OK! Now I think I am beginning to see! Thanks Red! It is not the wall, as a wall, we all have such things around our properties to keep unwelcome “guests” out or to secure our land, keep the dogs in, protect our cars etc. etc. The wall is a symbol, chosen for whatever reason, (perhaps it’s huge size?) to represent barriers set up in the majority’s way - not only physically, but mentally as well. Am I getting there?


Yes, you're finally getting there.

Am I getting there?


LOL....they are tarrying with you until you see the light!

Yes, you're finally getting there.

"Getting?" How much more until I "got it?" lead me on!

LOL....they are tarrying with you until you see the light!

Yes, I know:) but we are all learning something I hope. :bouncy:

"Getting?" How much more until I "got it?" lead me on!


Follow Collin's Avenue :bouncy:

Yes, I know:) but we are all learning something I hope. :bouncy:

where is the apology to your Black Bahamian brother and sisters ...

...barriers set up in the majority’s way - not only physically, but mentally as well.

...but what does that mean?

you should have been there...this is was an open and shut case and I find it hard to believe you couldnt grasp the concept the first time around...folks gave the berlin wall scenario and you still chose your self-righteousness erroneous path...Im not impressed...sad and sickening.

"Getting?" How much more until I "got it?" lead me on!


I can't say but none of us ever truly gets there.

BTW I don't get angry when you express your views as some do even when it seems to be insensitive. I understand that we all grew up in different times and had different experiences. I realize that when you were young in The Bahamas Collins wall wasn't a big deal to you. I realize that some of the things which are now considered awful were normal in your eyes at some time. As we learn and grow we realize that what we saw as okay yesterday may not be okay tomorrow. I realize that you are a bit older than me and that is the reason that I can be cool with you and your ideas. You grew up when racism was accepted. That is why you sometimes miss what others find obvious. Despite this you can accept when you realize that your opinion may not have gone over well with someone else, and say I was wrong. I respect you for that.

...but what does that mean?
you should have been there...this is was an open and shut case and I find it hard to believe you couldnt grasp the concept the first time around...folks gave the berlin wall scenario and you still chose your self-righteousness erroneous path...Im not impressed...sad and sickening.

First of all, the Berlin wall was made primarily to keep people in, not out!

Secondly, if the symbolism of Collins wall was so important to you how come you could not explain it..first time 'round?

My comments “barriers set up.....not only physically, but mentally as well” simply means that physical barriers were, for example, Blacks could not go to the Savoy Theater etc. etc.. Mentally barriers was a belief that Blacks could not learn anything too difficult! Many Black at the time believed it too and left school as soon as they could.

As for the apology? It maybe coming soon!:) Once I talk a bit more with de redhead! He knows how to get his point across without rancor!

1.First of all, the Berlin wall was made primarily to keep people in, not out!
2.Secondly, if the symbolism of Collins wall was so important to you how come you could not explain it..first time 'round?
My comments “barriers set up.....not only physically, but mentally as well” simply means that physical barriers were, for example, Blacks could not go to the Savoy Theater etc. etc.. Mentally barriers was a belief that Blacks could not learn anything too difficult!

3. Many Black at the time believed it too and left school as soon as they could.
4. As for the apology? It maybe coming soon!:) Once I talk a bit more with de redhead! He knows how to get his point across without rancor!

1. berlin wall/collins wall...in/out same thing...symbolism:segregated!

2. I chose not to explain...because it was so obvious to me as it should have been to you "old wise and omniscient buddha"...you didnt even know what it was...and I admitted I didnt know why the wall was there but I know what it was...you assumed the man built the wall to keep black people from stealing his fruit...and I called you out on it...you were wrong and the self-righteousness persist...SMT

3. black people left school early in days gone by because folks had to help their families survive...blacks didnt have trust funds made on the backs of slaves to live off...when you dont have an outlet to education (in those days school went up to 6th grade and you had to pay if you wanted to finish your studies) what else do you want a people to do...eat and survive or read and starve to death? Its so obvious you know very little about the Black Bahamian experience, or even the experience of Black people in general...you have no idea...so ask dont assume...

4. im intolerant of foolishness...you may get over his head but not mine...dont kid yourself im not waiting on your apology...im not waiting on a white man for nothing...you got life and me fukd up! (pardon the expression) i was just simply stating that an apology is in order...

Yes, I know:) but we are all learning something I hope. :bouncy:


but honest to god (or buddha), cg ... what are you failing to grasp here? the collins avenue wall was originally built as a literal physical divide to separate the white and black communities back in the 1920s, by the surreal and legendary mr. collins. the analogy to the modern day head of majestic travel certainly comes to mind, don't you think, he of recent 'run the black man off my property with a gun' fame? (see, delroy? i'm not naming names.)

i only spent a few years in nassau going to school, but even i was made aware of the awful significance of the collins wall architecture. i think it has been more than spelled out in the recent conversation, so i'm uncertain as to why you continue to claim ignorance of the issue. your previous writings have suggested a better wisdom.

but honest to god (or buddha), cg ... what are you failing to grasp here? the collins avenue wall was originally built as a literal physical divide to separate the white and black communities back in the 1920s, by the surreal and legendary mr. collins.
The wall as a symbol of division I can see. Once in a library in New York I saw an old copy of the National Geographic, 1940's I think. It showed a photo, take from the air, of the house, wall and area in question. The front was up to Shirley street. The back where Wulff road is. It was huge! But navigation around it was very possible. Nor was the eastern boarder, Blacks only. There were many houses out east that were whites lived, including mine! Black housing was more on is southern side. The wall was a symbol of division, not a real division in itself. If that was its intend, it failed badly, but as a symbol - I can see that.
the analogy to the modern day head of majestic travel certainly comes to mind, don't you think, he of recent 'run the black man off my property with a gun' fame? (see, delroy? i'm not naming names.)
Well, the guy in question needs help (and his gun confiscated.)

i only spent a few years in nassau going to school, but even i was made aware of the awful significance of the collins wall architecture. i think it has been more than spelled out in the recent conversation, so i'm uncertain as to why you continue to claim ignorance of the issue. your previous writings have suggested a better wisdom.
The thing is, I see it one way, you another. I knew the wall. I walked on it. I knew where it was. I saw it when a lot of it was still standing. What I did not know was the symbolism it held in other people’s minds. (Seems I am not the only one!) Taffy here it comes!!!! If I offended that symbolism I am sorry. But perhaps if folks could express their symbolism better this thread could have ended a long time ago!

PS. I can’t claim perfect wisdom, or even close to it. Who can? But I am willing to learn, to open up to the other guy’s views, I hope without the abuse visited on me by some on this board who likely don’t know either and hide that with “strong language.” Present company excluded. :)

The wall as a symbol of division I can see. Once in a library in New York I saw an old copy of the National Geographic, 1940's I think. It showed a photo, take from the air, of the house, wall and area in question. The front was up to Shirley street. The back where Wulff road is. It was huge! But navigation around it was very possible. Nor was the eastern boarder, Blacks only. There were many houses out east that were whites lived, including mine! Black housing was more on is southern side. The wall was a symbol of division, not a real division in itself. If that was its intend, it failed badly, but as a symbol - I can see that.


when my great-uncle was working with sir stafford sands and sir etienne dupuch to form the initial bahamas development board in nassau even in the 1940s, the collins wall was well-considered as a literal means of social and economic division. he told stories of that wall for years. so the wall may not have been manned by control towers and bright lights and armed soldiers, but a certain physical delineation and curfew was most definitely observed.

we have the same sorts of divisions throughout the country today, that are simply understood. things have gotten a lot better, i.e. my black bahamian friends who work in spanish wells can actually sleep there now, but certain up yonder and down yonder distinctions remain to this day. to ignore the distinctions and separations that more than eighty percent of the country once lived with is to refute any possibility of healing those same divisions today.

Yes, I know:) but we are all learning something I hope. :bouncy:


dont open a business near this wall .. :voodoo:

dont open a business near this wall .. :voodoo:


touche!

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