Thank you Trutrhseeker. I always look forward to your contributions.

You said. "CG you say that there is insufficient evidence to properly answer the question but I beg to differ. If we approach this subject rationally and weigh the facts against the widely held beliefs we can gain an appreciation of the truth about the bible authenticity. Many Christians and non-Christian scholars have studied the scriptures in their historical/political/religious context and have passed onto to us useful information which may be pertinent to this debate."

Good! Give us some! I think I have said, here or on another thread, that I have been a student, and teacher, of world religious for 40+ years. I think I know the information you are alluding to but perhaps I am wrong. I always stand to be corrected. I welcome new info. I sincerely mean that!

Not everyone has the capacity to understand the spiritual realm like Delroy or Oparietal. Simple non-religious folks like me need proof for now.

I'm non-religious, but I've got all the proof I need. HE exists for me, inside and outside The Bible. But I'll tell you, what constitutes as proof for me, may or may not do the same for you.
And for the record I thought I made this clear.
o3parietal has limited understanding. Even about himself.

See that? Two sentences, in bold...it cannot possibly be hard to miss now. All I know is MY experiences. I've heard of some others and seen some others. I don't have authority to say what is clean from unclean, pure or unpure. The best I could give to ANYONE is an opportunity to reconsider.
So, consider the account of Paul's dream with the curtain of animals.
I can say certain things don't match up in the Bible, but for me to say it's unpure is kinda hypocritical ain't it? It don't belong to me. What belongs to me, I already have. And I have it because I went to The Source.

An authentic Christian life is a life of absolutely no compromise!

I believe that the Bible is the word of my God, I believe the in gives accounts of events that has already taken place, I believe in gives prophecies of events that are now taking place, and events that will soon take place, NOT STORIES, 'cause these are not fairy tales.

Living according to the principles and commandments in the Bible is not easy, there are no short cuts to living righteously before God, you do it His way...and that's it. Once you accept this than that is your life, to please God. the most difficult thing most people experience is turning their backs on pleasing themselves or their lust, and living a life of scrafice...
but once your heart is surrendered to God and His word, there is peace, joy and fulfilment in just obeying.

I wish that truthseeker and others who do not believe would just try living according to the Bible for 1 month, not according to what the "Chrisitian" community says, but talking to God one on one, read the story of Gideon and David or Daniel and than try what these men did and I know you will find that God will meet your every challenge you put to Him, because you are that importart to Him.

Question: Is there an ABSOLUTE TRUTH or does truth changes with an individual belief?

Let us first start with the Book of Genesis which is the foundation of the Bible. Now I understand that some of you do not take these biblical stories literally which is fine by me but of course there are others, christian fundamentalist, who take a literal intepretation of the Bible. The Bible starts with the creation stories an explanation of the origins of man,the earth and all other animals, and to some extent outerspace. The creation account in Genesis is not unique to the bible but was most likely compiled and borrowed from the Sumerians and Babylonians, two prominent cultures which were steeped in religious traditions. That this creation story was borrowed from other cultures and sewn/copied into the very fabric of Hebrew cultural/religious traditions with several alterations does not make it false but gives us a better understanding perhaps to its origins.

When we closely analyze the Genesis creation stories we find that the information provided within does not add up to our historical and scientific knowledge derived from years of studies and investigation by independent scientists. When I say stories, I mean that there are two creation accounts in Genesis if one were to read carefully the passages within the Bible which might help to explain the dual nature of it origins. An example of the inaccuracy in the creation story is the timeline or number of years the earth was around. If we count the number of years from creation until now 2003 CE using the bible as our guide, we get approximately 6000 years give or take a few centuries, but our studies of the earth's geologic time table indicates to us a much longer period. In fact the earth has been around approximately 5 billion years. A fatal blow for the Biblical creation timeline.

The creation of plant and animal life happen within one week or six days in the creation account, but we know that the origins of plant and animal life took millions of years to evolve. More specifically modern man, homo sapiens, as we are called, did not appear on the planet until as recently as 140,000 years ago. It took modern man approximately 2 million years through a process called evolution to arrive on this planet, not one day as the bible has indicated.

We can also deduce from our studies of the known universe that our planet, earth, probably like all other planets within the universe, is really just debris left over during the formation of our sun billions of years ago. A continuos natural process which we observe today in outerspace with our high powerd telescopes. From our observation of the universe we know that stars and perhaps planets are continually forming or being created from the leftover debris expelled from exploding stars. Obviously a naturally occuring event with out help from God considering he was too please and exhausted after 6 days to do anymore work.

WOW, Truthseeker

You are so full of it...information I mean.

You are a prime candidate to finding the God of the Bible, for He says
if you seek me you shall find me if you seek me with ALL your heart.

WOW

dacy2003 I liked your question: "Is there an ABSOLUTE TRUTH or does truth change with an individual belief?" I should think that every Religion claims to hold the absolute truth. There would be little point in following a religion that did not. The question is, what is absolute truth? If it is defined as perfect, complete and whole. Then I would saythat there is but it is difficult to find enough of it for us all to agree on. "You pay your money and you take your choice" as far as religious truth is concerned.

On the other hand, a good study of world religion will show one that there is much truth in them all. Much to be admired in all. But everything can be open to interpretation. Except Mathematics. 1 + 1 = 2 is an absolute truth that not even God can change. So, the only absolute is math.

On the bright side - most religions agree that murder is bad. Most religions speak against adultery, fornication, robbery etc. Most religions believe in the brotherhood of man. In helping and protecting the poor and the weak. Most believe in a supreme being, or beings.(Most atheists share these views as well, except the last one!) If we stand back and look at them all, with a dispassionate eye, I think we can see the beginnings of some kind of absolute truth. But this truth does not belong to any one group. Truth transcends religion. That is why those who are "stuck" in their religion can't see it in others.

I believe the subject matter in this thread is Bible: Fact or Fiction so it befuddles me why you are arguing the meaning of religious truth.

I believe the subject matter in this thread is Bible: Fact or Fiction so it befuddles me why you are arguing the meaning of religious truth.

Easy! The Bible IS religious truth to the Christian. It is the ONLY religious truth to the Christian - well most Protestant Christians that is!

Hey Truthseeker,

What's up,according to your name, you should have the answer for this. I mean...you have the answer for everything else, lol. :D

Yes CG we do need facts or proof to support our assertions. This is how it is done in the natural world. Not everyone has the capacity to understand the spiritual realm like Delroy or Oparietal. Simple non-religious folks like me need proof for now.

It wasn't flesh or bones that revealed this to you TruthSeeker.

Keep it up! I see your almost there. :tup::)

It wasn't flesh or bones that revealed this to you TruthSeeker.

Keep it up! I see your almost there. :tup::)

I am confused Delroy! I must be missing something! Revealed what? :dgi:

The creation of plant and animal life happen within one week or six days in the creation account, but we know that the origins of plant and animal life took millions of years to evolve. More specifically modern man, homo sapiens, as we are called, did not appear on the planet until as recently as 140,000 years ago. It took modern man approximately 2 million years through a process called evolution to arrive on this planet, not one day as the bible has indicated...
Obviously a naturally occuring event with out help from God considering he was too please and exhausted after 6 days to do anymore work.

After all that...lemme just say this, " I gern to sleep Truthseeker. Wake me up when dandelions blow back and when human saliva becomes a natural cure for HIV/AIDS. Then, and only then, will I consider that mode of evolution."

After all that...lemme just say this, " I gern to sleep Truthseeker. Wake me up when dandelions blow back and when human saliva becomes a natural cure for HIV/AIDS. Then, and only then, will I consider that mode of evolution."

If you do not accept this mode of evolution then please tell me what mode exactly do you accept? You strike me as a well informed person. Perhaps I may have missed something in my explanation.

I am confused Delroy! I must be missing something! Revealed what? :dgi:
Don't be confused by Delroy CG. It is quite common of him to do this type of thing.

Hey Truthseeker,

What's up,according to your name, you should have the answer for this. I mean...you have the answer for everything else, lol. :D

No I think you have me mistaken with the guy who has the number in his name.