa's TRC had the same human rights perspective- that's where I got the idea from in the first place...
No, Bahamians werent killed or harmed physical(except for dope boys gone missing, or the wrong person fukin with the "elites" money- a la Sir Harry) but mentally that's the worst kind of "violations"...Folks have benefited of the backs of blissfully ignorant Bahamians for far too long and they must stand up and be counted...I say it time and time again the Bahamian case study will be one for all the world to envy we cleaned up our act crossed all T's dotted all I's and moved forward...echoeing the Nassau (http://www.nassauinstitute.org/)Institute's Vision: To see The Bahamas become the first small, developed, sovereign country in the region, recognized as a model for the world.

The TRC wont help you accomplish this goal to "become the first small, developed, sovereign country in the region, recognized as a model for the world." Your focus on reparations will only serve to divide the country even more. Again you mention South Africa. You compare SOuth African with Bahamas?

Jer
04-11-06, - 09:57 PM
you insignificant troglodyte...accentuate the positve... I was speaking from an implimentation perspective...did you read the part about the esteemed lady curbing corruption and increasing revenue by over 20%...damn crab...South Africa's TRC had the same human rights perspective- that's where I got the idea from in the first place...
No, Bahamians werent killed or harmed physical(except for dope boys gone missing, or the wrong person fukin with the "elites" money- a la Sir Harry) but mentally that's the worst kind of "violations"...Folks have benefited of the backs of blissfully ignorant Bahamians for far too long and they must stand up and be counted...I say it time and time again the Bahamian case study will be one for all the world to envy we cleaned up our act crossed all T's dotted all I's and moved forward...echoeing the Nassau (http://www.nassauinstitute.org/)Institute's Vision: To see The Bahamas become the first small, developed, sovereign country in the region, recognized as a model for the world.

I see you always fall back on calling names when you get pissed and when you cant seem to express yourself. That is so sad and embarrasing.

Tafadhali
04-11-06, - 10:07 PM
I see you always fall back on calling names when you get pissed and when you cant seem to express yourself. That is so sad and embarrasing.

who are you to me...nobody...dont think for one secongd that you antagonize me...Im just intolerant of folks who only have negativity r crab action to add...accentuate the positive...

Tafadhali
04-11-06, - 10:13 PM
The TRC wont help you accomplish this goal to "become the first small, developed, sovereign country in the region, recognized as a model for the world." Your focus on reparations will only serve to divide the country even more. Again you mention South Africa. You compare SOuth African with Bahamas?

no i got the idea from south africa there is a difference...they was no mass murder here...and this TRC has nothing to do with reparations (in that regard-maybe that should be included in the mix...yeah take it all the way back to the days of sir staffford) This Bahamian TRC has to do with the ill-gotten assets due to corruption and side dealings and conflicts of interest...
Question why are you so agaisnt black people getting their due...you can dehumanize a race of people and expect us to live happily ever after...if your family didnt own slaves, you dont have anything to worry about ;) in that regard...

RockWell
04-11-06, - 11:00 PM
:eek: Here we go again!

Tafadhali
04-12-06, - 01:24 AM
:eek: Here we go again!

the TRC is coming!

Rory
04-12-06, - 01:31 AM
the TRC is coming!


is that like the bunny rabit ..?

Jer
04-12-06, - 06:29 AM
no i got the idea from south africa there is a difference...they was no mass murder here...and this TRC has nothing to do with reparations (in that regard-maybe that should be included in the mix...yeah take it all the way back to the days of sir staffford) This Bahamian TRC has to do with the ill-gotten assets due to corruption and side dealings and conflicts of interest...
Question why are you so agaisnt black people getting their due...you can dehumanize a race of people and expect us to live happily ever after...if your family didnt own slaves, you dont have anything to worry about ;) in that regard...


:eek:

12play
04-12-06, - 08:58 AM
If a government minister uses hos position to enrich himself directly, is this a violation of the law, and which law? If yes, are there criminal penalties? What are they? I do not believe that it is a crime. Why would we need an ethics law, or corruption law if it were?What are (is) the mechanisms designed to prevent, expose, and deal with corruption? How is corruption defined in law wrt public officials if it is at all defined? Answers to these questions and others would perhaps shed light on whether a TRC is even necessary.Mexico has a lot of natural resourses just like the USA, but the economy exports surplus workers..I saw that one of the reasons is corruption. A legitimate businessman has to pay off officials to get things done, and you can bribe officials to either do or not do their jobs without consequence to yourself (Your World, Fox News).Are we headed down that road? I see that the online journal has a link to the green card lottery in the USA..I started to sign up yesterday on a link on the weekly standard magazine's website...I cancelled when I saw that it costs plenty money just to sign up..strange omen (green card link), I say...

CG
04-12-06, - 09:08 AM
no i got the idea from south africa there is a difference...they was no mass murder here...and this TRC has nothing to do with reparations (in that regard-maybe that should be included in the mix...yeah take it all the way back to the days of sir staffford) This Bahamian TRC has to do with the ill-gotten assets due to corruption and side dealings and conflicts of interest...
Good luck with that! Those that have the power to start such a TRC are, most likely up to their arm pits in the very things you mentioned. Question why are you so agaisnt black people getting their due...you can dehumanize a race of people and expect us to live happily ever after...if your family didnt own slaves, you dont have anything to worry about in that regard...
How would you determine who held slaves? As I understand it, the big slave owners were English. When slavery ended the sold up and went back home. And what if you do find a person here that fits your definition, and he has little or nothing? You will have spend a lot of money for nothing - like most Commissions of Inquiry!

The TRC in South Africa was about healing. You seem to want revenge!

Tafadhali
04-12-06, - 11:01 AM
Good luck with that! Those that have the power to start such a TRC are, most likely up to their arm pits in the very things you mentioned.
How would you determine who held slaves? As I understand it, the big slave owners were English. When slavery ended the sold up and went back home. And what if you do find a person here that fits your definition, and he has little or nothing? You will have spend a lot of money for nothing - like most Commissions of Inquiry!
The TRC in South Africa was about healing. You seem to want revenge!

this is ridiculous...what is this a test of my resilience...im not the one...ut such is the nature of the beast in "the new world" ...you dont want me to turn on you buddha!

we went in this circle a while back...the Bahamian TRC is about retribution its about "healing" the the treasury...you cant wheel and deal and expect there to be no consequences... I dont know if any other Bahamian thought of such a program as this before I made this suggesstion on this board but...the power will come from where it ultimately reside...in the people...the grassroots...the electorate...not all Bahamians are tainted in corruption you know?...and yes I am a hater of unscrupulous guttersnipe rogue types...

as for the reperations argument...I said it was a collective effort on the part of Commonwealth nations not just Bahamian "vengeful" descendants of slaves(the have-nots) trying to take from "the 10 percenters" (the haves)...and no all british people (not englsih) didnt leave after emanicipation because if that was the case there would be no white bahamians (of british ancestry) nevermind the bahamians of european descent a la greek, italian, "french" scandinavian, jewish ...and even if so... I reinterate, it would be a collective effort amongst descendents of the afro- caribbean slave and or the British Colonial slave...your first generation Bahamian and your white why are you so concerned about the goings on of the slave descendant and what we do or rather what we think? hint hint...leave the black man alone!

now back to topic what are your sugesstions for implementing the TRC?

CG
04-12-06, - 12:53 PM
this is ridiculous...what is this a test of my resilience...im not the one...ut such is the nature of the beast in "the new world" ...you dont want me to turn on you buddha!
Yes it is ridiculous!
we went in this circle a while back...
Yes we did. That is why I surprised you brought it up again.
the Bahamian TRC is about retribution its about "healing" the the treasury...
Slim hope of that!
you cant wheel and deal and expect there to be no consequences...
But that is what happens, most of the time.
I dont know if any other Bahamian thought of such a program as this before I made this suggesstion on this board but...the power will come from where it ultimately reside...in the people...the grassroots...the electorate...not all Bahamians are tainted in corruption you know?...and yes I am a hater of unscrupulous guttersnipe rogue types...
But the “grassroots” does not have the power. It thinks it does, but it does not. If it did would we still have a system that is almost unchanged from before independence? As for those tainted in corruption, I was talking about those in power. You, yourself have said the same.

as for the reperations argument...I said it was a collective effort on the part of Commonwealth nations not just Bahamian "vengeful" descendants of slaves(the have-nots) trying to take from "the 10 percenters" (the haves)...and no all british people (not englsih) didnt leave after emanicipation because if that was the case there would be no white bahamians (of british ancestry)
Many of those came after slavery. Land was cheap!
nevermind the bahamians of european descent a la greek, italian, "french" scandinavian, jewish
Not all those were in the slave trade.
...and even if so... I reinterate, it would be a collective effort amongst descendents of the afro- caribbean slave and or the British Colonial slave...
That will be the day! You all can’t even agree on what to do with Haiti! You think you could get together on something that big? And it would be big. It would take years and years to sort out!
your first generation Bahamian and your white why are you so concerned about the goings on of the slave descendant and what we do or rather what we think? hint hint...
Well, mostly Whites are not interested at all. Maybe that is the problem
leave the black man alone!
Many do! Again that might be the problem.
now back to topic what are your sugesstions for implementing the TRC?
There are none because it will never happen. Unless!!!! The Black man was to take the place of the White establishment, world wide! But as we know the next giants on the world stage will be, not White, nor Black but Yellow. And if you did not like the way the Whites treated you, wait till you get a load of the Chinese Communists!