Originally posted by Great Demos
During my school years, we used to look up to the school teachers, whom we regarded with great respect: People like Carlton Francis, E.P. Roberts, T.G. Glover, Margaret McDonald, Cecil Bethel, and many others. These were great Bahamians and they were our models.

It is said that today the young people have no role models. I don''t know whether this is true. But this is a Christian nation, and if all else fails, they can always model Jesus Christ.
Great Demos


ROTFLMAO And "Christians" wonder why The Isle of The Shallow Waters are drowning in sin. "If all else fails" eh, well that's what happens when you give Christ last place in seeking a Christian role model.

There is no doubt in my mind that the vast majority of the Bahamian Public would wish not to listen to Gansta Rap music .Performers such as 50 cent and Trina rap about their own experiences in the Ghettos of some US city.and while the music might be attracting many of our young people it is still not universally accepted as an art form. The words of the songs are vulgar and even though kids might enjoy the music they hadly ever mouth the lyrics, it is as though they themselves are ashamed of the lyrics.
I say let them come. Let those that enjoy that type of concert go freely.
The more we try to stop them the stronger they get. I believe they do more damage to our youth if we drive them underground , where the real criminals live. It is more difficult for crime to flourish in the full glare of public scrutiny. So let them come under the conditions set by the Government. And let us trust our young ADULTS to make their own decisions.

I love the points raised by Delroy and o3parietal. If by some miracle truthful answers were to be given to some of the questions posed, I believe it would cause many Bahamians to hold their heads and scream!

I believe we are a christian nation, at least in the sense that we are not a moslem or a hindu nation or any of those other religious nations that serve dead gods. And it seems that as time goes by we are being infiltrated more and more by these other religions.

I believe that if I were a member of parliament on the government side, I would hang my in shame and resign! How can I be a person of integrity, feel good about myself as a representative of the people of my country, and yet be a party to allowing such unadulterated filth into our country to further mess up young minds!? Pray, tell me someone!

Great Demos

Hey, Hey, Hey. What is this really about? As I can recall Elephant man has been here 4 times in the last year and a half, Trina at least three times herself and there was no uproar about it. Why now? I've listened to 50cents music and it is nothing compared to the likes of Beenie Man, Elephant Man, Trina or Lady Saw. all who have performed here numerous times in the last few years- So why all the noise now? In June, the 5th annual "Stop The Violence " concert took place in Freeport with featured artists like Bonecrusher, and Mystikal- still no noise Last friday night (August 29th) Mo'Nique (from the parkers) performed at the Wyndham Ballroom - I know that 50cent does not even come close to her in vulgarity-but still no one said anything. Hmmm? This almost looks like someone has a personal vendetta with either 50 cent or the promoters. As to a comment earlier "1/2 rate BET" - Thats the problem, everybody believes that BET is 1/2 rate-maybe to us but not to our children hey one of the reasons why 50cent is popular now IS because of "1/2 rate BET-

Anyway there is no use banning 50cent as the kids will still listen to his music, watch his videos, and buy his albums. If we ban this concert, we may as well ban the Internet, Ban DSS, Ban Radio, and Ban Cable Bahamas. Adults can make their own decisions, and it is up to parents to control their children. If at 16 or 17 yrs. old my mother didn't want me to go to a concert or a club; there was no way on earth that I could even dream of going.

ps. The promotion for this concert has not been heavy at all; but with all this noise that is being made by the "anti-50cent" crew it is getting more publicity than money could ever buy!

The italicized statements are that of "Chancellor" a poster from Bahamascope.net

The Government should not stop 50cent or the other antisipated artisits from coming or performing. Even if they do would they even have a valid reason? We have denied your request for a liscence bacause the christian coucil does not approve of you. Or We have denied your liscence because we dont think our people should'nt be listening to your lirics? I think the reasons for opposing the consert goes far more that lirics, background and moral issues. I think it's also because some people don't like how artists from the U.S. and the Carribbean can come in, get full support of young audiences and leave hundreds of thousands of dollars richer. And then some Bahamian artists rolls and and don't evn recieve a handclap.

There we go, I 'gree with that Chancellor-- "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God-the things that are God's." Let the Bahamian Musician's Council deal with 50 Cent.

It's seems to me that the christian council is alowed to rule the affairs of this country and the government is their puppet. It's like the council has this hold over government's actions. First its the easter beach party, then halloween, then harry potter ( which is a perfectly harmless movie about magic and seems impossible to possess children's minds into thinking they can do that stuff) and now they want to stop every rapper that wants to perform live. The decicion of the council should only be taken as an opinion and not as the supreem and final word. Especially in a democratic country that provides freedom of choice, speech, religion and opinion.

Again, I agree. The Church and The Commonwealth of The Bahamas are two different things. The way things are headed now, the Council makin the same mistake The Vatican made in years gone by.
Unfortunately, especially nowadays not everybody down with Christianity and fortunately, people today DEFINITELY een prepared to swallow Vatican Modus Operandi quietly and calmly. If Christ Himself gave those who turn their backs on Him free reign until a given time, His true followers would and should respect their choice and His assent, even if it don't make us happy (as HE expected of Samuel). Our happiness, comfort or how we think things should be shouldn't come before Christ's Will. "Obedience is better than sacrifice." His words, not mine. And I agree- but that's just me.

The government should be able to pass and enforce laws free of any religious opinion, whether its christian, islamic, or jewish. Preventing him or any artists from coming will not help anything or prevent anything other than a traffic jam and garbage pollotion. 50cent, G-unit and the rest are already here, he is on the radio, tv, on peoples shelves, in cd players, the lirics are in peoples heads and is recited openly and freely in public without ridicule and without permission of the christian council.

Instead of banning certian media entirely rom the public, and blaming artists for moral decay(although they should have some responsibility for their lirics) the government should adopt censorship laws. You want to hear 50cent album? This has a parental advisory. Can I see your i.d. And parents should be responsible and know what children are listening to until they are 18.

And them's the breaks, like they say, when ya don't listen, ya is feel. The people back in Samuel's day was warned about the dangers of Man ruling over them. All it is is a matter of whether you is listen or not, and if not, what will it take (or how much you gatte feel) afore you learn and say, "You know what? Maybe God did actually know what He talking 'bout."


What's with this 'waiting on/for a miracle' trend? Christ has already given you the power to make the change. Use it.
This is another reason as to why there is a problem:

This is what has the sway over people today. At the very least [and I do mean the least], 50 Cent is sincere and unbiased with what he does. What attracted people to Jesus back in the day was that He didn’t have to “try” to do anything. He just plain did it, He did it with authority and with authentication.
He was, and remains sincere. Some people see this virtue in 50 Cent moreso than they do in today's Pharisees, and since Verity is a part of Christ's character, ignorant/stupid/unsound will see 50 Cent as a martyr as you attempt to "slay" him.
History repeats itself. Reconsider.

THE SILENCE WITH OUR PRIME MINISTER, DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND LAST BUT BY NO MEANS LEAST, BRADLEY ROBERTS WHO WAS SO VERY VOCAL (SO MUCH TO SAY) AND HAD ALL THE SOLUTIONS ... IS DEAFENING!!!!

http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/misc/grauniad-thomas.jpg

Heh.

Let The Games Begin!!!

Silence is sometimes golden especially from politicians who hardly have anything meaningful to say anyway. The government is to manage the country's affairs not the citizens personal lives or choices. As much as you may disagree with this decision because you see it as morally wrong, the fact is, it is the right thing to do by them.

'Emancipate yourself from mental slavery 'cause non but ourselve can free our minds.'
Bob Marley

My $.02
You don't like $.50 don't go to the concert don't let your children go. SIMPLE.
Not my kind of music so I won't be going but for those adults that do like it go have fun enjoy be good be safe.

o3parietal you are so right the Christian Council is becoming like the Taliban. I hope and pray they never get more power full than they are now.

There should be a Non Christian Council a group to oppose the Christian Council.
The more I hear from the Christian Council the more I believe they think the world is flat.


By the way where is Cedric

Do you mean 'Cedric the Entertainer'. Didn't he have a show on Fox that was cancelled.:D

He is an entertainer alright.

Cedric Moss who started this thread.

Originally posted by andris
Forgive me if I am missing something, but everthing I hear about 50 cents already exisits in abundance here in the Bahamas and will continue to exsist whether he performs or not. We were dealing drugs, shooting one another, raping, committing adultry,sleeping with teenagers, abusing alcohol, lying, cheatin' and teefin' for too many years to honestly believe 50 cents could make any difference. As a matter of fact if he were still a gangster we could probably teach him a thing or two. So lets stop the hypocrocy. Besides the kids have been watching him on BET for years. We are underestimating your young people.

Well said,

we are underestimating our young people, and we often forget that they have rights also...

i would not pay $60 to go to the concert and i don't support him in his choice of lyrics but people have to make this decision on their own and that is their human right...

furthermore this is a democratic society, and an NGO (non-governmental organization) can not coerce the government into legislating their perspective on morality...

The Christian Council has the right to protest his presence (in fact if they spent more energy encouraging their respective members not to attend rather than coercing the government not to let him in they would be more successful) it is the same right that all citizens have: Freedom of Association, Expression etc.

We can not support the Christian Council in their beliefs if we won't allow Bahamians to attend the concerts that they want to and to listen to the music that they want.

This is a human rights issue, and special interest groups must be careful that they don't object to the laws, rights and freedoms that allow them to exist and operate freely in the Bahamas....

Originally posted by Vicky
My $.02
You don't like $.50 don't go to the concert don't let your children go. SIMPLE.
Not my kind of music so I won't be going but for those adults that do like it go have fun enjoy be good be safe.

o3parietal you are so right the Christian Council is becoming like the Taliban. I hope and pray they never get more power full than they are now.

There should be a Non Christian Council a group to oppose the Christian Council.
The more I hear from the Christian Council the more I believe they think the world is flat.


By the way where is Cedric

In fact Vicky in its Manifesto leading up to the 2002 elections the PLP promised to create an affiliation with the Church.
The document did not say the Christian church, just the church.
We know that other religions also have churches, and other less fundamental denominations within christianity...

The government has opened the door and we definately should have a voice to balance the sometimes maniacal, frenzied, fundamentalist voices that are trying to assume responsibility for running the country.

Besides i will not take any christian church in this country seriously until they begin to take a VOCAL and PROACTIVE stance on INCEST and STATUTORY RAPE in the Country.

By the way where is Cedric?

I was wondering too! I don't think we need to read anything into his silence. Perhaps he is away. Perhaps he is ill. Maybe the press of work does not leave him time to respond. Could it be he has suffered what we all have or will suffer, a computer crash! However, Sir, when you are able we would like to hear your opinions - that are much valued.