We are not questioning the dictionary are we?

To that one all I can say is, I read the Dictionary! Not much of a story but at least they explain every word as they go along. :rolleyes:

Yes, the dictionary explains itself using the very words in the dictionary.
And yes, as long as we are talking about books of "faith" Vicki, we can bring the dictionary into this discussion through the mode of logic you've brought to the table.

Can you without using any of the words (or reference) in the dictionary, verify that the dictionary is not a book of faith? I'm very much so interested to see how this would be accomplished.

The same thing could very well possibly apply to The Vulgate as it is as grey as an English Sky.

Is there anybody in here who doesn't know that there is no Egyptian record of any man named Moses?
Is there anyone who doesn't know that the Egyptians were infamous for destroying records that the scribes of those times documented because the Pharoah ordered so?

Just as millions of people, (stupid and sound alike) trust the dictionary to be thorough and true with them in terms of diction, there are those who trust The Vulgate. They are consonant instances in my opinion and shouldn't be overlooked.

Yes, the dictionary explains itself using the very words in the dictionary.
And yes, as long as we are talking about books of "faith" Vicki, we can bring the dictionary into this discussion through the mode of logic you've brought to the table.

Can you without using any of the words (or reference) in the dictionary, verify that the dictionary is not a book of faith? I'm very much so interested to see how this would be accomplished.

The same thing could very well possibly apply to The Vulgate as it is as grey as an English Sky.

Is there anybody in here who doesn't know that there is no Egyptian record of any man named Moses?
Is there anyone who doesn't know that the Egyptians were infamous for destroying records that the scribes of those times documented because the Pharoah ordered so?

Just as millions of people, (stupid and sound alike) trust the dictionary to be thorough and true with them in terms of diction, there are those who trust The Vulgate. They are consonant instances in my opinion and shouldn't be overlooked.

Does not the dictioary provide meanings/definitions of words? By your reasoning everything we accept or reject, is done on faith, even the very words written or spoken. of course I don't see Webster building any temples to worship from his sacred book or for that matter asking converts to Dictionity to give 10% offering to support the priesthood.

Wouldn't you have to accept that story about the Egyptians destroying the records of the scribes on faith because I have so far not read that anywhere. Perhaps you can direct me to a site/book with this info. I would appreciate this very much. I have read that Moses was not a real man and neither is the story about the parting of the Red Sea an historical event.

Does not the dictioary provide meanings/definitions of words? By your reasoning everything we accept or reject, is done on faith, even the very words written or spoken. of course I don't see Webster building any temples to worship from his sacred book or for that matter asking converts to Dictionity to give 10% offering to support the priesthood.

Wouldn't you have to accept that story about the Egyptians destroying the records of the scribes on faith because I have so far not read that anywhere. Perhaps you can direct me to a site/book with this info. I would appreciate this very much. I have read that Moses was not a real man and neither is the story about the parting of the Red Sea an historical event.


Exactly, the dictionary gives words then provides the meanings/definitions of those words with more words. One big circular conundrum, so in the very possession of a dictionary one must TRUST the words the dictionary has in it.
A dictionary will only give you words that have been/are being used in accordance with the trends and fashions of men.

A dictionary will give you suggestions on how to pronounce words and often illustrated diagrams to get it's meaning across. Which is similar to what the Bible does.
BUT: When I say "automobile" and an Englishman with a C0Ckney accent says, "automobile" will it sound the same?

And should we go to war over it because he pronounces it differently? This is what I've pondered for so long since being born again...or "awakened" as CG would call it.

Why've these stupid people existed on earth to just totally do nonsense in the name of Him Whom I Serve. As it stands now, when I say "Christian" what runs through the average person's brain is denomination and the atrocities that people have done/are doing in accordance with the trends and fashions of men who claim to be "Christian".

Webster's Oracle is his dictionary. To come to his temple means you expect to get something meaningful, otherwise why would you use the dictionary or the other temples of knowledge like Webster's encyclopaedias?

Instead of forming our own diction (because as Bahamians that's what we have in our dialect) we sometimes convert to "Modern English".
And no, you don't give 10%, but you buy the dictionary (supporting the priesthood of knowledge), and Webster's don't come cheap. To pay him tribute is to use his history of diction.

Christ is something like that. It isn't just having Him, it's (for lack of a better word right now. Heh...Thesaurus) "using" Him. HE isn't bound by a book. You won't find Him in the book unless He alters your perception. I would suggest you not seek Christ in The Vulgate. But just seek Christ. Does that make sense? You very well may find Him EVERYWHERE.

And yes, I have those statements on faith Truthseeker, but I'm still looking to verify or dispell that data. So if you can help me out on that, I'd appreciate it. But I'm very close to verification.

there are a lot of striking similarites between the bible and judaesim!!!

there are a lot of striking similarites between the bible and judaesim!!!

That is because the Bible is Judaism - at least the first half, the Old Testament, as I am sure you know but others may not. :)
There are those who would suggest that the second half, the New Testament, is Judaism to! It was the letters of St. Paul that really put us on the "Christian" track.

Hi all what I am saying is know the history of the Bible before and while you study the Bible. It like trying to use an English version of the dictionary but have no knowledge of the alphabet.
Another would be to study the Civil war in the U.S. but knot study why it happened.
You would be just as lost as most of these so called Christians.

Oh and Delroy you are still not answering my questions.

Delroy you posted don’t know which thread a quote from the Bible that said something like:
The Creator created everything and with out the Creator creating it would not be.

You don't want an answer Vicky. I told you that. You already have your mind made up and your agenda is clear. What can I do? :confused:

You don't want an answer Vicky. I told you that. You already have your mind made up and your agenda is clear. What can I do? :confused:
Hi Delroy
In every thread I have met you on you beat around the bush. You don't want to answer the questions because you know that the mirror of hypocrisy will be in your face.

Here is a simple one does your home have a railing around the roof?????


By the way I met Cedric last night.

Vicky. Delroy says that you already have your mind made up. Is that true? He also said that your agenda is clear. Do you have an agenda?

You were very helpful to me regarding buying Bahamian on another thread. You changed my mind, positively. I admitted that. Do you remember? So, you can see that when I ask a question it is not just an idle pursuit, nor am I looking for ammunition to attack you - I want to know the answer - I may learn something that I did not know or see.

Vicky. Delroy says that you already have your mind made up. Hi CG yes my mind is made up. Is that true? He also said that your agenda is clear. Do you have an agenda?

You were very helpful to me regarding buying Bahamian on another thread. You changed my mind, positively. I admitted that. Do you remember? So, you can see that when I ask a question it is not just an idle pursuit, nor am I looking for ammunition to attack you - I want to know the answer - I may learn something that I did not know or see.

It is made up to always be open to new truth ideas and fact even if it is an individual 1.
Yes I have an agenda it is to live and speak my truth as ever changing as I learn it to be.
I believe in the equality of ALL human beings. I believe that all human beings have the right to life happiness and love as long as it dose not mistreat anyone or animal. Kill only to eat or to keep from being eaten.
I taught many a family member to spear fish and fish. I all ways tell them only kill the fish if you are going to clean it and eat it or sell/give to someone to eat. I have 2 that are not allowed on my boat at this time. I always give people many chances. Because we are all learning life as we live.
But respect for all that is around you is most important.
I don’t need a religion to tell/teach me this.
I will stand against anyone, group or religion that stands for any kind of inequality.

Vicky, There is nothing in what you said that any reasonable person could find fault with. I am sure that any Christian could subscribe to it and probably does! It is just that each being arrives at this state by different roads.

Let me tell you a story. I have a friend who had an illness. He went to a Herbalist who cured the illness 100%. My friend then when to his regular Medical Doctor who confirmed that the illness was gone! "However,' said the Doctor "The illness is gone but I can't say you are cured because you did not use "proper" medical treatment." Thirty-one years have past. My friends illness never reoccurred. I would say he was cured.

There is a danger in religion, as in the medical world, that we only see a "cure" if it is done through our methods. Kindness, goodness, and all the virtues are received through "X" religion and no other. No provision is made for people who "arrive" without the help of a religion - just can't happen, or so they say.

If religion is to remain a part of our every changing life. It must make room for the fact that "God" (however, you perceive him to be) is not restricted to anyone faith, or for that matter, any faith at all. He works across the board, and throughout the centuries. "He" was here before the Christian faith. He will be here after it, or any other faith you can name.

You rightly stated, "But respect for all that is around you is most important." You hit the nail right on the head! Keep hitting that nail! As often as you think it is needed.

and in addition to that!!!!

mostly every other major religion that derived out of the western and central african continent hold some similarities to them!!!!

yoruba,islam,judaeism,christianity...all hold some conection!!!!

for instance the word amen was a derived word from the egyptian God name Amen-Ra or Amon or Amen.......
meaning in judaesim "so be it"....
but the word amen means "creator of all gods in egyptian texts"....

and hence we have a cross into christianity,where it means the same thing as in hebrew....."verily,trustworthy,so be it" words that all have meaning in describing the one omniscient god,all knowing all powerful all loving all trustwortthy!!!

so knowing that the jews spent a considerable amount of time in egypt.....im sure we are all aware of the story of moses :) ,then if we understand this,then it isnt very hard to beleive that we are all conected under one great power....even if we worship in another way!!

holla!! :hammer:

Right you are yk2bad. All religions do have a connection. Each religion, as it appears on the world's stage, borrows bits and pieces for those that went before. Each follower, as he moves from one religion to another brings "baggage" from the old one into the new. If one has the eyes to see it, one can see where one religion lead into the other. One can see where the images, stories, and icons all share a common source. That "source" is the mind of man, activated and used by God to get his message across. That message is, peace, understanding and respect for all beings.

Unfortunately, we often mistake the messenger for the message. Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad, and many others all said the same thing. It is a shame that so many people have missed it. It is a shame we have put our attention on the messenger (Jesus, Buddha, etc) and missed their message. Have we missed the message? Look around you, turn on the TV News. Read a newspaper, then answer that question for yourself.

If religion is to remain a part of our every changing life. It must make room for the fact that "God" (however, you perceive him to be) is not restricted to anyone faith, or for that matter, any faith at all. He works across the board, and throughout the centuries. "He" was here before the Christian faith. He will be here after it, or any other faith you can name.



Let me add aquote form Christ here.

“In my Fathers house there are many mansions”
Do you think Christ is trying to say how big heaven is??
Or would Christ be referring to many different kinds of mansions???
The road to heaven is very narrow but do you really think it’s the same path for all mankind??

I feel the reason there are many mansions was a way that Christ described heaven to be accepting of many type of souls/people what ever we are after death.

The Creator made us all individual not even identical twins are he same. There for the road is as individual as you are. Another words your road to heaven.