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Vicky
06-06-06, - 11:16 AM
It doesn't matter to you or your activist comrades if we hear you. You want us to approve of your lifestyles. Most Bahamaians refuse to do that. Why should homosexuals be entitled to more rights than heterosexuals? Not more rights but equal rights
The mainstream of every country in the world shuns homosexuality, there may be laws against open discrimination but most people do not accept or approve of your lifestyleNo so and I sa prove it...
I choose not to be homosexual every day, So you are a attracted to the same sex but choose not to be. so do most Bahamians. Had you done the same you wouldn't need to worry about heterosexuals accepting you. I don't fit the homosexual stero type nor do I fit the heterosexual stero type. I am transgenderd do you homework please. You would just have to worry about homosexuals attempting to push their gay agenda like the rest of us. If you call equal human rights an agenda so be it other than that please what Gay Agenda??
The person attempting to take away my freedoms are the persons that chose to publish inflamatory information about my country in an attempt to hurt us for our non-acceptance and non-aproval of their choices. If you don't see that as irresponsible and selfish then I cannot help you. So someone posting a warning to all GLBT about GLBT issues in the Bahamas takes away your freedom. It is not inflammatory information its fact. Your words here prove it. If GLBT are such insignificant people what are you so worried about.
This is the same tired question homosexual activists always ask, and the answer is we do so every day every one of us that lacks the narcissistic selfish attitudes of you and your cohorts.

WinterGrace
06-06-06, - 11:19 AM
Well George Bush is pushing to protect traditional view of marriage in the USA. Dont you think that will hurt your cause here in the Bahamas?


He said marriage is between a man and a woman ....and Vicky not a man dress up as a woman either....:hammer:

Vicky
06-06-06, - 11:22 AM
Well George Bush is pushing to protect traditional view of marriage in the USA. Dont you think that will hurt your cause here in the Bahamas?

I have no issue with traditional view of marriage. It's about equal rights for all people. Can have a civil union or by another name as long as the rights are equal.
George Bush is out at the end of his term.

Vicky
06-06-06, - 11:28 AM
de redhead? are you sure your not blonde?

My wife is blond but she is not dumb..:cutie:

Vicky
06-06-06, - 11:37 AM
He said marriage is between a man and a woman ....and Vicky not a man dress up as a woman either....:hammer:

Not just a man dress up as a woman a transgender or you might understand transsexual.

Wounder what would happen in Bush's view of a marriage if the man has a sex change after the marriage and the couple choose to saty together???

WinterGrace
06-06-06, - 11:43 AM
Wounder what would happen in Bush's view of a marriage if the man has a sex change after the marriage and the couple choose to saty together???


Just because a man had a sex change into a woman doesn't make him a woman, God and the Law still sees him as a man...

Bahamasinmyheart
06-06-06, - 11:45 AM
Well George Bush is pushing to protect traditional view of marriage in the USA. Dont you think that will hurt your cause here in the Bahamas?


Good question.

Couple of things to note.

1. Bush doesnt truly support the ammendment to the US Constitution .... but the core of his political party (conservative, racist, homophobic, middle america (christian?)) does and requires he make a stand on it. He timed his speech with the knowledge that the ammendment would fail.....this by no means is an excuse, he still proposed it. But he was simply doing what his base wanted him to do with the knowledge that it would not succeed.

2. If you like Bush then there is nothing i will be able to write to make you see the error of your ways. However if you have been awake for the last couple of years you know that this is the worse president in quite possibly the history of the world and what he stands for and behind should have little consequence after he leaves office.

(and because i just wrote this i suspect the cia just opened a file on me :taped2:. . . thats the world we live in under Bush).

Bahamasinmyheart
06-06-06, - 11:52 AM
My wife is blond but she is not dumb..:cutie:



:footmouth

It was a joke in poor taste (i do know better) apologies to all. You are a much more patient responder than i am (see....i'm not always "serene"... im human and flawed also). (but i think u know what i meant :shhh: )

:footmouth

WinterGrace
06-06-06, - 12:02 PM
Good question.
Couple of things to note.
1. Bush doesnt truly support the ammendment to the US Constitution .... but the core of his political party (conservative, racist, homophobic, middle america (christian?)) does and requires he make a stand on it. He timed his speech with the knowledge that the ammendment would fail.....this by no means is an excuse, he still proposed it. But he was simply doing what his base wanted him to do with the knowledge that it would not succeed.


Yes I heard that one but bare in mind he was preaching opposite sex marriage before his presidency, it wasn't timed. He is a southern boy, he believes in it.

Jer
06-06-06, - 12:13 PM
Good question.
Couple of things to note.
1. Bush doesnt truly support the ammendment to the US Constitution .... but the core of his political party (conservative, racist, homophobic, middle america (christian?)) does and requires he make a stand on it. He timed his speech with the knowledge that the ammendment would fail.....this by no means is an excuse, he still proposed it. But he was simply doing what his base wanted him to do with the knowledge that it would not succeed.
2. If you like Bush then there is nothing i will be able to write to make you see the error of your ways. However if you have been awake for the last couple of years you know that this is the worse president in quite possibly the history of the world and what he stands for and behind should have little consequence after he leaves office.
(and because i just wrote this i suspect the cia just opened a file on me :taped2:. . . thats the world we live in under Bush).

I think your going off topic a bit. My point is if Bush pushes this through, it will make it all the more difficult for it to be accepted in the bahamas. Harper is also attempting to re-open this issue. Whether Bush is a good prez or not, if this law is passed, then Vickys agenda will be harder to obtain.

What country you in Vicky?

Bahamasinmyheart
06-06-06, - 12:33 PM
I think your going off topic a bit. My point is if Bush pushes this through, it will make it all the more difficult for it to be accepted in the bahamas. Harper is also attempting to re-open this issue. Whether Bush is a good prez or not, if this law is passed, then Vickys agenda will be harder to obtain.
What country you in Vicky?


If Bush wanted to really push this thru he would have lobbied for it and given his speech at some point prior to the last 24 hours before the actual vote. My point is that this law wont be passed.. . . and thats due in part because surprisingly enough: Bush doesnt want it passed. If you have ever seen a president "push" something through congress you would be able to tell that Bush isnt "pushing" this at all (this is not even barely a light shove). For something as important and history making as a constitutional ammendment .... does this strike you as a "Push"?
or does it look more like lip service to his contituents. Thats all i was saying.

Vicky
06-06-06, - 12:33 PM
Just because a man had a sex change into a woman doesn't make him a woman, God and the Law still sees him as a man...

How do you know how God the Creator see the transsexual???
Laws in which country.
Here in the Bahamas the laws state that a woman can get a divorce is her husband has a sex change.... Why because he is now seen as a woman....
As I said do you research before you post please.

Bahamasinmyheart
06-06-06, - 12:42 PM
Yes I heard that one but bare in mind he was preaching opposite sex marriage before his presidency, it wasn't timed. He is a southern boy, he believes in it.


No I believe that he is certainly not gay friendly (its ok im not Bush friendly). But he does not want a constitutional amendment. For whatever purposes or reasons or advisors who have correctly gotten to him and told him that changing the constitution to target the gay population would be an historical and monumental mistake. And shockingly enough to me....Bush has decided not to throw his support behind the amendment. Of course he still proposed it.....but to those in the know.....this is simply lip service to his core support base. Still despicable in my book.....but the amendment wont succeed and Bush himself is not looking for it to succeed. There is a difference between saying something and believing it. For example: Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

WinterGrace
06-06-06, - 01:02 PM
How do you know how God the Creator see the transsexual???


Isaiah 44:2
"This is what the LORD says— he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you"

Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Ecclesiastes 11:5
"As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother's womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things."

From these verses it tells me that we all were created by God in our mother's wombs (cloning is another thread) sex change is not what God created, it's what man has created, so in the Creator's eyes He sees what He has made in the womb and not what man has made in the OR.

Vicky
06-06-06, - 05:11 PM
Yes I heard that one but bare in mind he was preaching opposite sex marriage before his presidency, it wasn't timed. He is a southern boy, he believes in it.

Uh sorry the whole thing was timed because if he did not use the gay marriage trump card he would have lost the election big time. The whole Gay marriage thing was a set up. You could say the biggest publicity stunt in the world.
Bush was going to lose the election he could not justify the attack on Iraq after they could not find WMDs so the focus was shifted. Make them look the other way so they don't look at me...

Just my humble opinion from info I got....