I follow the Laws of Jesus Christ.
What about the Old Testament???????

Jesus Christ never wrote any laws nor did he utter any that was not said before by other pagan mythological gods or Old Testament Jewish prophets. In fact most of what Jesus was believed to have said in the New Testament is strikingly similar to what the Buddha said 500 years earlier than what is written in the New Testament. Now tell me Delroy what Laws of Jesus Christ do you follow seeing that he was an illiterate/never wrote anything prophet? I eagerly await your reply.

By the way CG adults play that very same game that Vicky played as a child with very similar results.

My point here is over hundereds of years and many translation the stories have changed. Even the oldest parts of documents found can only prove that there was faith. But they don't prove, copy right Creator.

There is one thing Christ did do and that was to oppose the Old Testament on more than 1 occasion.
He taught he with out sin cast the first stone. This went against many laws in the Old Testament. Christ him self made and example by doing what was considered working on the Sabbath.

Christ did not right or utter laws but he did teach a new way of life for humans to treat other humans and the love of/for the Creator.

Vicky, you wrote. "My point here is over hundereds of years and many translation the stories have changed."
The oldest documents we have are the Dead Sea Scrolls. Compare them with newer translations and you will find only minor differences, none of which effects the meaning. Please give me one example of how a story in the Bible has change its meaning for one thing to another.

"Even the oldest parts of documents found can only prove that there was faith. But they don't prove, copy right Creator."
You are correct. But please remember, to the Christians, part of their faith IS that the Bible is a book inspired by God.

"There is one thing Christ did do and that was to oppose the Old Testament on more than 1 occasion. He taught he with out sin cast the first stone. This went against many laws in the Old Testament. Christ him self made and example by doing what was considered working on the Sabbath."
What Christ was trying to do was not to change the Old Testament but to oppose the misuse of the OT. Religious leaders of the time were using the OT for their own benefit and perverting the meaning of the Law. So, I guess, in a way, you are right.

"Christ did not right or utter laws but he did teach a new way of life for humans to treat other humans and the love of/for the Creator."
It was not really "new" but it was obviously powerful.

I follow the Laws of Jesus Christ.
lies......you follow the laws of perry christie...and whoever is in power!!!:shaky:

lies......you follow the laws of perry christie...and whoever is in power!!!:shaky:

Low blow, Yk2bad. Can you substantiate that statement? :confused:

Vicky, you wrote. "My point here is over hundereds of years and many translation the stories have changed."
The oldest documents we have are the Dead Sea Scrolls. Compare them with newer translations and you will find only minor differences, none of which effects the meaning. Please give me one example of how a story in the Bible has change its meaning for one thing to another.
What is the dating on the Dead Sea scrolls?? How many years after the death of Christ???
I am talking of the time before that.

"Even the oldest parts of documents found can only prove that there was faith. But they don't prove, copy right Creator."
You are correct. But please remember, to the Christians, part of their faith IS that the Bible is a book inspired by God.
I consider my self a Christian but not a Jewish Christian as most are. They can’t live up to the standards they set for others using the Old Testament and forget to look in a mirror. Or worse yet they feel they can use the laws that suit them to point finger and disregard the rest.

"There is one thing Christ did do and that was to oppose the Old Testament on more than 1 occasion. He taught he with out sin cast the first stone. This went against many laws in the Old Testament. Christ him self made and example by doing what was considered working on the Sabbath."
What Christ was trying to do was not to change the Old Testament but to oppose the misuse of the OT. Religious leaders of the time were using the OT for their own benefit and perverting the meaning of the Law. So, I guess, in a way, you are right.
What are the religious leaders doing today???
"Christ did not right or utter laws but he did teach a new way of life for humans to treat other humans and the love of/for the Creator."
It was not really "new" but it was obviously powerful.
It was new for the people of his time and place.

Could you imagine a world that followed the teachings of Christ??(as universal as his teaching are.) I am not talking about the Old Testament or the Apostils letters, opinions or teachings.

Vicky, you asked about the dating of the Dead Sea Scrolls. A recent Carbon 14 dating put their age at about 200 B.C.. I am not 100% sure of the date as I am taking that from memory but it is very close.

You maybe interested to know that the oldest fragment of the Bible (not from the Dead Sea find) is a segment(and it is small indeed) from the Book of Numbers. It says, "The Lord Bless thee and keep thee...." The fragment is from 600 B.C.

You asked if I could imagine a world that followed the teaching of Christ. Yes, I can. It would be far different from the world we live in. I am reminded of the words of Gandhi, "Christianity is a wonderful religion. Someone should try to follow it sometime." Well, of course there are many who do follow it, but is it enough to change the world?

Can Christians ever agree as to what a Christian really is? You say you are a Christian but not a Jewish Christian. Are the two not linked? Christianity sprang out of Judaism! Jesus quoted the Jewish texts, he lived by them. He said that he did not come to change one dot of the (Jewish) Law, did he not?

Low blow, Yk2bad. Can you substantiate that statement? :confused:i would!!!!
but..........................
im afraid that i dont know what substabtiate means??:dgi:

i would!!!!
but..........................
im afraid that i dont know what substabtiate means??:dgi:
No problem and with all due respect to you:

SUBSTANTIATE: authenticate, or confirm, or support, or document. In other words can you prove your statement?

No problem and with all due respect to you:

SUBSTANTIATE: authenticate, or confirm, or support, or document. In other words can you prove your statement?
psshaaw!!!!:sailing:
we dont need the truth...when good lies are way better!!!:shhh:

psshaaw!!!!:sailing:
we dont need the truth...when good lies are way better!!!:shhh:

In other words, you can’t substantiate your statement. So, we can dismiss it?

In other words, you can’t substantiate your statement. So, we can dismiss it?nahhhhhhhhhhh
i rather choose not to substantiate it...cause of the obvious evidence of the case presented!:cool:

nahhhhhhhhhhh
i rather choose not to substantiate it...cause of the obvious evidence of the case presented!:cool:O.K. I see that I am getting no where with you! You have, as the saying goes, "the courage of the knife but not of the blood!":bigmouth:

O.K. I see that I am getting no where with you! You have, as the saying goes, "the courage of the knife but not of the blood!":bigmouth:
There are many names for satan in the Bible CG but there is one that I will never forget; “The Great Accuser”.

There are many names for satan in the Bible CG but there is one that I will never forget; “The Great Accuser”.I hear you brother! If a man makes a charge or accusation, he should have the courage - no, the duty - to back it up so it can be confirmed or refuted.