One can never underestimate another's desire for individual freedom and self expression. It would be naive to think that a human can be quiet when his freedom is threatened. As a result gay/ lesbian people in the Bahamas are beginning to come out in the light, some will stay quiet others cannot stand back and be verbally or physically assaulted.
Would a black man walk in a room with a bunch of racist? Ofocurse! If he felt his freedom was at stake, Martin Luther King did it countless times. This will give you an indication of just how determined gay people in the Bahamas have become if they walk in the face of predjudice.
If you don't have a problem with gay people-period that is where it should stop really. But the fact of the matter is many people have a problem with the lifestyle.

Very good hope other will hear what you have said.
Oh abd BTW is heterosexuality a lifestyle???

I say gays have the right to get a left, just like anybody who invades my personal space.:)

I agree. And straights will get a right (just like anyone else) if they invade my space. Thats the point... to each his own right? (or get a "right" to the jaw).

But, it doesn't deal with the facts concerning civil rights and gays. The article races by the rights issue to concentrate on not everyone being gay friendly or accepting of the orientation; heck, the author cannot even differentiate between sexual orientation and transvestites.
So, some people have used freedom of expression to make statements that not all people like. Get used to it, that's democracy. Integral part of democracy is to have variance of opinion, if someone can't be allowed that and to speak his mind, what chance does a group(such as gays) have of not only having a mentality such as sexual orientation, but to act upon it? A thicker skin, and maturity, is needed to recognize that being liked and accepted by everyone is never going to happen because of aspects of the particular individual be it gender, race, sexuality, religion, or whatever.

Accepted and liked I don't care about nor do most Kilobits But protection under the law and equality is whats needed.
If Joe Bahamian business owner does not like GLBT we can do business with Jane Bahamian business owner that is GLBT friendly simple. The problem is even Jane has to be careful even when she is not GLBT

The person that made this WIKI entry is threatening our livelihod, not just gay bashers and homophobes every Bahamian. They put their own well being ahead of the rest of us. I am glad it hits home maybe you will begin to hear us as human beings
Homosexuality is shunned by the Bahamian community just as it is in every country in the world. I think its time you do some reserch. Homosexuality is not shunned in every country in the world. If homosexuality is so vilified then the choice to be homosexual must show a disdain for the acceptance of the average person. When did you choose not to be homosexual???? Why then do they make a choice that is not accepted yet attempt to coerce the community into accepting it. The only choice GLBT make is to not live a lie. How is it right to take away my freedoms because they feel yours are being threatened, sounds hypocritical to me. Please explain how my being an open transgender take your freedom? How does an open homosexual take your freedom?? Especially considering I didn't choose to be Bahamian but they chose to be gay.

As the question before when did you choose not to be gay??

Victims of homophobia that I know of are all effeminate gays, and all were minding their own business while leaving a gay club or walking the public street and even doing their work while on their jobs ( verbally abbused and made fun off). None asked for it. Stevie Wonder could see they were gay.
I see bahamain men taunting and ridiculeing guys who are obviously homosexuals only when they are in the company of other guys; there always has to be spectators; why?
I once held the belief that "all men play unless their religeon forbids it". Get a man alone and convince him no one will find out and he'll be down with it. But I have come to meet a few who have nothing against it but wont do it because its not a turn on for them.
I heard some people say " The Bahamas is a christian nation--it has christian principles in its constitution", I feel proud when I hear that especially from my foreign friends, a lady friend of mine likes to remind me how please Bill Gates was with our Mother Pratts address some time ago. While many people cannot comprehend why a movie for adults was banned, they could apreciate why a "gay cruise" caused so much ruckus. It was'nt the first time an all gay cruise came here; but now they have to come under a banner announceing themselves members of a lifestyle that is forbidden by " a christian nation".The travel agents advertise the cruise to get people to come on the cruise simple. Then its the people here that want to make money and kick up a ruckes. Yes make money as I was at the rally downtown Just befor the cruise came. They had collection plates and openly asked for money. As they pointed their fingrers at us and called us all sorts of things but human beings. As we stood there quitely eating our red lolipops.
I think to a great extent people respect you depending on how you conduct yourself, they might disapprove of your sexual prefference but treat you the same as anybody else.
Are real men homophobic ? many bahamian straight males would feel quite uncomfortable conversateing or hanging out in the bahamian public with an effeminate or obviously gay male, why ? this always amuses me.

birds of a feather...if you choose 2 be a flamein gay,swishin,swayin and displayin a limp-wrist,you set-yourself-up as a target 4 violence,don't ask why it's like that,that's how it is worldwide,deal with it or keep your will in your back pocket.

And in most of the world you target and attact a flamein gay,swishin,swayin and displayin a limp-wrist, person you going to jail for a long long time. But not in the Bahamas.

I am glad it hits home maybe you will begin to hear us as human beings


It doesn't matter to you or your activist comrades if we hear you. You want us to approve of your lifestyles. Most Bahamaians refuse to do that. Why should homosexuals be entitled to more rights than heterosexuals?


I think its time you do some reserch. Homosexuality is not shunned in every country in the world.


The mainstream of every country in the world shuns homosexuality, there may be laws against open discrimination but most people do not accept or approve of your lifestyle


When did you choose not to be homosexual????The only choice GLBT make is to not live a lie.


I choose not to be homosexual every day, so do most Bahamians. Had you done the same you wouldn't need to worry about heterosexuals accepting you. You would just have to worry about homosexuals attempting to push their gay agenda like the rest of us.


Please explain how my being an open transgender take your freedom? How does an open homosexual take your freedom??


The person attempting to take away my freedoms are the persons that chose to publish inflamatory information about my country in an attempt to hurt us for our non-acceptance and non-aproval of their choices. If you don't see that as irresponsible and selfish then I cannot help you.


As the question before when did you choose not to be gay??


This is the same tired question homosexual activists always ask, and the answer is we do so every day every one of us that lacks the narcissistic selfish attitudes of you and your cohorts.

keep-in mind gay lifestyle is highly repulsive,remember Jenny jones show,get a real man alone and you'll get the publicity you want on the obituary page,:eek:cyan say you never been warned.

Jenny Jones show was out right wrong...
I wonder how it would have turned out if it was a white races guy and a black gal that had the crush...

i don't wish no violence or death 2 gays,what i do wish 4 gays is that they be more aware and cease from provokin none gays just cause you think it's your rights 2 act a fool and cut-up with men,there is no law natural or otherwise that stipulate that,please consider this,take what you can from it and disgaurd the rest,what you take is a seed 2 sow,and the fruit of that seed is another levell of wisdom.bless.

another level of wisdom is equality for all..

I think those are just examples of human nature...don't you?
I think men are agressive by nature,until wisened and mellowed by age...don't you? Consequently when men are young they are by and large intolerant and ready to strike out at a threat to their fraternal masculinity. [QUOTE=trubahamian]That is the Tough Guise (not guys) mantality they learn and grow up with. Make you a man when you screech your tires or drink a beer in a few seconds. Or pick on someone (that you can obviously beat.) [QUOTE=trubahamian]As far as I can tell those quotes were good advice.:) BTW/ I een gat nothin against sissies...good luck to dem!

another level of wisdom is equality for all..

Well George Bush is pushing to protect traditional view of marriage in the USA. Dont you think that will hurt your cause here in the Bahamas?

why not just say point blank i-omega is "unchristian?nothin wrong with that,you may also get puffed-up with pride and claim how nice and serene you are,i don't put clothes-on my words,even a child could overstand it,you chose 2 focus on the effect of the consequences as violence advocated,thats called spin,i'll give you credit 4 your past comments and i'm not gonna engage in no counters or rebutts at this time,did you miss on purpose my clarification 2 YK when i said on the same page on the same day"i don't wish violence or death 4 gays" or had you included that it would of nullified and void your charges? what do you think any reasonable person would say you're doin as a very christian,tolerable,nice person that you are?small-minded is pale in comparison,is it an evil suggestion you're castin?:dgi: :voodoo:

Iomega:

You cannont talk about gay and homophobia in the Bahamas without addressing religion. That’s like talking about the war in Iraq but saying lets "leave Bushes name out of it".

I dont know you Iomega and i dont know if you are christian or otherwise. The reason i didnt say that your words were not christianlike is because i dont know if being christianlike is something you espouse too (hence the question).

But it is true that the christians i have heard from most often (maybe because they are most vocal?) are ripe with intolerance. But i tend to think its that person, that churchs, that pastors problem. I dont know that the core christian beliefs that i was taught jibe with the increasingly intolerant nature of many (not all) christian churches.

The reason i posted those quotes (which were said by you and others VERBATIM) is because i wanted you to see your own words. Because i read them and then i read what you posted in your signatory line....and they didnt seem to relate to me. (or did they....see below)

I often find that the most intolerant people use religion as a foundation of their intolerance (homophobia, Klan, Westboro Baptist Church, even slavery used religion links provided at bottom). I think its a fault of the people and their pastors and the churches that preach that hate (i do not necessarily believe it is the religion itself). But i am no religious expert so i will defer to others on that. In my experience religion was always taught to me too be the kind of person that reaches into themselves to do more and be more for the people around you. Thats my religious experience. and i see less and less of that everyday.

So yes i did ask the question within that framework. But not as a trap to catch u. Only a way of continuing the conversation. I cant help if my approach appears to be sneaky or deceptive....it is not meant to be. What do you think I was going to do shout…..”AHA!!! I caught you heathen!!??” Not my style....im a talker......only a fighter if i need to be. (but i dont play those kinda games).

Sit in my shoes a sec: This is not all christians.....but do you see a connection?

Westboro Baptist Church - Godhatesfags.com:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/

KKK
http://www.kkk.com/

It takes a real man to confess Jesus as Lord and Savior. I’m not talking about no faggot or no sissy:
http://pandagon.net/2006/05/06/dc-homobigot-pastor-tries-to-top-willie-wilson/

It doesn't matter to you or your activist comrades if we hear you. You want us to approve of your lifestyles. Most Bahamaians refuse to do that. Why should homosexuals be entitled to more rights than heterosexuals?
The mainstream of every country in the world shuns homosexuality, there may be laws against open discrimination but most people do not accept or approve of your lifestyle
I choose not to be homosexual every day, so do most Bahamians. Had you done the same you wouldn't need to worry about heterosexuals accepting you. You would just have to worry about homosexuals attempting to push their gay agenda like the rest of us.
The person attempting to take away my freedoms are the persons that chose to publish inflamatory information about my country in an attempt to hurt us for our non-acceptance and non-aproval of their choices. If you don't see that as irresponsible and selfish then I cannot help you.
This is the same tired question homosexual activists always ask, and the answer is we do so every day every one of us that lacks the narcissistic selfish attitudes of you and your cohorts.


de redhead? are you sure your not blonde?

I am a man. I am young. I am aggressive. I am not prejudice. I do not advocate for violence. I am not intolerant.
How am i (just as an example) a threat to their fraternal masculinity?

Good advice? I think not. A real man is not one because of who he sleeps (or how many). I dont know how you define "real man" but unfounded fear, bias, feeling threatened by imaginary "sissies", prejudice, intolerance, ignorance, stupidity.....weak bravado.

I dont see any "real man" in any of that. Please point it out to me so I can see?

Now thats being real! (the sissie part throws me a bit.....but hey i think understand where u coming from).

I....say anythin about (real men?) or right or wrong or even what is proper behavya? I tink not,I just commentin on human behavior ya know. That is all...........that is all. Please do not use my benign comment of me observations as a platform for you grievences.:confused:

I....say anythin about (real men?) or right or wrong or even what is proper behavya? I tink not,I just commentin on human behavior ya know. That is all...........that is all. Please do not use my benign comment of me observations as a platform for you grievences.:confused:


Well since you asked:


I think those are just examples of human nature...don't you?
I think men are agressive by nature,until wisened and mellowed by age...don't you? Consequently when men are young they are by and large intolerant and ready to strike out at a threat to their fraternal masculinity. As far as I can tell those quotes were good advice.:) BTW/ I een gat nothin against sissies...good luck to dem!


but ok....you were referring to "men" and it was someone else who used "real men".

Either way i wasnt "using [your] benign comments of [your]observations as a platform for [my] grievences. :confused:

I thought this was a board used for people to discuss things?