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Ishaq
06-30-06, - 09:59 AM
The US Supreme Court dealt a serious blow to the Bush administration on Thursday by ruling that military commissions created to try prisoners at Guantanamo Bay violate both US law and the Geneva conventions on the treatment of prisoners.

In a far-reaching decision that has implications for all 450 prisoners at the US detention centre in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the court ruled 5-3 that the military trial of Salim Ahmed Hamdan, a former driver for Osama bin Laden, was illegal because he was not given basic legal rights such as hearing all the evidence.

The court also delivered a stunning rebuke to President George W. Bush by disagreeing with his ruling that suspected members of al-Qaeda are not entitled to any protection under the Geneva convention.

“Even assuming that Hamdan is a dangerous individual who would cause great harm or death to innocent civilians given the opportunity, the Executive nevertheless must comply with the prevailing rule of law in undertaking to try him and subject him to criminal punishment,” Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the majority.

The decision was also a major setback for administration arguments that its powers to prosecute the “war on terror” should be unfettered.

However, while the court rejected the current structure of the Guantanamo military commissions, it said the administration could work with Congress to establish military tribunals that would adhere to US law and the Geneva conventions.

“Our decision today is a limited one,” wrote Justice John Paul Stevens. “Nothing prevents the President from returning to Congress to seek the authority he believes is necessary.”

Speaking during a press conference with Junichiro Koizumi, the Japanese prime minister, Mr Bush said: “To the extent there is latitude to work with the Congress to determine whether or not the military tribunals would be an avenue in which to give people their day in court, we will do so.”

Critics of Guantanamo Bay and the Bush administration’s handling of detentions in the “war on terror” praised the ruling - which comes as European countries press Mr Bush to close the controversial prison - as a huge victory for the rule of law.

“The Supreme Court has made clear that the executive branch does not have a blank check in the war on terror and may not run roughshod over the nation’s legal system,” said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

In a scathing dissent read from the bench, Justice Antonin Scalia said: “The Court takes on a new role as active manager of the details of military conflict”.


Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2006

Rory
06-30-06, - 01:17 PM
BUSH RULES .. :sailing:


Guantanomo is a country club, send those terrorist bastids down here to fox hill and we'll take care of them properly once and for all ..!!!

pharoah
06-30-06, - 07:51 PM
Thank God for the courts and democracy. Can castro and cuba say the same? There are checks and balance in a democracy! No goverment or individual is above the law.

I hope that the Bush administration get its affairs in order! You know if i have to choose between the usa or cuba, guess which one i will choose?

Let me give yinna a clue the one with a free press,free courts and the one that give me the the option to choose the individuals i want to represent me as a goverment!

Rory
06-30-06, - 10:47 PM
Thank God for the courts and democracy. Can castro and cuba say the same? There are checks and balance in a democracy! No goverment or individual is above the law.
I hope that the Bush administration get its affairs in order! You know if i have to choose between the usa or cuba, guess which one i will choose?
Let me give yinna a clue the one with a free press,free courts and the one that give me the the option to choose the individuals i want to represent me as a goverment!


:tup:

trubahamian
07-01-06, - 08:01 AM
Bout time someone put that man in his place.He is only president,not king.Torture and false imprisonment is unacceptable by any country,leave mind da one that claims da high ground on a chronic basis,while chastising others for da same violations!(I mean Bush here,as I admire da US)

de redhead
07-01-06, - 10:51 AM
It's interesting that people always talking about Fox Hill and carmichael Road but they don't seem to violate Geneva.

Alien
07-01-06, - 11:13 AM
It's interesting that people always talking about Fox Hill and carmichael Road but they don't seem to violate Geneva.



Its borderline.
LOL....

Do you hear of the stories that EVERYONE gets banged.
I mean, even the guys on remand are able to be "touched" by the gay population in Fox Hill. Do no mind those guys a guy who spen time in Fox Hill told me....they either got raped or they gave it up. Whether it be from a prisoner or prison guard...THEY GET YA.
:hammer:

trubahamian
07-01-06, - 02:17 PM
Its borderline.
LOL....
Do you hear of the stories that EVERYONE gets banged.
I mean, even the guys on remand are able to be "touched" by the gay population in Fox Hill. Do no mind those guys a guy who spen time in Fox Hill told me....they either got raped or they gave it up. Whether it be from a prisoner or prison guard...THEY GET YA.
:hammer:


they need to put potassium nitrate in their food as in the US prisons,to calm down their libido.

Rory
07-01-06, - 03:00 PM
It's interesting that people always talking about Fox Hill and carmichael Road but they don't seem to violate Geneva.


LOL, because they arent a military prison ..BTW, you dont have an issue with Fox hill???
Fox Hill is rated as one of the worst prisons in the world and has many Human rights violations... amnesty intl has said it enough, but if that doesnt make you believe just ask someone that has been there ..

Rory
07-01-06, - 03:02 PM
Bout time someone put that man in his place.He is only president,not king.Torture and false imprisonment is unacceptable by any country,leave mind da one that claims da high ground on a chronic basis,while chastising others for da same violations!(I mean Bush here,as I admire da US)


you jokin right .. you actually think bush was there in abu graid so called torturing the prisoners ... LOL yall got jokes .. that would be like saying our priminister needs to stop rapin the prisoners in fox hill .. which is total BS

trubahamian
07-01-06, - 07:24 PM
you jokin right .. you actually think bush was there in abu graid so called torturing the prisoners ... LOL yall got jokes .. that would be like saying our priminister needs to stop rapin the prisoners in fox hill .. which is total BS

Stop Bey...the leader of any team,religon or country is RESPONSIBLE for the actions of that leader's subordinates.....there are no exceptions no matter what you or Bush say.That is the man's number 1 problem wit his own people and da world.But thanks I do got jokes n' I'm a damn handsome man popular wit the ladies too!:)

Rory
07-01-06, - 10:03 PM
Stop Bey...the leader of any team,religon or country is RESPONSIBLE for the actions of that leader's subordinates.....there are no exceptions no matter what you or Bush say.That is the man's number 1 problem wit his own people and da world.But thanks I do got jokes n' I'm a damn handsome man popular wit the ladies too!:)


so you saying bush is responsible for all the lazy bums on welfare in the US, when a gang in South Central guns down an innocent child, the worthless punks that rob people, and if he is responsible for the bad thihngs, then same for the good things .. so he is responsible for all the charities in the US, The billions sent to less fortunate around the world, every single good thing some US citizen does ... hmmmmm .. sounds like he is a Better person than i thought .. according to you anyway .. that or it sounds a little too much like god ..! :footmouth

trubahamian
07-01-06, - 10:13 PM
so you saying bush is responsible for all the lazy bums on welfare in the US, when a gang in South Central guns down an innocent child, the worthless punks that rob people, and if he is responsible for the bad thihngs, then same for the good things .. so he is responsible for all the charities in the US, The billions sent to less fortunate around the world, every single good thing some US citizen does ... hmmmmm .. sounds like he is a Better person than i thought .. according to you anyway .. that or it sounds a little too much like god ..! :footmouth

I afraid u mis understand da principle.Bush is commander in chief;erryting that goes down politically or militarily is his responsibility.Tings of domestic civilian nature are not his responsibility.The motto laiz y' fare?hands off the people is very deeply embedded in US culture,dos are personal responsibilities.

RockWell
07-01-06, - 10:25 PM
I afraid u mis understand da principle.Bush is commander in chief;erryting that goes down politically or militarily is his responsibility.Tings of domestic civilian nature are not his responsibility.The motto laiz y' fare?hands off the people is very deeply embedded in US culture,dos are personal responsibilities.
Lee Rory lone bey.You can't see he's on the stump for his green card.:)

trubahamian
07-01-06, - 10:31 PM
Lee Rory lone bey.You can't see he's on the stump for his green card.:)

OK...now I understand.