We may not be eye to eye on somethings but we both and a few others see one goal. Equality, and because of that we have unity.
Keep it up gurl
all of you keep it up.
Fear not these people with the Bible who use it to hate they are only people and as Jesus taught Matthew 15:14 (King James Version)
14Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

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You say some dumb things.
1. If I lost my genitals in a car accident, that is completely different than saying I was born a certain way. No comparison. Gender is not between your ears. Ok then let me help you out a bit your gender identity who you know your self to be. That's gender role. Gender is the same as sex. Male or female. Masculine and feminine are different. Masculine means like the male gender. And feminine means like the female gender. Which means a member of the male gender can be feminine. As a member of the female gender can be masculine. You can't change your gender, its a physical characteristic -- well I guess you can change it if you are confused and swallow a lot of hormones. I knew long before The one thing you GLBT people can't seem to understand is that you can't go changing language just because you fell on your head as a child and suddenly forget what you are.
You say some dumb things. No comparison.
[/QUOTE]But now you can answer the question how will you live if you lose your (so called) man hood? Will it change your gender identity??
2. If you need a marriage license to look out for your well being then marry a woman and she should marry a man. You need a drivers license to drive a car right?? You can't decide to go fly a plane using your drivers license.

We may not be eye to eye on somethings but we both and a few others see one goal. Equality, and because of that we have unity.
Keep it up gurl
all of you keep it up.
Fear not these people with the Bible who use it to hate they are only people and as Jesus taught Matthew 15:14 (King James Version)
14Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.


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Ok then let me help you out a bit your gender identity who you know your self to be. I knew long before
You say some dumb things.[/B] No comparison.
But now you can answer the question how will you live if you lose your (so called) man hood? Will it change your gender identity??
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You don't have to help me out. *I* helped *YOU* learn how not to say stupid things like gender is between your ears.

No, of course I won't change gender identity because I *LOSE* my genitals. Did I gain a vagina?? No. So how do you compare switching genitals to losing genitals?? You never lost anything. You gave it up. You made a choice.

How do you compare losing your life in a car accident to suicide?? There is no comparison. One is a choice the other is not. The people that make the choice to give it up are the confused and crazy ones. The people that lost it are the tragedies.

Speaking of identity.

Its not something you are born with. You aren't born with a Bahamian identity. Gender identity or even a Vicky identity.

But now you can answer the question how will you live if you lose your (so called) man hood? Will it change your gender identity??

You don't have to help me out. *I* helped *YOU* learn how not to say stupid things like gender is between your ears.
No, of course I won't change gender identity because I *LOSE* my genitals. [/QUOTE]So what is between you legs makes no differance as to your gender identity. Now think about that for a while and get back to me. Did I gain a vagina?? No. So how do you compare switching genitals to losing genitals?? You never lost anything. You gave it up. You made a choice.
How do you compare losing your life in a car accident to suicide?? There is no comparison. Yes both are still dead One is a choice the other is not. The people that make the choice to give it up are the confused and crazy ones. The people that lost it are the tragedies.
Speaking of identity.
Its not something you are born with. You aren't born with a Bahamian identity. Gender identity or even a Vicky identity.

Prove it. You see Medical professionals say other wise and I guess you smarter than they are. Oh please wise one tell them the cure for cancer.

You don't have to help me out. *I* helped *YOU* learn how not to say stupid things like gender is between your ears.
No, of course I won't change gender identity because I *LOSE* my genitals. So what is between you legs makes no differance as to your gender identity. Now think about that for a while and get back to me. Yes both are still dead
Prove it. You see Medical professionals say other wise and I guess you smarter than they are. Oh please wise one tell them the cure for cancer.
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This is not debatable. Utter rubbish.

What is between my legs and what was between my legs are different things. A person born blind is different from a person that became blind. Arguing the semantics only shows how pathetically idiotic your position is.

Prove what?? That medical professionals say other wise?? Which medical professionals?? Geneticists?? Biologists??

Which ones?? But be careful. You are about to contradict yourself.

So what is between you legs makes no differance as to your gender identity. Now think about that for a while and get back to me. Yes both are still dead
Prove it. You see Medical professionals say other wise and I guess you smarter than they are. Oh please wise one tell them the cure for cancer.

This is not debatable. Utter rubbish.[/QUOTE]Rubbish you are the one saying that the sex between your legs determans you gender identity. There for if you no longer have male genitilia you what? remember you are implying that there are only 2 choices male or female and that males have male genitila.
What is between my legs and what was between my legs are different things. A person born blind is different from a person that became blind. Being blind is a good one I work with that. You can be born with perfectly good eyes and still be blind because of brain wireing as it called. So Because some one has eyes they should be given a drivers licence when they are blind . Arguing the semantics only shows how pathetically idiotic your position is.
Prove what?? That medical professionals say other wise?? Which medical professionals?? Geneticists?? Biologists??
Which ones?? But be careful. You are about to contradict yourself.

Prove that humans can't be born with brain wiring (for lack of a better term)where their gender identity is different from the biological sex.

This is not debatable. Utter rubbish. Rubbish you are the one saying that the sex between your legs determans you gender identity. There for if you no longer have male genitilia you what? remember you are implying that there are only 2 choices male or female and that males have male genitila. Being blind is a good one I work with that. You can be born with perfectly good eyes and still be blind because of brain wireing as it called. So Because some one has eyes they should be given a drivers licence when they are blind .
Prove that humans can't be born with brain wiring (for lack of a better term)where their gender identity is different from the biological sex.


More foolish rantings.

1. I am not saying what is between your legs determines your gender identity because you have reduced the argument, as usual, to something stupid. I'm just waiting to hear you say what if a fly lands between your legs, does that men that your sex is "fly". Losing your genitals is a retarded illustration. For several reasons, I'm 30 years old. My genitals have already produced the masculinity necessary for me to assume the gender identity of masculine. Another reason, the accidental loss of genitalia is a statistical outlier. I can go on and on about its even silly to bother with the notion.

2. You can be born with perfectly good eyes and still be blind?? What's your point. How does this contradict anything I said. Here you are obviously trying to skew what I said to establish a point that I wasn't trying to illustrate with the comparison of blindness.

3. I don't have to prove it. There *IS* no brain wiring for gender identity. Identity is sociological not biological. Which is why medical professionals are at a loss. Which is why one day they'll argue that its genetic, then another day that its in the womb, and then another day something else. There experiments are always and have always been flawed and biased, which is why there data changing so often. Because it is all lies and always has been lies. It is simply outside their scope of competency. It falls into the scope of professionals that deem GLBT as "deviant" and unnatural, behaviorists and social scientists. Which is why it is in the best interest of the GLBT agenda to discredit those that have the most credibility on the subject with studies that hold no scientific weight only biases.

More foolish rantings.
1. I am not saying what is between your legs determines your gender identity because you have reduced the argument, as usual, to something stupid. I'm just waiting to hear you say what if a fly lands between your legs, does that men that your sex is "fly". Losing your genitals is a retarded illustration. For several reasons, I'm 30 years old. My genitals have already produced the masculinity necessary for me to assume the gender identity of masculine. Another reason, the accidental loss of genitalia is a statistical outlier. I can go on and on about its even silly to bother with the notion.
Grasping and straws I see. I used you very methioed of logic and put an end to you logic. It holds no reasoning other than being a bigot. It jumps from one trend of logic to another first you say the sex between you legs gives you a male or female gender identity. Then cornered with the question about losing male genetilia what are you. You Jump to "fly sex".
So you did not know you were masculine until you were 30??

Oh great wise one please tell me the reason why I identify as transgender female???


2. You can be born with perfectly good eyes and still be blind?? What's your point. I made my point brain wiring. But I am sure you have been tracking all the studies done and being done on the subject. How does this contradict anything I said. Here you are obviously trying to skew what I said to establish a point that I wasn't trying to illustrate with the comparison of blindness.It an illustration of brain wiring. Being born with eyes and yet blind because of brain wiring
3. I don't have to prove it. There *IS* no brain wiring for gender identity. Identity is sociological not biological.


http://www.susanohanian.org/show_inthenews.html?id=298
The brain's sexual identity is first established when those hormones are briefly released before and shortly after birth, which may influence a child's preference for dolls or trucks.

"There's a peak of testosterone in males at birth that's very important for future sexual behavior," said Dr. Sophie Messager of Paradigm Therapeutics in Cambridge, England. "If you block that, the male rats behave like females for the rest of their life."


Which is why medical professionals are at a loss.They are not you are just behind the times. As they search they find gender (sexual if you prefer that word) has a few casuse and levels Which is why one day they'll argue that its genetic, then another day that its in the womb, and then another day something else. There experiments are always and have always been flawed and biased, which is why there data changing so often. Because it is all lies and always has been lies. It is simply outside their scope of competency. It falls into the scope of professionals that deem GLBT as "deviant" and unnatural, behaviorists and social scientists. Which is why it is in the best interest of the GLBT agenda to discredit those that have the most credibility on the subject with studies that hold no scientific weight only biases.

Really the problem is people like you who try to speak as an authority on issues you have never studied or researched.

Grasping and straws I see. I used you very methioed of logic and put an end to you logic. It holds no reasoning other than being a bigot. It jumps from one trend of logic to another first you say the sex between you legs gives you a male or female gender identity. Then cornered with the question about losing male genetilia what are you. You Jump to "fly sex".
So you did not know you were masculine until you were 30??
Oh great wise one please tell me the reason why I identify as transgender female???
I made my point brain wiring. But I am sure you have been tracking all the studies done and being done on the subject. It an illustration of brain wiring. Being born with eyes and yet blind because of brain wiring
http://www.susanohanian.org/show_inthenews.html?id=298
The brain's sexual identity is first established when those hormones are briefly released before and shortly after birth, which may influence a child's preference for dolls or trucks.
"There's a peak of testosterone in males at birth that's very important for future sexual behavior," said Dr. Sophie Messager of Paradigm Therapeutics in Cambridge, England. "If you block that, the male rats behave like females for the rest of their life."
They are not you are just behind the times. As they search they find gender (sexual if you prefer that word) has a few casuse and levels
Really the problem is people like you who try to speak as an authority on issues you have never studied or researched.


1. You didn't catch me in a logical bind. You say stupid things. A wise man once said don't argue with fools -- because from a distance folks can't tell who is who. So I left the ridiculous thought of such an assassine illustration as accidental castration to validate or invalidate gender identity.

2. I knew I was masculine at age 8, and not before. If I was raised amongst wolves I would've never known I was masculine. Its an identity of socialism.

3. Wow. Experimentation on rat sexuality. This is what you base your life on?? So sad. If that is not the dumbest support for homosexuality I have ever heard. The way rats interact is entirely different from the way humans interact. And what exactly causes females to act masculine?? The same experiment?? No. This experiment has been done on humans already. You and I have had this same discussion over and over and over again.

Feminity in males does not suggest homosexuality. Masculinity in women does not suggest lesbianism.

As a member of the GLBT community it amazes me that you don't have better resources than that.

Well there you have it! God made me...but you say, you made you.Also..if people like her didn't bother you,why so vehemently defend yourself?Both instances are hypocritical.You quote God's word, and claim to live it,but God did not create you.People critical of you do not bother you,but you constantly defend yourself from their opinions.Very curious!:uh:


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I do read
My given name is not Victor it does not even start with V Here I will do you a favor my middle name is Evon pernounced like the girls name Yvonne. What happed you know you can't get to me with your faith (as blind as it is) cause I can referance the Bible just like you so you try to insult me with names... I live The Way of life Jesus taught we should live. You should try it some time.
You seem to miss my question.

I ask again
I suppose Jesus taught that you should treat others differently than you yourself would want to be treated??


For what you have told the forum you are a man which believes he is a female, you can dress it up as best as you can but when you die (which we all have to do) you will die as a man.

You were never a woman. You wanted to be a woman. Which is a big difference. I wanna be a millionaire. I wish I was lucky enough to take hormones like you and then lie to the rest of the world telling them that I was *ALWAYS* a millionaire.


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1. You didn't catch me in a logical bind. You say stupid things. A wise man once said don't argue with fools -- because from a distance folks can't tell who is who. So I left the ridiculous thought of such an assassine illustration as accidental castration to validate or invalidate gender identity.
2. I knew I was masculine at age 8, and not before. If I was raised amongst wolves I would've never known I was masculine. Its an identity of socialism.
3. Wow. Experimentation on rat sexuality. This is what you base your life on?? So sad. If that is not the dumbest support for homosexuality I have ever heard. The way rats interact is entirely different from the way humans interact. And what exactly causes females to act masculine?? The same experiment?? No. This experiment has been done on humans already. You and I have had this same discussion over and over and over again.
Feminity in males does not suggest homosexuality. Masculinity in women does not suggest lesbianism.


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