Boi I tell ya!

Well DAMN, Chancellor, tell us how you really feel! LOL!

I hope you don't think we're ALL like that. :D

My opininon which I stand by is that African Americans frig up themselves single handedly with no help whatsoever. Anyone who works hard in America (and here too) can make it and that is cirtainly evident today, regardless of what race you are. If only these people would go to school and learn something, or at least dont go and procreate an entire suburb of people before they can finacially support themeselves. Instead of opening themeselves and their mind to a whole world available to them they stay go and segregate themeselves and talk bull about how are you are supposed to stay ghetto and "black" as if there are rules. And this is mainstream (at the moment). Now tell me how does progress work like that? WHat system is resposible for your faluire? I only see your hand in this. They glorify the whole substandard life and carry it around like an anthem, with no hope of what they can trully be.

And after they destroy any prospect of doing anything they make up the silliest excuse. Yeah go and blame other races that dont even know you much less care if you make it or not. Blame the president that hasn't done enough (with no child left behind, affirmative action, paying welfare out the public's pockets, more than enough attention on your race alone what more do you friggin want?!) Nobody listens to them any more because it just a nagg now. Anybody including us can go over there and make out a comfortable existance and acheive a higher standard of living. WIth all the things available in their institutions why are they not doing even close to the same? And then there are the paranoid blacks who take evrything as racism, but that's another two paragraphs that I will not suffer anyone to read. So I don't sympathize for red blooded African Americans that have alot of potential and resources, but rather place the energy on getting high.


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No, I don't think African Americans are ALL like that, and I didnt mean to generalize ( but it looks like a big number and worrying numbers).

My opininon which I stand by is that African Americans frig up themselves single handedly with no help whatsoever. Anyone who works hard in America (and here too) can make it and that is cirtainly evident today, regardless of what race you are. If only these people would go to school and learn something, or at least dont go and procreate an entire suburb of people before they can finacially support themeselves. Instead of opening themeselves and their mind to a whole world available to them they stay go and segregate themeselves and talk bull about how are you are supposed to stay ghetto and "black" as if there are rules. And this is mainstream (at the moment). Now tell me how does progress work like that? WHat system is resposible for your faluire? I only see your hand in this. They glorify the whole substandard life and carry it around like an anthem, with no hope of what they can trully be.

And after they destroy any prospect of doing anything they make up the silliest excuse. Yeah go and blame other races that dont even know you much less care if you make it or not. Blame the president that hasn't done enough (with no child left behind, affirmative action, paying welfare out the public's pockets, more than enough attention on your race alone what more do you friggin want?!) Nobody listens to them any more because it just a nagg now. Anybody including us can go over there and make out a comfortable existance and acheive a higher standard of living. WIth all the things available in their institutions why are they not doing even close to the same? And then there are the paranoid blacks who take evrything as racism, but that's another two paragraphs that I will not suffer anyone to read. So I don't sympathize for red blooded African Americans that have alot of potential and resources, but rather place the energy on getting high.

could the very same things be said about Bahamians?We have other nationals who came here with nothing and not only acheive a comfortable livin but became millionaires almost overnight?Don't we have a segment here that only want 2 get high also,and what's goin-on with our education system?we share the same nightmare,it would seem like you're suggestin that we don't have those issues here,who is the blame 4 the injustices and corruption handed-out by Black-Bahamians in high places,what about the daily murders that occur here ,alcoholism you name it and it's here in high-swing 2 the 9's,it's a case of the kettle callin the pot black!i nor anyone suggested in any form 4 sympathy,it goes sometimes without sayin to have decorum and tact, especially when we're castin stones at others 4 their faults and never acknowledge the mirror's reflection,i had hoped that we judge not, others,but ourselves first,we gat our back-yards 2 clean-up before we peer-into others,and guess what?it's all bein perputrated by Black Bahamians,there ain't no "whiteman"2 blame here. :bahamas: :bahamas:

well the thing is omega..what are the high places??
yes people come here and become millionaires, but what is it that they do??

people get confused on that....and i think the pm has to sit down with us on a naional radio address and tell the bahamian people the fundamentals!

law, accounting, banking, tourism....
how when why and what!!!

back to black americans and chancellor...their is a multi sided story to all of this
1. they hold themselves back by concentrating on trivial issues but this is to a small degree as whites do more trivial crap than blacks or any other minority does...."white collar designer drugs, pubescent doping, sky diving and all of the white crap"...

2. white america does not care at all "aside from how much will it cost them"...that is the bloody gawds awful truth!!! :sparky:

3. black leadership is marginalized and destroyed at every point eg. bill cosby and jesse jackson along with the entire black caucus...... some times by their own hand...some times by the media and their search for hot news...sometimes by their own circle.

4. the majority of blacks are engrained into poverty and do not know how to get up out....and before they get a clue, they are either cut down by death or by unwanted kids or by the prison system or by corruption...or all!!!

5.blacks just as much are victims of their own race and class at a thin layer, and i say that because "they have no direct affirming role models to grow up to be so they feed themselves the same crap"..gang mentality to say the least, but it is the same old problems recycled over and over because it is a learned accepted norm of their culture...sociology 250!

5. by now they are fed up with a system that has failed them and taken advantage of them (lets not forget slavery)..and (lets not forget the surpression of the american deep south)
this thing goes much deeper than them being lazy on he surface...HECK WHO ARE MORE LAZY THAN WHITE AMERICANS...they didnt build those buildings and monuments or our queens staircase...NIGGERS DID!!!
they just took the credit, and rightfully so because copyright and ownership is a part of education, something in which niggers didnt have in the day for obvious reasons...and are too lost and confused to have much of now!!

old proverb...teach a man to fish!!
THATS WHY I LIKE BUSH...FORGET SOCIAL WELFARE AND HANDOUTS...WE WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO FISH AND ENJOY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...AND WE WILL SPEND THE MONEY THE RIGHT WAY!!!
no welfare...no money in hand...no govt grants that can be redeemed as cash once refunded, NO THROWING MONEY AT THE PROBLEM AND HOPING IT GOES AWAY!!!
WE WILL ASSIST AND REWARD ACTION DILLIGENCE AND SELF RELIANCE!!!

kind of like what they have been doing for themseves for over 500 years...something in which they owe someone if only for the native indians teaching them the fruits on the land!!

Bush spent more money on entitlement programs...and spending more, cause the american people owes all of its citizens for making america what it is!

he will get flack from hard lined tax payers and the republican mucho rich wing....but screw it and lets do it...LETS TAKE BOLD ACTION!!!
:)

,it goes sometimes without sayin to have decorum and tact, especially when we're castin stones at others 4 their faults and never acknowledge,our own plethora of social ills ,i had hoped that we judge not, others,but ourselves first,we gat our back-yards 2 clean-up before we peer-into others, :bahamas: :bahamas:
where we goin with this Yk?

where we goin with this?
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The three points of similarity as it relates to the western black poverty in my estimation......

1. they hold themselves back by concentrating on trivial issues but this is to a small degree as whites do more trivial crap than blacks or any other minority does...."white collar designer drugs, pubescent doping, sky diving and all of the white crap"...

4. the majority of blacks (bahamians not so much due to our smalll society and fast growing private ownership businesses) are engrained into poverty and do not know how to get up out....and before they get a clue, they are either cut down by death or by unwanted kids or by the prison system or by corruption...or all!!!
(and i would add to this that american blacks and bahamian blacks need to make and continue to push for ownership, pastors and leaders are doing what they can as far as i can see here in the bahamas)
but.....the overiding theme is that BLACK BAHAMIANS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND KNOWING HOW TO WANT MORE....and that is something we need to understand, and the society can go far in thinking this way by taking a page out of neil ellis's book and encourage living life abundantly...not this poor man goes to heaven and rich man to hell syndrome. that way of thinking puts our brains to sleep and causes us to miss out!

5.blacks just as much are victims of their own race and class at a thin layer, and i say that because "they have no direct affirming role models to grow up to be so they feed themselves the same crap"..gang mentality to say the least, but it is the same old problems recycled over and over because it is a learned accepted norm of their culture...sociology 250!

Now.....all of the other things you want to get into like pregnancy violence drugs corruption are bi products of this complex dilema and it has to be taken at the root!
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The three points of similarity as it relates to the western black poverty in my estimation......

1. they hold themselves back by concentrating on trivial issues but this is to a small degree as whites do more trivial crap than blacks or any other minority does...."white collar designer drugs, pubescent doping, sky diving and all of the white crap"...

4. the majority of blacks (bahamians not so much due to our smalll society and fast growing private ownership businesses) are engrained into poverty and do not know how to get up out....and before they get a clue, they are either cut down by death or by unwanted kids or by the prison system or by corruption...or all!!!
(and i would add to this that american blacks and bahamian blacks need to make and continue to push for ownership, pastors and leaders are doing what they can as far as i can see here in the bahamas)
but.....the overiding theme is that BLACK BAHAMIANS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND KNOWING HOW TO WANT MORE....and that is something we need to understand, and the society can go far in thinking this way by taking a page out of neil ellis's book and encourage living life abundantly...not this poor man goes to heaven and rich man to hell syndrome. that way of thinking puts our brains to sleep and causes us to miss out!

5.blacks just as much are victims of their own race and class at a thin layer, and i say that because "they have no direct affirming role models to grow up to be so they feed themselves the same crap"..gang mentality to say the least, but it is the same old problems recycled over and over because it is a learned accepted norm of their culture...sociology 250!

Now.....all of the other things you want to get into like pregnancy violence drugs corruption are bi products of this complex dilema and it has to be taken at the root!
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YK much of your statement has already been conveyed and is without any rhetorical purpose,all of us have knowledge(information)about many things,i think the way forward is 2 channel our collective wisdom and apply it 2 our issues here in the Commonwealth of the Bahamas,dig it? I think talkin about what other countries should,could or didn't do is counter-productive idle-chat2 weeks ago i think Garnello or Tenniel mention education reform which is paramount and need 2 be reformed NOW,no,i'm not here 2 try and show any brilliance on the cause of anythin,we're lookin 4 solutions. :bahamas:

"YK much of your statement has already been conveyed and is without any rhetorical purpose,all of us have knowledge(information)about many things,i think the way forward is 2 channel our collective wisdom and apply it 2 our issues here in the Commonwealth of the Bahamas,dig it? I think talkin about what other countries should,could or didn't do is counter-productive idle-chat2 weeks ago i think Garnello or Tenniel mention education reform which is paramount and need 2 be reformed NOW,no,i'm not here 2 try and show any brilliance on the cause of anythin,we're lookin 4 solutions. "


First off i was not speaking to you with my entire initial post and was not answering you to that rergard as i was replying to chancelor...my initial response with the 5 or so points was speaking to chancelor....
Secondly...your response to my response re-iterating your post "our own plethora of social ills " signified to me that you know about the ills, but didnt know how and why they are started...i could be wrong but that is how i took your vague and flippant response..jmo!
You have to understand the root cause and not just that there is a problem i-omega...for instance i know that there is bush in my back yard and that it grows rapidly...do i understand why or how the bush grows??? :screw:
that is alot different than just knowing the bush grows!

It hasnt been detailed the way i put it as i havent seen it and i dont think anyone in here wrote word for word my construct, and for chancelors sake i displayed it becasue he had a veiw that i didndt share about blacks!

Now if you look at my two posts in point 4 and 5 you do see some thought on what we must do...I AM ALLWAYS ONE TO GIVE AN IDEA WITH MY REASON...but i say to you and what ever paper you intend to write omega is YOU come up with some more ideas on to how the problem truly grows and what you think that we can do.....not just to further you knowledge of it but to add to what can be done!
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The fundamental difference between me responding to chancelor and you responding to me is i furthered the debate with different veiw points as it pertained to him...you degraded the debate by throwing aside point A as you would call it and not put anything in place to assist knowing point A (to you) or any tangible points for us to benefit!
Education...They poor and need money...yadda yadda yadda.......WE SAY THOSE THINGS ALL THE TIME IF YOU ASK ME...that is the rhetoric we have too much of!!

Finding solutions that Speak to the bahamian and black experience is different! :bahamas: ...teach a man to fish..didnt i say that before??? :board2: :board2: :board2:
then look at my post again and see how i say teach a man to fish!!

ok you right,the history lesson was 4 Chancelor and the fishin trip was 4 me :dgi:

well even though this post is probably not goin to be read. i will put in my two cents. i am a bahamaian living in the U.S. and i am flattered that you dream about living in Nassau, bahamas. but i must ask you ARE U CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes when you visit the bahamas seems like a dream home but reality is IT IS NOT. here is y

1- IT IS EXPENSIVE, even thought the government portays it as a tax free society truth is bahamaian pay 100-200% in hidden taxes on everything they buy

2-IT IS SMALL, the ceter of the bahamas is in Nassau which is only 21*7 big, this means job opportunity is limited and it is extremly crowded

3- UN ORGANISED, every one there is unorganised it is almost impossible to get anything done. if you every have to wait on an ambulance, pay a light bill, or file a police report you will understand what i am saying.

4- services, service is poor from electricty, telephone, airlift(bahamasair). it is just POOR.

if i were you i would give up on my dreams of moving to the bahamas and just buy a time share


Hi Bahma Boy

Glad I found this site, don't have time to read all of the post but would like to ask some questions to you or anybody else.

My husband and I have a option of moving to the Bahamas, he would be with the state department, they provide a home in a gated community, this is free to us with no utilities payments, we also get extra $ a month to live there on top of his salary. Rarely do we have to pay for food as they make a run to the states with what we want. I thought this sounded pretty sweet living in Paradise for two years until I started searching the internet and saw how high the crime rate is. It's very high. It seems to me no matter how much $ they pay us it would not be worth it. Any thoughts?

Hi Bahma Boy
Glad I found this site, don't have time to read all of the post but would like to ask some questions to you or anybody else.
My husband and I have a option of moving to the Bahamas, he would be with the state department, they provide a home in a gated community, this is free to us with no utilities payments, we also get extra $ a month to live there on top of his salary. Rarely do we have to pay for food as they make a run to the states with what we want. I thought this sounded pretty sweet living in Paradise for two years until I started searching the internet and saw how high the crime rate is. It's very high. It seems to me no matter how much $ they pay us it would not be worth it. Any thoughts?


now i must ask are you crazy!? its such a coincidence that I know tons of people with the state department who are based in Nassau, Bahamas. IT IS ONE SWEET GIG. They are placed in the best of the best communities in Nassau, living in up in homes at minimum that cost half a million, their kids go to the best schools on the island, they get to import things free of charge. You would be under a totally different situation than the person I was responding to. Yes you probably read that for a small island there is alot of crime but its not Cote D Ivory or Haiti bad.

Truth is for folks like you the bahamas is one of the best places to be posted. Go for it. I hope you get a house in Sandy Port.

now i must ask are you crazy!? its such a coincidence that I know tons of people with the state department who are based in Nassau, Bahamas. IT IS ONE SWEET GIG. They are placed in the best of the best communities in Nassau, living in up in homes at minimum that cost half a million, their kids go to the best schools on the island, they get to import things free of charge. You would be under a totally different situation than the person I was responding to. Yes you probably read that for a small island there is alot of crime but its not Cote D Ivory or Haiti bad.
Truth is for folks like you the bahamas is one of the best places to be posted. Go for it. I hope you get a house in Sandy Port.



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