I am convinced now that the only way that I can prove to you that Gambling is wrong is if The Almighty Himself comes down and tell you so.
That would prove a lot.
But if the Creator came as a humble human Christians like you would crucify him again.

Vicky said "I use he/her/it because I don't believe the Creator has male or female genitals."
Wow!
You need to expand on that Vicky! Particularly in the light of the passage you quoted earlier, "The Creator knew about Gambeling before the Creator even made the earth. "and without Him was not any thing made that was made."
Hi CG
The Creator is as a spirit and I don’t feel it would have the need for male or female genitals. Who would the Creator have sex with???

This part is as quoted by Delroy I left it as “him” so it would be recognized as Delroys quote

Quote:Originally Posted by Vicky
Hi all have been doing a project for the Alliance and have not had the time to get on Bahamasissues.

so I wiil respond to many of these posts but I won't keep all the text from the long ones.

Hey Delroy seems you meet a friend of mine cool


VickyYou mean I know a friend of yours.
I know allot of people and the one that your talking about I worked with a long time ago.

Great person!

Delroy sorry about the bad grammar but I am trying to get the thoughts out of my head and typing them is just not fast enough.

How do you get the Quote to work on your posts????

Originally Posted by o3parietal
That, my dear sir, is open for divergent views. What Christ gave up in coming down here as Immanuel, and was prepared to give up or LOSE for The FATHER's Sake as The Lamb is the VERY reason as to why some are able to have faith. Other than that, their faith be in vain.Lets see in most Christians faith the Creator and Christ are 1.
If this is the case then Christ gave up nothing. It was just a show for mankind.


In some. I won't say most.

One, some, all or none of the posters on this site may just be one of those individuals who likes to dress in lingerie with big gruffy hairy arms and ruby red lipstick.
Now you picking on me I love wearing red lipstick Especially Revlon Cherries In The Snow with a gloss on top.
Lingerie I wear it everyday but I am not hairy. I do have long hair on my head.

NO No NO NO NO, Vicki. Let me make this clear. That statement was preceded by another. I was not picking on you. Was not directed to you or suggesting you.
I don't know you, I don't know of you or anything about you other than what I've read on this site. And what I've read on this site is that you're someone who is discrete yet not deceitful about who and what you are.

That statement was along the lines of suggestivism of the kind of individuals that are one person online and another person away from the computer. Say one thing and live the next.

An example would be a former online relationship I had with someone named "Jamie"...rather I should say some ones.
"Jamie" turned out to be three different people. A young man, and two girls.

How do you get the Quote to work on your posts????


You have to surround the portions you want to quote with HTML.
ever noticed these "(quote)" "(/quote)" <---but with different brackets? [ ] <---like those?

Well whatever you encase between (quote)in this space here(/quote) {without the quotation marks but in the square-like brackets} will come up as quoted in your post.

Like all things that God created for mans’ enjoyment and benefit; Satan distorts for his own purpose. From sex to drugs to music and yes, even gambling has been counterfeited by Satan. These situations may seem complicated but they are quite simple to understand and resolve from a biblical approachThe Creator made Satan to. Why?????

God created Lucifer not Satan.
Lucifer became Satan because of sin.

Borrowing money from a bank is not gaining from the loss of
another.
That’s why banks require collateral. If a man is willing to risk the
welfare of his family and home by investing in a business project that has
a potential to fail and in so failing cost him his home and family; he is
a fool. Any financial advisor would tell you not to places yourself or
your family in such a position.

Dose not the man loose his house to the bank, who gains
wins


Please show me your quotes in the Bible.The Bible says that God created
everything Vicky.
John 1:3 “All things were made by Him; and without Him/her/its was not any
thing made that was made.”
All things Vicky!

you put your foot in your mouth with this 1. I was
waiting for you to come up with this in our creation debate.
The Creator knew what I am before I knew what I am. (For those that think
we choose to be different) The Creator knew my choice before I was born.
The Creator knew about Gambeling before the Creator even made the earth.
"and without Him was not any thing made that was made."

Genesis 2:31
Oh and look at Genesis 2:26 please take note of the word "them".
Out of context as you Christians like to do Genesis 2: 27 So the Creator
created man in his/her/its own image, in the image of the he/her/it
created he/her/it him male and female created he/her/it them.
I use he/her/it becaues I don't belive the Creator has male or female
genitals.


Like I told your friend yesterday Vicky; there is an answer to every
question if you would take the time to look for it.
If the Bible says that something is wrong, it is wrong!
God doesn't contradict Himself.

Eve was created out of Adam! Adam was formed from the dust of the earth.
The image of God is spirit. God's image is invisible so in Genesis 26 when God said, "Let us make man in our image" He was referring
to His personality or like we Bahamians would say; "His ways".
That verse is not talking about anything psychical. God is Spirit, not man
and not woman but Spirit. Thats why when Jesus came to earth He had to
take on our form.
Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not
robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and
took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of
men:"

And about God knowing everything before it happens:
The creator knows what was, what is and what will be.
God knows what you are and what you can be.
Hell was created for Satan and his angels, not man. God never intended for
us to go there but all sin needs to be destroyed. We are unique in that
God has given us the freedom to choose what path we want to take in life.
God knows our future but He doesn't make our future, that is our job.

We all are learning the affects of sin here on earth.
If God wanted to He could destroy Satan as we speak but we must first be restored to His image through Jesus.

To find out what is wrong or what shouldn't be, all we have to do is look
at God's original plan.

God's original plan was clearly laid out in Genesis.
Whatever happened after man sinned was not God's original plan.
Every child born after sin was born in sin including myself.
Being born in sin makes us imperfect in all kinds of way, some visible and some invisible.
Some people are born alcoholics.
Some people are born drug addicts.
Some people are born with mental and psychical problems.
Some are born with violet tendencies.
Some are born premature.
And Yes! Some are born Trans-gendered.
No one in this world was born according to God's original plan.
I wasn't born perfect.

All of us need to be restored back to God's original plan and that can only be done through the healing that comes from Jesus Christ.
Everyone needs to be healed!

I don't need to debate that Homosexually goes against God's original plan.
I know it does!

I don't need to debate that Gambling goes against God's original plan.
I know it does!

The truth has already won before the debate started.
The hardest battle to win is convincing the harden heart of a man.

Hosea 4:6 says "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge".

How true this is.
If it weren’t for those that think out side of your type of type of blind faith we would still be thinking the world is flat. Diabetics would live and die miserably because the best supply of insulin comes from pig’s blood. If you need me to go further on the food values and sacredness of blood in the Old Testament I will.

I am not a Jew.

The truth is that only Jesus is right and we are all made righteous through Him. Therefore there is only one that is right.

Foot in the mouth again. You did not say Old Testament to.

Please teach me where did Christ say anything about gambling or homosexuality.

Referring to the type of gambling in casinos or lottery. Check this out lots lottery.
Don't give me any references that relate gambling to faith.
You gamble your soul that your faith is right, as do all the other people of their faith. You gamble your life that you even have a soul.

The old testament was based upon Jesus.
Show me in the Bible where building a nuclear weapon is wrong.
But you and I both know that there is noting good about nuclear weapons.

There are many scriptures in the Bible that speaks against homosexuality.
Jesus is the Word (John 1:1) like my signature says below.
And since Christ is the Word, whatever the Bible says; He says.
Jesus only says what the Father says and the Holy Spirit a witness of God.

All are One God and what one says, the other is in agreement.

I have yet to hear a preacher or any other of these so called Christians say they are sorry for all the men, women and children murdered, tortured and all their land and possessions taken from them in the name of their Christianity. Because of the greedy misguided Christian leaders and their misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the Bible. Which they used the peoples ignorance to create fear and hate so as to justify the violence. The reason why these preachers don’t teach about all the mistakes/atrocities made by the church in the past is because people will then say maybe they are mistaken with this issue as well.

This statement is very famous for people who have allot of hurt within their hearts. I hope God's love will rest upon you and Truthseeker because I can tell that your scars go very deep.

Whoever committed any sinful act in the name of God will receive a penalty equal to their act (False Profits and Priest who molest innocent children will receive their penalty also).

The primary goal of all false believers is to cause True Christians to be hated all over the world and they are succeeding.

Matthew 10:22
"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
I will endureth to the end.

We have no need to apologize for what we didn't commit.
True Christians will never commit any of the acts you accused us of.

They stood to loose the promises that God told them they would receive if they obeyed Him.Just as the Creator promises to Muslims that martyr them selves, They will have 72 virgins in heaven.
Is it faith or a gamble what happens if there is not a being Creator? What if we have no souls? They gambled their lives for nothing.

Don't confuse Islam with Christianity.

Originally Posted by o3parietal
That, my dear sir, is open for divergent views. What Christ gave up in coming down here as Immanuel, and was prepared to give up or LOSE for The FATHER's Sake as The Lamb is the VERY reason as to why some are able to have faith. Other than that, their faith be in vain.Lets see in most Christians faith the Creator and Christ are 1.
If this is the case then Christ gave up nothing. It was just a show for mankind.


You have no understanding of the Trinity and I can't teach you how to.
Only the Holy Spirit can do that and you don't have Him.

You have no understanding of the Trinity and I can't teach you how to.
Only the Holy Spirit can do that and you don't have Him.

Well, for the curious...I was taught to think of it in terms of The Police.

Say you came home one day and somebody who lives in the same house you do tells you, "Hey, the police was here looking for you."
Let's say that three officers were in the squad car that pulled up in front of your house, two officers came to the door, but one officer did the talking.
Regardless of how many officers came in the squad car, when you got home, you'd be notified that "The Police" was there asking for you.

The concept of The Trinity is akin to "The Police" in that little parable.
Does that make sense?

Like I told your friend yesterday Vicky; there is an answer to every
question if you would take the time to look for it.
If the Bible says that something is wrong, it is wrong!
God doesn't contradict Himself.
God doesn't contradict Himself. This is true. BUT, the Bible did at one point clash with God's will sometimes. Read the Book of Job over again, and let me know when you've found the verse that says 'even angels make mistakes.' Then, read Stephen's last words before they stoned him. Angels brought the Torah and Talmud. Almighty God gave The Decologue. There are somethings in the Torah and Talmud that aren't in The Decologue. Could it be that certain "angels" are the cause of the majority of the confusion present today over God's will? You betcha! (no pun intended.) That's why we needed a "Lamb" to come and fix it.


Hell was created for Satan and his angels, not man. God never intended for
us to go there but all sin needs to be destroyed.
Yes, The Lake of Fire was prepared for Satan and his angels. But consider what the word "angel" means.

We are unique in that
God has given us the freedom to choose what path we want to take in life.
God knows our future but He doesn't make our future, that is our job.
Unless we ask Him to and He agrees.

If God wanted to He could destroy Satan as we speak but we must first be restored to His image through Jesus.
True, this is the way He wants it to go down, it's a matter of MUST because it's His will.

To find out what is wrong or what shouldn't be, all we have to do is look at God's original plan.
Which is summed up in the life of Yeshua Bar Yoseph. (Jesus Christ)

God's original plan was clearly laid out in Genesis.
Whatever happened after man sinned was not God's original plan.
Every child born after sin was born in sin including myself.
No, not clearly. Adamah/Edom and Hawwah had daughters. They're not listed in the book of Genesis. Every child except Christ.

No one in this world was born according to God's original plan.

Except You-Know-Who.