we are!!!!!!!!!!!!
when a minister can boldly say tht he would blow up parliament if gay were allowed to marry we know this is so.
when a teenage girl is striiped of her crown for the merefact tht she is a lesbian we know this is so.
i can go on and on..........but i think u get my point.......in one breath you persecute homosexuals and in another......when u see it affects your precious tourism market u try to come across aS welcoming?????????
Come on!!!!!!!!!!!
I SAY RIGHT ON MY BROTHER OR WHOEVER WROTE THE ARTICLE


I have not denied these facts. That there are people who have a lower tolerance than others, and there are people who have low tolerances but refrain from expressing it. And how have I persucuted?

What I meant by that is people who go around on a campaign or display of sorts. Take for example Gay Pride or the recent cruise. The need to always come together in a group to once again remind the world that "yes I'm gay", just in case everyone forgot over the past 12 months.
Really, I don't care how you live/dress/talk whatever else. There isn't a reall formula to what a gay person is and how he'she lives because you would be shoucked to know who is.
The point is some people are on the recieving end of homophobia because they brought it on themeselves. Some people carry around a huge bullseye, flashing around "pride" to the people who hate it the most (and in some cases they know who hates it too!).

tht as silly as condoning violence against people who are proud to be black by racist whites.

why should my sexual orientation offend you????? unless of course it makes u second guess yours.

u say u dont care how i live or dress and yet it seems to offend u if i decide to walk out of the house in a pink leotard??lol

the purpose of the "gay cruises" were not to draw attention to themselves but because of the mere fact that as gays they couldnt go on a "regular" cruise and feel comfortable........

I have not denied these facts. That there are people who have a lower tolerance than others, and there are people who have low tolerances but refrain from expressing it. And how have I persucuted?

ok then.......we my point still remains....everyone is entitled to freedom of expression........your comments tend to make it seem accetable to violate these rights against homosexuals.............
when i said "you" i waas refering to us as a people.........

tht as silly as condoning violence against people who are proud to be black by racist whites.
why should my sexual orientation offend you????? unless of course it makes u second guess yours.
u say u dont care how i live or dress and yet it seems to offend u if i decide to walk out of the house in a pink leotard??lol
the purpose of the "gay cruises" were not to draw attention to themselves but because of the mere fact that as gays they couldnt go on a "regular" cruise and feel comfortable........


Society does not accept homosexuality as normal. If you choose to display your homosexuality you will be perceived as abnormal. That is as true in The United States as it is here. If you can't feel comfortable on a regular cruise and cruises are notorious for their anything goes attitudes then that must say something about your lifestyle.

What offended me about the article though was the fact that a Bahamian (my assumption) would go out of their way to hurt The Bahamas and damage its reputation and tourism industry to push an agenda. It also burns me up when I consider that the culprit may be affluent enough to not be affected by the possible ramifications of such actions should the worst case occur. That shows a level of selfishness which I cannot let go unchallenged. They were wrong and if they were not ashamed by their actions they should have been proud to leave their names so they can see just how much we appreciate their efforts.

Let me be clear for you, so that you can recognize my observation from personal opinion.

Observation:

What I am saying in respect to victims of homophobia in this country, most of the victims that I have seen have previously been flaunting their sexuality in front of people that they know strongly dissaprove. To use your comparrison to racists, YOU WOULD BE A FOOL TO WALK INTO A ROOM OF RACISTS AND AS A BLACK MAN, TO START DISPLAYING EVERYTHING, THAT IS TO BE BLACK, FROM LINIAGE TO STEREOTYPE. It would be the same for gay people.

Nobody asks you if you are gay, I have yet to see it on a Bahamian application, so why say so? Like I said in another thread, predjudices are everywhere, you live with it and you deal with it as this world isnt getting any close to perfect. Homophobia is not some petty predjudice like disliking people who like rock, or disliking people who listen to opera, it is a dangerous predjudice so why walk into it's death trap?

People in the Bahamas for a while (whether homophobic or not) have been following the same rule THAT GAY RIGHTS ACTIVISTS HAVE BEEN SAYING: THAT WHAT I DO IN THE BEDROOM IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. But the population does not understand now why the very same people are now going against that and proclaiming their sexual preferance, and when they are attacked by homophobes, they demand justice and rights. Then it leads to the belief of an "agenda".

Personal opinion:

Homophobia is wrong no matter which way you put it. I dont have a problem, with whatever way you chose to live your life. I wont even waste much time to judge as I have my own self to worry about. Do I think violating anyones civil right is acceptable? no. I do think though, that due to the attitude towards gays (whether it is on a religious base or out of fear) that it would not be wise to indicate your sexuality, especailly if anyone has not required that information from you. There are people that will accept you, and then there is everyone else. Sometimes naivete can be fatal...so dont't be naive

One can never underestimate another's desire for individual freedom and self expression. It would be naive to think that a human can be quiet when his freedom is threatened. As a result gay/ lesbian people in the Bahamas are beginning to come out in the light, some will stay quiet others cannot stand back and be verbally or physically assaulted.

Would a black man walk in a room with a bunch of racist? Ofocurse! If he felt his freedom was at stake, Martin Luther King did it countless times. This will give you an indication of just how determined gay people in the Bahamas have become if they walk in the face of predjudice.

If you don't have a problem with gay people-period that is where it should stop really. But the fact of the matter is many people have a problem with the lifestyle.

Classic response. The Wiki article is on "Gay Rights in the Bahamas"...let me repeat .......the subject matter isnt the lovely beaches of the bahamas (for that go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahamas the subject for the article you criticize is "Gay Rights in the Bahamas" not a word of it is untrue. If you dont like the facts, if you dont like how it portrays Bahamians?? do something to change the facts. I dont like them either.

But, it doesn't deal with the facts concerning civil rights and gays. The article races by the rights issue to concentrate on not everyone being gay friendly or accepting of the orientation; heck, the author cannot even differentiate between sexual orientation and transvestites.

So, some people have used freedom of expression to make statements that not all people like. Get used to it, that's democracy. Integral part of democracy is to have variance of opinion, if someone can't be allowed that and to speak his mind, what chance does a group(such as gays) have of not only having a mentality such as sexual orientation, but to act upon it? A thicker skin, and maturity, is needed to recognize that being liked and accepted by everyone is never going to happen because of aspects of the particular individual be it gender, race, sexuality, religion, or whatever.

One can never underestimate another's desire for individual freedom and self expression. It would be naive to think that a human can be quiet when his freedom is threatened. As a result gay/ lesbian people in the Bahamas are beginning to come out in the light, some will stay quiet others cannot stand back and be verbally or physically assaulted.
Would a black man walk in a room with a bunch of racist? Ofocurse! If he felt his freedom was at stake, Martin Luther King did it countless times. This will give you an indication of just how determined gay people in the Bahamas have become if they walk in the face of predjudice.
If you don't have a problem with gay people-period that is where it should stop really. But the fact of the matter is many people have a problem with the lifestyle.


The person that made this WIKI entry is threatening our livelihod, not just gay bashers and homophobes every Bahamian. They put their own well being ahead of the rest of us.

Homosexuality is shunned by the Bahamian community just as it is in every country in the world. If homosexuality is so vilified then the choice to be homosexual must show a disdain for the acceptance of the average person. Why then do they make a choice that is not accepted yet attempt to coerce the community into accepting it. How is it right to take away my freedoms because they feel yours are being threatened, sounds hypocritical to me. Especially considering I didn't choose to be Bahamian but they chose to be gay.

Thats a Batelnet IP
Do a Trace Route on the IP.
More than Likely it is the Rainbow Assoc which is linked to in the article.
Like i said many times before, Wikipedia is a human edited website so take it for what it is worth.

Your right Rory.

But the good thing about Wikipedia for you guys who dont like the article is that you can edit it and put what you think is correct.

The person that made this WIKI entry is threatening our livelihod, not just gay bashers and homophobes every Bahamian. They put their own well being ahead of the rest of us.

Oh I wouldn't go that far. It could have the reverse effect. More people in the world feel the way the average Bahamian feels about homosexuality they are just a little more tolerant and the gay voice is much louder in the US for example. But we have certainly gained favor with the American midwest and the not so liberal as you may think northeast. We may however lose the toursim dollar coming out of San francisco but for the most part this is not threatening if it was the government would have surely appeased the gay folk but this is not the case.


Homosexuality is shunned by the Bahamian community just as it is in every country in the world.
If homosexuality is so vilified then the choice to be homosexual must show a disdain for the acceptance of the average person. Why then do they make a choice that is not accepted yet attempt to coerce the community into accepting it.

That does not make any sense ? Maybe in some right wing religious way or something.

How is it right to take away my freedoms because they feel yours are being threatened, sounds hypocritical to me. Especially considering I didn't choose to be Bahamian but they chose to be gay.



People generally make choices for there own good. That is not a crime unless an actuall crime is being committed. How are they taking away your "freedoms". You are overexaggerating. There needs to be more dialogue in the Bahamas.

One can never underestimate another's desire for individual freedom and self expression. It would be naive to think that a human can be quiet when his freedom is threatened. As a result gay/ lesbian people in the Bahamas are beginning to come out in the light, some will stay quiet others cannot stand back and be verbally or physically assaulted.
Would a black man walk in a room with a bunch of racist? Ofocurse! If he felt his freedom was at stake, Martin Luther King did it countless times. This will give you an indication of just how determined gay people in the Bahamas have become if they walk in the face of predjudice.
If you don't have a problem with gay people-period that is where it should stop really. But the fact of the matter is many people have a problem with the lifestyle.


Preach on it!!!!! Very well put!!!

People generally make choices for there own good. That is not a crime unless an actuall crime is being committed. How are they taking away your "freedoms". You are overexaggerating. There needs to be more dialogue in the Bahamas.
Same can be actually said about homo's.

tht as silly as condoning violence against people who are proud to be black by racist whites.


or racist blacks .. LOL

Would a black man walk in a room with a bunch of racist?


would a white man walk in a room with a bunch of racist?

.. heck no ..

Your right Rory.
But the good thing about Wikipedia for you guys who dont like the article is that you can edit it and put what you think is correct.


exactly, and they are still bikkering .. go ahead and make your changes already .. both sides of the equation .. it should make for an even more interesting read afterwards .. LOL

BTW, they dont need Wikipedia fake dictionary site to get a bad impression of the Bahamas, they just have to read some of the threads on here .. which for the non tecks is high in the ranks on google ..