Well Delroy the Creator I pray to, is one that knows what He/She created even the other religions.
Well then me and you do not worship the same God.
I notice you always like to add this He/She bit when talking about your god.
Does your god have a gender? Because mines doesn't!
My God is a Spirit (not male or female).

If the Creator would condemn all those other people/souls to hell because they pray to Buddha Ala or what ever name they give to the Creator, I would turn my back on the Creator. If Christ him self stood in front of me and said this is how it is I would turn my back. Yes if this thought will send me to hell then so be it.
Delroy there is no way you can convince me that the Creator would do such a thing.
The God I serve is out to destroy sin; not man. If a man choses to follow sin into destruction then he destroys himself.

How about all the humans that never knew Christ???
This should answer your question:
The Bible say in Romans 1:20 that “ For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.”
The Bible also says in Proverbs 8:17 "that those who diligently seek me will find me."

Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad, and many others all said the same thing.

This is not so.
Show me anywhere in the Koran where Mohammad teaches us to love our enemies? Did any of these men (Buddha, Mohammad) die for the same people who killed them?

When I said that “we would all see the same things” I was speaking of noting more than that. Of course if we both walk the same road we will see the same things. Many people admire Jesus but Christ never asked to be admired by men. God wants to be worshiped!
If I choose to only admire Jesus then I am placing Him on the same level as any man.
The sword predates the gun! Which one will you use in war today?
You said: “On this road are many, well worn, paths that have been left for us to follow. You may take a different path than I but we are all on the same road.”
You said “ALL”. All is all (bad and good) going to one destination.
Where does Budda say that the laws of man originated?
Not so!
It is the shadow that needs the light. Light can exist without shadows.
Here are some shadowless lamps that are in use now in many hospitals around the world for Surgical purposes: Click Here (http://narang.com/ceilingotlights.html)
If my body doesn't get any light I would die. I my body doesn't get any darkness what happens?
The Devil was not created by God; Lucifer was!
Lucifer gave birth to sin and became Satan. That is why he is called “The Father of Sin”. Sin was none existent in heaven until Satan conceived it. Read Isaiah 14
That is God proving that His love is forever. He not like us who will not speak to those who have done us wrong.
I don't know about Buddhism but my Bible tells me from where my roots are fed. It is fed on the Living Water (Jesus).

I am not left to question whether another belief is true or not. My Bible makes this quite clear. Two trees cannot bare the same fruit.

The Yin & Yang means noting much to me.
In my faith I am made spotless because of Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross. Though I may fall down a few times and become dirty again He is right there to wash me clean again.

Thank you for your reply Delroy. "When I said that "we would all see the same things" I was speaking of noting more than that. Of course if we both walk the same road we will see the same things." If you and I were to walk to the harbour and stand back to back we would both see different things, I would be looking east, you looking west, but we both would be looking at the same harbour.And if we did see the same things we may interpret them differently.

"The sword predates the gun! Which one will you use in war today?" I don't understand? Are you saying that the code of conduct of the Christian (which is really Judaism) is better than any other? Even if they are all, almost, word perfect the same?

I said that we were all on the same path. You replied, "You said "ALL". All is all (bad and good) going to one destination." Sorry! I would have assumed that most people would have assumed that "all" referred to all who wish to be on the path. Even the Bible says that God can't force anyone to seek the path if they don't want it.

"Where does Buddha say that the laws of man originated?" They came from God eons ago but to the Buddhist it is not important where they came from. The important thing is that they are lived!

You said, "It is the shadow that needs the light. Light can exist without shadows." Dark can exist without light. "Here are some shadow less lamps that are in use now in many hospitals around the world for Surgical purposes: If my body doesn't get any light I would die. I my body doesn't get any darkness what happens?" It dies to, you need your sleep. That is why God made the light and the dark. Of course you could always sleep with the light on!

On the subject of the Devil and evil you said. "The Devil was not created by God; Lucifer was! Lucifer gave birth to sin and became Satan. That is why he is called "The Father of Sin". Sin was none existent in heaven until Satan conceived it. Read Isaiah 14" OK. God created Lucifer who created sin. God should have kept an eye on him. May I quote you another passage from Isaiah? 45.7 God speaks, "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." In the old King James it is clearer. God is quoted as saying, "I make peace, and I create evil...." The newer translations soften that a bit. If God can stand up and call it like it is why can't you?

About the Book of Job "That is God proving that His love is forever. He not like us who will not speak to those who have done us wrong." If that is so, he is more tolerant than many of his followers. But look at it more closely. God made a bet with the devil that Job would not turn against him (God.). It is rather like me betting you that you could beat my dog half to death and he would not bite you! A bad thing especially when I know my dog with not bite! Did God not know the true nature of Job? At face value the Book of Job tells us that God behaved in a shocking way. Yet, there the book is, in the Bible. God is not afraid of it being there.

"I don't know about Buddhism but my Bible tells me from where my roots are fed. It is fed on the Living Water (Jesus)." Good. That is what your teaching say. No argument.

"I am not left to question whether another belief is true or not. My Bible makes this quite clear. Two trees cannot bare the same fruit." They can if they are in fact the same kind of tree! But I doubt you would be conceding that point. Alas, Christians feel that they are a unique tree. They are, in fact, just another tree in the forest that God planted and tends. But are there two kinds of good? If you do good by helping a sick person and I do good by helping another sick person - which is the better good? Are they different fruit? Or are they from the same species of tree after all? Both people were helped - I doubt they would see any conflict.

You commented that, "The Yin & Yang means noting much to me" No problem. There is no hell for those who don't believe as I - can you say the same?

You ended by saying, "In my faith I am made spotless because of Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross. Though I may fall down a few times and become dirty again He is right there to wash me clean again." Excellent! I mean that. That is a very good thumb nail of what (some) Christians believe. I have no problem in you believing that. I believe that sin is a result of ignorance. Buddha showed the way out of ignorance. I fall into ignorance (sin) once in a while, but the door is always open to come back. A little different that your belief but not that much.

I just saw your other post. I will answer it tomorrow it is getting late now. May the God we all (all who want to) worship make us to be at peace.

If you and I were to walk to the harbour and stand back to back we would both see different things, I would be looking east, you looking west, but we both would be looking at the same harbour. And if we did see the same things we may interpret them differently.
I think we have a mis-understanding here. You never said that we would be facing the opposite directions. Maybe I should have asked? :rolleyes:

"The sword predates the gun! Which one will you use in war today?" I don't understand? Are you saying that the code of conduct of the Christian (which is really Judaism) is better than any other? Even if they are all, almost, word perfect the same?
Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ. Judaism is not! Therefore it is impossible for both teachings to be the same.

I said that we were all on the same path. You replied, "You said "ALL". All is all (bad and good) going to one destination." Sorry! I would have assumed that most people would have assumed that "all" referred to all who wish to be on the path. Even the Bible says that God can't force anyone to seek the path if they don't want it.
This is what you told Vicky. Are you and Vicky on the same path?
I can tell you right now according to my belief; we're not. But only God knows what the future holds for people who are walking another road. People change paths sometimes.

"Where does Buddha say that the laws of man originated?" They came from God eons ago but to the Buddhist it is not important where they came from. The important thing is that they are lived!
Are you serious? Not every law is a good law CG.
Do you know that in some countries you can be executed for what you believe?

You said, "It is the shadow that needs the light. Light can exist without shadows." Dark can exist without light. "Here are some shadow less lamps that are in use now in many hospitals around the world for Surgical purposes: If my body doesn't get any light I would die. I my body doesn't get any darkness what happens?" It dies to, you need your sleep. That is why God made the light and the dark. Of course you could always sleep with the light on!
God created night for the plants and animals. We don't need night!
Read Revelations 21:25.

On the subject of the Devil and evil you said. "The Devil was not created by God; Lucifer was! Lucifer gave birth to sin and became Satan. That is why he is called "The Father of Sin". Sin was none existent in heaven until Satan conceived it. Read Isaiah 14" OK. God created Lucifer who created sin. God should have kept an eye on him.
Lucifer created sin when he conceived pride within his heart (Isaiah 14:13). The word conceive means: “To begin or originate in a specific way”. Children are created by a male and female when they conceive. We can conceive sin also. James 1: 15 “Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”

May I quote you another passage from Isaiah? 45.7 God speaks, "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." In the old King James it is clearer. God is quoted as saying, "I make peace, and I create evil...." The newer translations soften that a bit. If God can stand up and call it like it is why can't you?
Because I know the truth behind His word.
In that verse God was speaking to Cyrus of a disaster/evil which He was soon going to create upon the kingdom of Judah. This disaster/evil was the impending Babylonian captivity. You and I both know that the word evil is used to describe many different things CG. But if you read the Bible carefully you will understand it. That is why the other translation makes it clear for you when it said the word “disaster” instead of “evil”. Do you see this? God will never create something that goes against His will.

About the Book of Job "That is God proving that His love is forever. He not like us who will not speak to those who have done us wrong." If that is so, he is more tolerant than many of his followers. But look at it more closely. God made a bet with the devil that Job would not turn against him (God.). It is rather like me betting you that you could beat my dog half to death and he would not bite you! A bad thing especially when I know my dog with not bite! Did God not know the true nature of Job? At face value the Book of Job tells us that God behaved in a shocking way. Yet, there the book is, in the Bible. God is not afraid of it being there.
God is a teacher and he often tests us. Not that He doesn't know what level we are at but He tests us so that we may move up another grade and for the benefit of others. If God had chosen any other man other than Job at that time they would have been defeated.
When police are being trained in the United States they are shown films of many high speed chases and different hostage crises as examples of what to do in case such situations were to arrive again. Because of the example of Job I can now identify the works of the devil and know how to defeat him.

"I don't know about Buddhism but my Bible tells me from where my roots are fed. It is fed on the Living Water (Jesus)." Good. That is what your teaching say. No argument.
Thank you :)

"I am not left to question whether another belief is true or not. My Bible makes this quite clear. Two trees cannot bare the same fruit." They can if they are in fact the same kind of tree! Not so!
There is always a difference ether in taste or condition.

But I doubt you would be conceding that point. Alas, Christians feel that they are a unique tree.Is it wrong to feel unique?

They are, in fact, just another tree in the forest that God planted and tends.
You are free to believe that. I don't know of any other tree but I know that there is only One righteous.

But are there two kinds of good? If you do good by helping a sick person and I do good by helping another sick person - which is the better good?
Are they different fruit? Or are they from the same species of tree after all? Both people were helped - I doubt they would see any conflict.
Did you know that allot of people that do good will good to hell?
Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you;
Doing good is not enough to enter the gates of Heaven.

I hope that I have that mind of yours thinking straight now CG :D
I will await your reply.

This is not so.
Show me anywhere in the Koran where Mohammad teaches us to love our enemies? Did any of these men (Buddha, Mohammad) die for the same people who killed them?

When I said, they all taught the same thing I mean that they teach faith and a "way" to God. Is that not what we all want?

You are right when you suggest that Mohammad was not "big" on loving your enemies. But then if you do a search of the Bible you will only find "Love your enemies" in two places - Matthew 5.44 and Luke 6.27 and again in v.35.

But you asked for a quote from the Koran. Here are two.
"Sura: Family of Imran. [3.119] Lo! you are they who will love them while they do not love you, and you believe in the Book (in) the whole of it; and when they meet you they say: We believe, and when they are alone, they bite the ends of their fingers in rage against you. Say: Die in your rage; surely Allah knows what is in the breasts. (PS. (CG's note) Notice is ends badly! But at least it does not say ‘kill them!')

This one is not directly about loving your enemies but I like it!

"Sura: Marium. [19.96] Surely (as for) those who believe and do good deeds for them will Allah bring about love."

Please remember that Jews, Christians and the followers of Islam all worship the same God and use parts of the same book - the Bible - in their teachings and scriptures. You should be better brothers because of that but you are not. You have, and do, kill each other at almost every opportunity. Love your enemies rings hollow here!

No doubt you would like something from the Buddha? "Dhammapada 1.5 & 17.3.. Hatreds do not ever cease in this world by hating, but by love: this is an eternal truth. Overcome anger by love, overcome evil by good...Overcome the miser by giving, overcome the liar by truth."

If you really want to see how close the teaching of Jesus and the Buddha are please check out http://surfer.mt.net.mk/stojannikolich/sub3/jesusVSbudha.htm Please note that the sayings of the Buddha are older. This is strange when one understands the popular belief that these are two separate religions with no common bond. (Please note that I do not believe that but, that is a story for another posting!)

You asked, "Did any of these men (Buddha, Mohammad) die for the same people who killed them?" No, it was not needed in their belief systems. The Buddha died by eating bad food given to him in error. However, he forgave the man who gave it to him. Mohammad died in bed. Some say he was poisoned. Neither, Buddha or Mohammad saw the Divine being as a God who required gallons and gallons of BLOOD - their blood to boot! Nor did they see themselves as God. There are some who make a very good argument that Jesus did not say he was God. The popular view, with some theologians, is swinging that way! (Not good for the faith if you ask me!)

In the Christian story, God cannot forgive sins without the shedding of blood. Hebrew 9.20-22 "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep." In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.". In the Christian order of things it is blood, blood, even God is bound by it, "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." As a result, Jesus became the ultimate (human) blood sacrifice. Out of respect for your faith I take this not farther, but I think you can see it could be interpreted as a blood thirsty God you worship - if one wanted to look at it that way.

However, I hope you see that we can prove almost anything by taking bits and pieces out of each other's Holy Books. We have to read the books from cover to cover to get the full meaning and flavor of them. And they all, as I said in the beginning of this post, are showing a way to faith and to God. Maybe not one you like, or I like, but God has many voices. If you can't hear one, you will hear another - but he will be heard.

We can also "slam" each others belief. But what does that serve? There is a Buddhist saying...I wish I could remember it fully but I will paraphrase, "Love another man's faith as you love your own. If you hold another man's faith lightly, you soon will hold your own lightly. Then you will have lost both." A word to the wise should be sufficient.

I think we have a mis-understanding here. You never said that we would be facing the opposite directions. Maybe I should have asked? :rolleyes:
Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ. Judaism is not! Therefore it is impossible for both teachings to be the same.
This is what you told Vicky. Are you and Vicky on the same path?
I can tell you right now according to my belief; we're not. But only God knows what the future holds for people who are walking another road. People change paths sometimes.
Are you serious? Not every law is a good law CG.
Do you know that in some countries you can be executed for what you believe?
God created night for the plants and animals. We don't need night!
Read Revelations 21:25.
Lucifer created sin when he conceived pride within his heart (Isaiah 14:13). The word conceive means: “To begin or originate in a specific way”. Children are created by a male and female when they conceive. We can conceive sin also. James 1: 15 “Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
Because I know the truth behind His word.
In that verse God was speaking to Cyrus of a disaster/evil which He was soon going to create upon the kingdom of Judah. This disaster/evil was the impending Babylonian captivity. You and I both know that the word evil is used to describe many different things CG. But if you read the Bible carefully you will understand it. That is why the other translation makes it clear for you when it said the word “disaster” instead of “evil”. Do you see this? God will never create something that goes against His will.
God is a teacher and he often tests us. Not that He doesn't know what level we are at but He tests us so that we may move up another grade and for the benefit of others. If God had chosen any other man other than Job at that time they would have been defeated.
When police are being trained in the United States they are shown films of many high speed chases and different hostage crises as examples of what to do in case such situations were to arrive again. Because of the example of Job I can now identify the works of the devil and know how to defeat him.
Thank you :)
Not so!
There is always a difference ether in taste or condition.
Is it wrong to feel unique?
You are free to believe that. I don't know of any other tree but I know that there is only One righteous.
Did you know that allot of people that do good will good to hell?
Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you;
Doing good is not enough to enter the gates of Heaven.
I hope that I have that mind of yours thinking straight now CG :D
I will await your reply.

Thanks for your reply, you said "I think we have a mis-understanding here. You never said that we would be facing the opposite directions. Maybe I should have asked?" I am sorry! Christian are so literal I should have known you would misunderstand. But I think others got it.

"Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ. Judaism is not! Therefore it is impossible for both teachings to be the same." Christianity sprang out of Judaism. Jesus was a Jew. He never said that he came to overthrow the law. He came to fulfill it But he observed the law. It was the teachings of Paul that made Christianity what it is today.

"Are you and Vicky on the same path?" Yes! I see him as a plodder on the path, as I am. What thinks thou Vicky?

"I can tell you right now according to my belief; we're not. But only God knows what the future holds for people who are walking another road. People change paths sometimes." Yes, indeed they do change paths. Christians are abandoning their path by the millions (except in Africa.) I am glad you admitted that only God knows the future to those on "another road." You give the impression that only the Christian knows

"Are you serious? Not every law is a good law CG." You asked me about the Laws. I assumed you meant the laws like the Ten Commandments, and Jesus' eleventh commandment! All of which predate Christianity, all of which are good, or are there some bad ones I missed?

"Do you know that in some countries you can be executed for what you believe?" Sadly, yes I do. These are countries that are unyielding in their beliefs, peopled by folks that think their way is the only way. (Hint! Hint!)

"God created night for the plants and animals. We don't need night! Read Revelations 21:25." The quote you asked me to read refers to the new heaven, Not here, now. By the way. We need the plants and animals. What else would we eat? So the dark does do us good after all!

"In that verse God was speaking to Cyrus of a disaster/evil which He was soon going to create upon the kingdom of Judah. This disaster/evil was the impending Babylonian captivity. You and I both know that the word evil is used to describe many different things CG. But if you read the Bible carefully you will understand it. That is why the other translation makes it clear for you when it said the word "disaster" instead of "evil". Do you see this? God will never create something that goes against His will." At the time that verse was written disasters were believed to come from an evil force. All I was said is that God stood up to take the heat from creating disasters, evil, call it what you will.

"God is a teacher and he often tests us. Not that He doesn't know what level we are at but He tests us so that we may move up another grade and for the benefit of others. If God had chosen any other man other than Job at that time they would have been defeated. When police are being trained in the United States they are shown films of many high speed chases and different hostage crises as examples of what to do in case such situations were to arrive again. Because of the example of Job I can now identify the works of the devil and know how to defeat him." Wow! I still think it was an expensive test to put on poor Job! Not to mention all his family and servants who were killed. We tend to forget that. To God they were just disposable people. Thank goodness that God is not only a teacher but a student. He learned after that, as he learned after the flood, that this was not a productive way to go.

"Is it wrong to feel unique? " No, it is good. What is bad it to think you are exclusive.

"Did you know that allot of people that do good will good to hell? Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; Doing good is not enough to enter the gates of Heaven." That is right! There are those who seem to do good but really they are really trying to be seen as good by other men. Jesus was saying that the motive for doing good must always be examined. I know that you have another meaning in mind!

"I hope that I have that mind of yours thinking straight now CG." My mind was, all most, always straight because I lived the religions you dismiss. I have seen the oneness of faith for myself, not just in books! I can "see" the face of God in the followers of other faiths. You cannot because you are focused on only one aspect of a very big picture. Your religion forbids you to understand because it brands everything that is not Christian as evil but there is nothing we can do about that. It is one of the canons of your faith that the only "true" religion began 2000 years ago. You make your God (as you see him) very small indeed.

Sorry, some how I made two copys of my last posting. It tried to get rid of it but this was the only way I could, by writing over it.

Ok Delroy
If the Bible says Delroy you should do something and you don't are you wrong or right??
If the Bible says Delroy you should not do something and you do it are you right or worng???

yes or no

Well then me and you do not worship the same God.
I notice you always like to add this He/She bit when talking about your god.
Does your god have a gender? Because mines doesn't!
My God is a Spirit (not male or female).
Then why do you call the Creator him/he

The God I serve is out to destroy sin; not man. If a man choses to follow sin into destruction then he destroys himself.
The Creator created sin

This should answer your question:
The Bible say in Romans 1:20 that “ For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.”
The Bible also says in Proverbs 8:17 "that those who diligently seek me will find me."

This says nothing of the Muslim child that was killed by a Christian solders sword. Where dose this child soul go? If the Creator would send this child soul to hell because all the child ever knew was Islam then the Creator better plan on sending me to because I will cures this Creator. I would want nothing to do with him/her. And that in stone. (sorry again CG)

This is not so.
Show me anywhere in the Koran where Mohammad teaches us to love our enemies? Did any of these men (Buddha, Mohammad) die for the same people who killed them?
I don't have a Koran but I have heard the words. My Grand Father was Lebanese and his father made the Hagg.
There are rules of hospitality and rules of war in the Koran.
1 example is
If you are in your enemies land you must not harm any animal, woman, child or an enemy solder that has put down is weapon. You may not even harm a leaf on a tree in your enemies land. You must take care of them, as you would care for your own. Because they will not always be your enemy.

That is not word for word but that is as I remember it.

I think we have a mis-understanding here. You never said that we would be facing the opposite directions. Maybe I should have asked? :rolleyes:

Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ. Judaism is not! Therefore it is impossible for both teachings to be the same. What did you say here Delroy???The Old Testament is Judaism

This is what you told Vicky. Are you and Vicky on the same path?
I can tell you right now according to my belief; we're not. But only God knows what the future holds for people who are walking another road. People change paths sometimes.

Are you serious? Not every law is a good law CG.
Do you know that in some countries you can be executed for what you believe? Yeah Christians murdered millions or people

God created night for the plants and animals. We don't need night!
Read Revelations 21:25. Sorry here Delroy If there was no night no shadow the human body would burn and burn to nothing

Lucifer created sin when he conceived pride within his heart (Isaiah 14:13). The word conceive means: “To begin or originate in a specific way”. Children are created by a male and female when they conceive. We can conceive sin also. James 1: 15 “Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”

Does the Creator know past present and Future? (I believe yes.) There for the Creator knew Lucifer would create sin and become Satan. With that said the Creator created sin. Or are you trying to tell us now that the Creator did not know what he/she was doing when Lucifer was created.

Because I know the truth behind His word.
In that verse God was speaking to Cyrus of a disaster/evil which He was soon going to create upon the kingdom of Judah. This disaster/evil was the impending Babylonian captivity. You and I both know that the word evil is used to describe many different things CG. But if you read the Bible carefully you will understand it. That is why the other translation makes it clear for you when it said the word “disaster” instead of “evil”. Do you see this? God will never create something that goes against His will.
Delroy you did post on another thread a quote that said something like this.
The Creator created all things and with out the creator creating it, it could not exist.

God is a teacher and he often tests us. Not that He doesn't know what level we are at but He tests us so that we may move up another grade and for the benefit of others. If God had chosen any other man other than Job at that time they would have been defeated.
When police are being trained in the United States they are shown films of many high speed chases and different hostage crises as examples of what to do in case such situations were to arrive again. Because of the example of Job I can now identify the works of the devil and know how to defeat him.
Thank you :)
Not so!
There is always a difference ether in taste or condition.
Is it wrong to feel unique?

You are free to believe that. I don't know of any other tree but I know that there is only One righteous.

Did you know that allot of people that do good will good to hell?
Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you;
Doing good is not enough to enter the gates of Heaven.

[COLOR=blue]Delroy you better read this 1 again and look in a mirror. This verse is not talking about doing good deeds it’s talking about doing things in Christ’s name. Just as you preach in Christ’s name about homosexuality. Your words preach exclusion when Christ included and accepted all mankind.
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I hope that I have that mind of yours thinking straight now CG :D
I will await your reply.
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Thanks for your reply, you said "I think we have a mis-understanding here. You never said that we would be facing the opposite directions. Maybe I should have asked?" I am sorry! Christian are so literal I should have known you would misunderstand. But I think others got it.

"Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ. Judaism is not! Therefore it is impossible for both teachings to be the same." Christianity sprang out of Judaism. Jesus was a Jew. He never said that he came to overthrow the law. He came to fulfill it But he observed the law. It was the teachings of Paul that made Christianity what it is today.

"Are you and Vicky on the same path?" Yes! I see him as a plodder on the path, as I am. What thinks thou Vicky?Looks like it to CG It would be nice to meet you and put a face to the name. Would like to meet Delroy to I belive his heart is in the right place but as you say he just can't see the big pic.

"I can tell you right now according to my belief; we're not. But only God knows what the future holds for people who are walking another road. People change paths sometimes." Yes, indeed they do change paths. Christians are abandoning their path by the millions (except in Africa.) I am glad you admitted that only God knows the future to those on "another road." You give the impression that only the Christian knows

"Are you serious? Not every law is a good law CG." You asked me about the Laws. I assumed you meant the laws like the Ten Commandments, and Jesus' eleventh commandment! All of which predate Christianity, all of which are good, or are there some bad ones I missed?

"Do you know that in some countries you can be executed for what you believe?" Sadly, yes I do. These are countries that are unyielding in their beliefs, peopled by folks that think their way is the only way. (Hint! Hint!)No CG not Hint Hint but HINT!HINT!

"God created night for the plants and animals. We don't need night! Read Revelations 21:25." The quote you asked me to read refers to the new heaven, Not here, now. By the way. We need the plants and animals. What else would we eat? So the dark does do us good after all!Delroy tell me the history of Revelations who wrote it where and when

"In that verse God was speaking to Cyrus of a disaster/evil which He was soon going to create upon the kingdom of Judah. This disaster/evil was the impending Babylonian captivity. You and I both know that the word evil is used to describe many different things CG. But if you read the Bible carefully you will understand it. That is why the other translation makes it clear for you when it said the word "disaster" instead of "evil". Do you see this? God will never create something that goes against His will." At the time that verse was written disasters were believed to come from an evil force. All I was said is that God stood up to take the heat from creating disasters, evil, call it what you will.

"God is a teacher and he often tests us. Not that He doesn't know what level we are at but He tests us so that we may move up another grade and for the benefit of others. If God had chosen any other man other than Job at that time they would have been defeated. When police are being trained in the United States they are shown films of many high speed chases and different hostage crises as examples of what to do in case such situations were to arrive again. Because of the example of Job I can now identify the works of the devil and know how to defeat him." Wow! I still think it was an expensive test to put on poor Job! Not to mention all his family and servants who were killed. We tend to forget that. To God they were just disposable people. Thank goodness that God is not only a teacher but a student. He learned after that, as he learned after the flood, that this was not a productive way to go.

"Is it wrong to feel unique? " No, it is good. What is bad it to think you are exclusive.

"Did you know that allot of people that do good will good to hell? Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; Doing good is not enough to enter the gates of Heaven." That is right! There are those who seem to do good but really they are really trying to be seen as good by other men. Jesus was saying that the motive for doing good must always be examined. I know that you have another meaning in mind!

"I hope that I have that mind of yours thinking straight now CG." My mind was, all most, always straight because I lived the religions you dismiss. I have seen the oneness of faith for myself, not just in books! I can "see" the face of God in the followers of other faiths. You cannot because you are focused on only one aspect of a very big picture. Your religion forbids you to understand because it brands everything that is not Christian as evil but there is nothing we can do about that. It is one of the canons of your faith that the only "true" religion began 2000 years ago. You make your God (as you see him) very small indeed.
No CG Hint Hint but HINT!HINT! Delroy tell me the history of Revelations who wrote it where and when

Vicky, you said. "It would be nice to meet you and put a face to the name." It would be great to meet you too. Perhaps some day. Mind you in an island this small we might know each other already!

You also said, "Would like to meet Delroy to I believe his heart is in the right place but as you say he just can't see the big pic." You are right. I have no doubt that Delroy's heart is in the right place. When he writes, he stands up for his beliefs - as he should. Where are the other Christians to support him?

Not seeing the big picture is not the exclusive domain of the followers of the Christ. I find that most people in any religion you can name do not see the big picture. I see my "job" as giving them at least a glimpse at what is out there.

I don't demand that Delroy, you, or anyone else convert to Buddhism. Why? You have a perfectly good religion already. I just want people to open up and see that we are all brothers under the skin, struggling to understand! And maybe, just maybe, the study of another religion can make one see their own in a new, clearer, stronger light. It did it for me!

Vicky, you said. "It would be nice to meet you and put a face to the name." It would be great to meet you too. Perhaps some day. Mind you in an island this small we might know each other already!

It would not shock me.

You also said, "Would like to meet Delroy to I believe his heart is in the right place but as you say he just can't see the big pic." You are right. I have no doubt that Delroy's heart is in the right place. When he writes, he stands up for his beliefs - as he should. Where are the other Christians to support him?

I will support him on the Christian part but not the Judo/Chriatian part.

Not seeing the big picture is not the exclusive domain of the followers of the Christ. I find that most people in any religion you can name do not see the big picture. I see my "job" as giving them at least a glimpse at what is out there.

I don't demand that Delroy, you, or anyone else convert to Buddhism. Why? You have a perfectly good religion already. I just want people to open up and see that we are all brothers/SISTERS TO under the skin, struggling to understand! And maybe, just maybe, the study of another religion can make one see their own in a new, clearer, stronger light. It did it for me!

Vicky, you corrected me in my last post where I said......BROTHERS under the skin. You added SISTERS to that. Sorry, I did not mean to cut out 50%+ of the population! Perhaps I should have said.....we are ALL one under the skin! I will try and watch that in the future. :gi: