for all of those narrow-minded folk in this virtual room who insist on diminishing the black world's contribution to the rest of civilization by insisting that the black presence in the western hemisphere began in 1619 with the advent of slavery, i would suggest that you read dr. ivan van sertima's excellent dissertation, "they came before columbus."

your brainwashed views will open to realize that without the black presence in the western hemisphere, there would have been no incan pyramids ... or no city of los angeles for that matter. please educate yourselves to the active role that black man and woman has played in the engaged development of the ancient and modern world. then come back and rant about 'the man holding you down.'

again, he or she who refuses to learn his or her history is doomed to repeat it.

AMEN!

Equality cannot correct Inequality!
Suppose Mary had two sons. Tom and Chris. Mary liked Tom more than Chris so she therefore decided to give Tom a much bigger allowance than Chris. Tom was given $50 and Chris was only given $2 on a weekly basis. After a year of doing this Mary acknowledged that this was wrong and she decided from now on both Tom and Chris will receive $30 each on a weekly basis. After a year the following amounts were accumulated
Tom 50 X 52 = $2600 + $30 = $2630
Chris $2 X 52 = $ 104 + $30 = $ 134
Mary came to realize that equality couldn’t solve the problem of inequality. Because Tom was given more for so long he had an extreme advantage over Chris. To rectify this she decided on a policy of inequality in reverse. Instead of Tom receiving the larger sum, Chris will now receive one lump sum far exceeding that of Tom’s. Chris was given $2526 and Tom was given $30. The end result was as follows:
Tom $2630 + $30 = $2660
Chris $ 134 + $ 2526 = $2660
Tom was white and Chris was Black. The moral of this story is you cannot correct inequality through equality.
Even though reverse inequality seem fair, it was never actually done because it would appear racist.
My interest in submitting this is only to expose the truth. You will never solve a problem by avoiding it.

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Just when i decide in my minds eye, that this guy is okay and not racist, you go and post $h!t like this. From your previous posts, I would think you more inteligent to respond to this as you did, yes there was slavery form the beginning of time, i'm not disputing the fact. But you and I both know that Africans and Westerners viewed and practiced it differently. It seems that anytime someone says anything that belittle black folk, even a bit, you run with it.

How differently????:cool:

Even though CG and I may not agree on some things...unintelligent he/she is not...and is dead on in his/her assertions about the "brothers" involvement in our most unfortunate capture and transportation to our start with being white men slaves!

Just when i decide in my minds eye, that this guy is okay and not racist, you go and post $h!t like this. From your previous posts, I would think you more inteligent to respond to this as you did, yes there was slavery form the beginning of time, i'm not disputing the fact. But you and I both know that Africans and Westerners viewed and practiced it differently. It seems that anytime someone says anything that belittle black folk, even a bit, you run with it.


Excellent Point. I wouldnt go so far as to say CG is a racist.....he is not. I do agree with you that the comparison of the two types of slavery is disingenuous at best and someone with CG's intellect should know better.

The debasement, the stripping away of the slaves humanity, the violence was all something that the Western world brought to slavery. Much like the warfare with the Native Americans ..... the western worlds ability to first dehumanize their enemy, to define their enemy as something less than them.....which in turn help insulate them from the depth of the atrocities they go on to commit is no secret.

That is a side of the subject that most Black folks don't want to talk about. There was a thriving slave trade there when the Whites arrived. All the Europeans did was to turn the slimy business into big business. Many slaves did fall into white hands that way but there were also raids done mostly by Arabs and Blacks that knew their way around the country side. These raids were exclusively to capture people for the European slave trade.
You are right. It was all about money and its attending greed for more and more! Money talks, and has no color.


Oh....please. Do you really believe that?

Its really appalling to me how important parts of reality are so easily overlooked and that some actually believe that such distinctions aren’t important. And we wonder why "black" people have such a hard time overcoming the debilitating effects of race. In my opinion its because so many of us weren’t taught proper history and have no basis, no ammunition to refute such blatant “spin” when we hear it.

Ancient slavery versus American slavery: A distinction with a difference
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3843/is_200301/ai_n9233870

"Slavery in the Americas introduced the troubling element of race into the master/slave relationship. For the first time ever, dark skin became the indelible mark of chattel slavery. Furthermore, as a means of justifying this new look given to an ancient institution, the enslavers and their supporters created a race-specific ideology of condemnation. This false rhetoric not only removed the interchangeability of slave and master-the ancient prospect that a slave could someday become even his master's master-from the realm of cultural and political possibility, but it also outlasted slavery itself."

(and that is the basis of the racism we live with till this day.....and that folks....is the difference).

"The argument that slavery already existed in Africa and was thus not completely alien or debilitating to African people and the future development of African societies, was one that was used by many European slave traders and anti-abolitionists (and modern day denyist) to justify chattel slavery in the Americas."

Now who gone dig up this old thread .. LOL

Seriously though it was a post by a Spam Bot which has been deleted now..
They getting smarter now .. they posted replies on a couple other threads here this morning. ..

How differently????:cool:
Even though CG and I may not agree on some things...unintelligent he/she is not...and is dead on in his/her assertions about the "brothers" involvement in our most unfortunate capture and transportation to our start with being white men slaves!


While that may be true. The white man exploited it, and kept the entire race down at the bottom of he. Both are equally wrong and the white structure, is in power and has the power to change the way things are done. So far, they are still in compettition with us.
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Why don't you two nuckleheads send each other private messages instead of wasting space making threads on our precious website! Haitianboy, you realy have to stop all this "the man is trying to keep us down" bull. You sound like an underachieving black militant! I am a black Bahamian unlike you two. I know the Bahamas isn't made up of just black people. We all work together to achieve a better life together. For all the racist whites that live here in the Bahamas, they've missed out on alot by having such a norrow mind to society. And the same goes to blacks in this country. What we don't need here is this racist "the man is keeping me down" bull. How can haitianboy live in the country (U.S.) where "the man" is in charge and still have these narrow minded views. The same country that gives him a better oppertunity than his native haiti. The same country that he wouldn't leave to go back to haiti for. And CG if you are not a haitian you are obviously a jamaican. Keep this filthy racist crap out of the Bahamas and out of our website. Get a real life! Open your eyes! Live a little! Put down this memory of oppression and use this precious time to make better of yourselves! Use this energy you have Haitianboy and try to do something possitive for Haiti. That is exactly whats wrong with your country now. Your people are too divided fighting each other for insignificant goals instead of fighting for the big picture! A better way of life. You have to realize that a better way of life is found firstly within yourselves and then your environment. Not simply thinking about running from your homes and hoping your love ones make it out also. You fools live in the Bahamas and the United States and still havn't caught any sense yet!


Why dont You respect freedom of Speech and find a post you are actually interested in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is why some problems are never solved because of people like YOU who would rather have everybody stick their heads in the sand rather than taking the Bull by the horn!

Hi I hope you guys dont mind me using some of your webspace to post this...this thread was actually influenced by CG on another thread that I responded to...
CG in case you are reading, this is a response I got from my usual posting spot at golocaljamaica.com - I posted a peice of our conversation on there and someone just replied to me with this...I will wait until I see your response to add my 5 cents...here:
Re: BLACK ON BLACK
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God, I hate these kind of threads but here I go again. The black on black issue was perpetuated by the man. During slavery, the man used one brother to keep tabs on the other brother; hence the saying, " I don't trust that brother". Brothers never learned to get together and that has been handed down throughout slavery to this present time and until the end of the world.
Many say that slavery and the bad period of racism are long gone but the effects of it are permanently blended into the fiber of our being. Black promiscuity coupled with our lack of understanding related to the interpersonal relationship is just one example of the permanent damage done to our people because of the man, his slavery and racist devices. A black man wasn't in a position to protect his family thus we still have issues because we have very few or no models to follow. White people don't have these problems
Okay, I hear you all screaming propaganda, but I say propaganda my @$$! Consider this; you oxtail tail and boil dumpling lovers; oxtail, cow foot and other items like chicken foot that we love in our soup, was considered the fifth quarter. In other words, these were the parts of the animal that "massa" rejected for his own family because it was considered nasty and garbage. Come on, oxtail is the tail of a cows @$$. Over time, black people got accustomed to eating the fifth quarter and as time went on and new generations of blacks were born into the world, the origin of our food was forgotten as we became accustomed to it as a part of our CULTURE.
Why do black people suffer from diseases related to the crap we eat Massa planned it from the beginning We got the worst of everything and now we are stuck on it cause it taste good and is a part of our culture
See, all this black on black crap which we now accept as part of our culture was a part of the man's master plan to forever keep us divided and it worked.
The psychological effects of slavery are permanent and anybody that says it is not, please continue eating your oxtails and the other fifth quarters and enjoy.



I have discussed this matter before on this website. I have shown people how some of the negative effects of slavery are still being reflected in our society today. but nobody took me seriously then. Many of the problems I mentioned were reiterated in the above post. Black promiscuity was condoned under slavery and it is still prevalent today.

You see the concept is not trying to make the white man feel guilty but to identify the suppressing tactics used by the White man and exposed them so through knowledge we can completely alleviate the negative affects of slavery.

Oh....please. Do you really believe that?

Its really appalling to me how important parts of reality are so easily overlooked and that some actually believe that such distinctions aren’t important. And we wonder why "black" people have such a hard time overcoming the debilitating effects of race. In my opinion its because so many of us weren’t taught proper history and have no basis, no ammunition to refute such blatant “spin” when we hear it.

Ancient slavery versus American slavery: A distinction with a difference
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3843/is_200301/ai_n9233870

"Slavery in the Americas introduced the troubling element of race into the master/slave relationship. For the first time ever, dark skin became the indelible mark of chattel slavery. Furthermore, as a means of justifying this new look given to an ancient institution, the enslavers and their supporters created a race-specific ideology of condemnation. This false rhetoric not only removed the interchangeability of slave and master-the ancient prospect that a slave could someday become even his master's master-from the realm of cultural and political possibility, but it also outlasted slavery itself."

(and that is the basis of the racism we live with till this day.....and that folks....is the difference).

"The argument that slavery already existed in Africa and was thus not completely alien or debilitating to African people and the future development of African societies, was one that was used by many European slave traders and anti-abolitionists (and modern day denyist) to justify chattel slavery in the Americas."

So history for you does not move beyond the late 16 hundreds when the black man was brought to the americas as slave (he was there earlier as freemen)? You are so off base with that statement...it een funny nomore!

I would like for you to tell of one incident of slavery in human history that was not based on race or cultural differences? Was it in Rome, Eygypt, Mayans, Mohawk, Zulus or Druid? Where...sir knight? Where in our time and history that nationalized slavery was not based of "any other people you can get ya hands on"...not ma own folks mind you...except some "indenture" cultures such as the cast system of india,the Rapa Nuie, the chinese and some other orential groupings that believed in superior and inferiour elements within their culture!

And to assert that blacks were chosen because of their color is untrue...they were, as with every other incidance of one nation enslaving another, because of availability...not a particular skin or enthnic marking!

Now I would go along with because there was an abundant supply of blacks available in africa...their skin color become the "racial" identifier that distinguised slave and none-slaves! Thus, black were seen as inferior...purely on social element "identifier" that distinguised slave from masters.

If the masters did find an availability of whites to serve the same purpose...then it is a good bet that some other social identifier would have been found to distiguised slaves fron non-slaves! For example...india had its "untouchables" and Rapa Nuei seperation based on hair color!:uh:

And to assert that blacks were chosen because of their color is untrue...they were, as with every other incidance of one nation enslaving another, because of availability...not a particular skin or enthnic marking!


I never said they were chosen because of their skin color.


Now I would go along with because there was an abundant supply of blacks available in africa...their skin color become the "racial" identifier that distinguised slave and none-slaves! Thus, black were seen as inferior...purely on social element "identifier" that distinguised slave from masters.


That is what I said.


If the masters did find an availability of whites to serve the same purpose...then it is a good bet that some other social identifier would have been found to distiguised slaves fron non-slaves! For example...india had its "untouchables" and Rapa Nuei seperation based on hair color!:uh:


Oh fracking please…...…. Now what is your point?….if they did this and if they did that? “if” gets us nowhere. I’m simply talking about what they did do. What is it about that and its ramifications as I see them do you disagree with?

I never said they were chosen because of their skin color.
That is what I said.
Oh fracking please…...…. Now what is your point?….if they did this and if they did that? “if” gets us nowhere. I’m simply talking about what they did do. What is it about that and its ramifications as I see them do you disagree with?

That's the "POINT"! WHAT DID THEY DO....THAT MADE THE SLAVERY BETWEEN WHITE AND BLACKS SO DIFFERENT FROM OTHER INCIDENTS OF SLAVERY...EXCEPT COLOR LIKE YOU CAN'T GET AROUND?:mad:

WHAT THE HELL YOU DO GET IN THESE DISCUSSIONS FER...YA NEVER SEEMS TO GET THE POINT OF "ANYTHING" WHICH DOES NOT AGREE WID YOUR THINKING!