There are others wanting to get married that don't qualify as consenting adults.
And family members are consenting adults.

consenting adults family or not. No religion should impose its policy on people. No gov should impose policy on people when it comes to relationships with consenting adults
you looking at it from a sex point of view. But sex does not make a marriage now does it??

consenting adults family or not. No religion should impose its policy on people. No gov should impose policy on people when it comes to relationships with consenting adults
you looking at it from a sex point of view. But sex does not make a marriage now does it??


I didn't mention sex.

You are grasping at straws.

Religion isn't imposing anything and government isn't imposing policy either. If you are so for the people -- why not let the people decide if they want to change their laws or not.

I didn't mention sex.
You are grasping at straws.
Religion isn't imposing anything and government isn't imposing policy either. If you are so for the people -- why not let the people decide if they want to change their laws or not.

i think we all acknowledge that in a democracy the "people" decide their laws...but the consensus of a miseducated people isnt always right/fair. By presenting arguments from both sides we should be able to reach a compromise that benefits all.

i think we all acknowledge that in a democracy the "people" decide their laws...but the consensus of a miseducated people isnt always right/fair. By presenting arguments from both sides we should be able to reach a compromise that benefits all.


Where is the miseducation of the benefits of homosexual marriage??

By the way -- right and fairness have no place in our legal system. There is legal and illegal. Right and fair are merely opinions. Legal and illegal are supposed to be objective and defining what's best for the society as a whole. This is why the civil rights movement was successful. This is also why "homosexual rights" have not been successful.

The homosexual agenda has served to mislead the masses again and again, and in some cases outright lie. Also, there is no proof that society is being unfair to homosexuals. When you refer to "homosexual marriage" as a violation of human rights -- this is a lie -- marriage is not a right. It is a privilege.

Just as driving is not a right. The government decides who to give that privilege to. 15 year olds are not discriminated against unjustly because government does not extend that privilege to them. The same with alcohol. The same with work visas. It is the right of the government alone to decide who to give these privileges to.

Calling them rights only serves to undermine your own agenda.

Where is the miseducation of the benefits of homosexual marriage??
By the way -- right and fairness have no place in our legal system. There is legal and illegal. Right and fair are merely opinions. Legal and illegal are supposed to be objective and defining what's best for the society as a whole. This is why the civil rights movement was successful. This is also why "homosexual rights" have not been successful.
The homosexual agenda has served to mislead the masses again and again, and in some cases outright lie. Also, there is no proof that society is being unfair to homosexuals. When you refer to "homosexual marriage" as a violation of human rights -- this is a lie -- marriage is not a right. It is a privilege.
Just as driving is not a right. The government decides who to give that privilege to. 15 year olds are not discriminated against unjustly because government does not extend that privilege to them. The same with alcohol. The same with work visas. It is the right of the government alone to decide who to give these privileges to.

so just being in ahetereosexual relationship is the only requisite for marriage? (explains alot).

I suggest u look at the first post in the homphobia thread and rethink your statement. It is a fact that homjosexuals are discrimintaed against and their human right violated whether you chose to turn a blind eye to it or not.

Calling them rights only serves to undermine your own agenda.

so just being in ahetereosexual relationship is the only requisite for marriage? (explains alot).
I suggest u look at the first post in the homphobia thread and rethink your statement. It is a fact that homjosexuals are discrimintaed against and their human right violated whether you chose to turn a blind eye to it or not.


No. Being in a heterosexual relationship is not the only requirement for marriage. Many homosexuals marry a person of the opposite sex everday. There's also the issue of being a consenting adult of legal age and of sound mind. There are other requirements for a marriage to be legal and binding besides marrying a person of the opposite sex.

If we are discussing marriage -- then no, homosexuals are not discriminated against and their human rights are not violated.

No. Being in a heterosexual relationship is not the only requirement for marriage. Many homosexuals marry a person of the opposite sex everday. There's also the issue of being a consenting adult of legal age and of sound mind. There are other requirements for a marriage to be legal and binding besides marrying a person of the opposite sex.
If we are discussing marriage -- then no, homosexuals are not discriminated against and their human rights are not violated.

I think you're being more technical than you need to be...LOL...yes homosexual by law are allowed to marry (someone of the opposite sex), they are not allowed to marry their same-sex partner (which by the way is the issue here). I can understand both you and Winter choosing to think that marriage should be sacred (ya da ya da ya da) but the point still remains: Shouldnt homosexuals be given the same rights as married couples under law???

I think you're being more technical than you need to be...LOL...yes homosexual by law are allowed to marry (someone of the opposite sex), they are not allowed to marry their same-sex partner (which by the way is the issue here). I can understand both you and Winter choosing to think that marriage should be sacred (ya da ya da ya da) but the point still remains: Shouldnt homosexuals be given the same rights as married couples under law???


Heterosexuals don't have the right to marry a same sex partner, their pet or a family member. Homosexuals get the same treatment. This has already been established.

The fact that heterosexuals *WANT* to marry somebody of the opposite while homosexuals *WANT* to marry somebody of the same sex is a non-issue.

I want to be a millionaire. What I want is irrelevant however.

Dont yall know. These arguments are really not going to matter in the end.
Homosexual marriages are coming. They are coming here....they are coming there .... they are coming everywhere.....sooner or later. I dont mean that is a frightening prospect... only as a fact. Why. Because to put it quite simply ... it is the right thing to do. Legitimizing bigotry will only last so long. Eventually the bigots will be overcome. It really is that simple.
Same thing happened to the racist, and the sexists, and the segregationist.......etc. Patience i do have. and hate is a battle that bigots will always ultimately lose at....eventually.

Bet on it.

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"Gay Marriage Is Coming"
By Keith Boykin, in sexuality
Wednesday, June 7 2006, 10:51 AM

With the vote by the U.S. Senate today to kill the anti-gay "Marriage Protection Amendment," the handwriting is becoming clearer on the wall. Ultra conservative commentator Bill Bennett, who opposes marriage equality, all but conceded defeat last night in an unusual interview with "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart. "This debate is over," Bennett told Stewart. "Gay marriage is coming."

Although Bennett attributed the change to a few courts, Stewart was smart enough to contextualize the struggle for gay equality into the long history of oppression practiced by majorities against minorities in America. We went through this with slavery, with women's suffrage, and with so many other groups before, Stewart said. Each time conservatives complain that extending rights to another group of people who are locked out of the American dream will somehow ruin America, and each time the conservatives fail. At what point do they get tired of being on the wrong side of history?

Race Relations Provide An Example
That's not to say that change will be easy or quick. The history of America's race relations indicates a back-and-forth approach to equality. After hundreds of years of legalized slavery, the Constitution officially outlawed the importation of new slaves in the 19th Century and help accelerate what would be a 60-year struggle for abolition of slavery altogether. Even after Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, slavery continued in the U.S. until after the Civil War and after the ratification of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution in 1865.

From slavery we moved quickly to Reconstruction, an era that was supposed to help America rebuild and heal. Instead, it became a time for entrenched forces opposed to change to institute new Jim Crow laws that essentially made blacks into second-class citizens. When Congress tried to enact the Civil Rights Act of 1875, the U.S. Supreme Court threw it out as unconstitutional. The courts were never considered "activist" as long as they did the bidding of the right-wing forces of the status quo.

When the Supreme Court upheld segregation in Plessy v. Ferguson, it would be another 60 years before the nation's highest judicial body would change course in the now celebrated 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. And even then the country resisted integration for more than a dozen years. By the time the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, conservatives were already complaining that blacks had too many rights and wanted "special rights" and were guilty of "reverse discrimination" against presumably innocent whites.

The Language of Oppression
The language of oppression hasn't changed much in 40 years. The same now discredited arguments once used to justify racial discrimination are pulled from the grave and trotted out today to justify sexual orientation discrimination. But the day is coming to an end.

This morning, 48 senators, including 7 Republicans (Snowe, Collins, McCain, Sununu, Chafee, Gregg, Specter), essentially voted against the anti-gay constitutional amendment by voting on a procedural motion for "cloture." Only 49 senators, including 1 Democrat, voted in favor of such an amendment. That's a worse performance than the last time the amendment was introduced in the last election year. The amendment needed 2/3 of the senators to approve it, but the supporters couldn't even get a simple majority.

But that is not the end of the struggle. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. used to talk about the misperception that time was on our side. In fact, Dr. King pointed out in his letter from a Birmingham jail, time is actually neutral. It can be used for good or evil, for freedom or against it. It is what we do with time that matters.

Dont yall know. These arguments are really not going to matter in the end.
Homosexual marriages are coming. They are coming here....they are coming there .... they are coming everywhere.....sooner or later. I dont mean that is a frightening prospect... only as a fact. Why. Because to put it quite simply ... it is the right thing to do. Legitimizing bigotry will only last so long. Eventually the bigots will be overcome. It really is that simple.
Same thing happened to the racist, and the sexists, and the segregationist.......etc. Patience i do have. and hate is a battle that bigots will always ultimately lose at....eventually.
Bet on it.


1) If it comes to The Bahamas I know one thing that is a FACT
It will take years and years, so I hope you and Vic get some years left in ya because the Bahamian people is not having that, we don't do everything the states does...give us some credit
2) Parliament will be getting blow up...kudos to anyone who can tell me how :shhh:
3) Your argument doesn't work because as much as you think the debate between gays and straight is prejudice on our side it's not because gays will never be classed in the "real" groups of prejudice. Accept it and stop forcing your agenda on others.

1) If it comes to The Bahamas I know one thing that is a FACT
It will take years and years, so I hope you and Vic get some years left in ya because the Bahamian people is not having that, we don't do everything the states does...give us some credit
2) Parliament will be getting blow up...kudos to anyone who can tell me how :shhh:
3) Your argument doesn't work because as much as you think the debate between gays and straight is prejudice on our side it's not because gays will never be classed in the "real" groups of prejudice. Accept it and stop forcing your agenda on others.


:chicken: (the dove/chicken....just to keep on track :p )

Its coming winter....its coming its coming its coming. It simply is. It is prejudice no matter how you try to word it. And people are slow....and hard headed and ornery...etc... but change will come. In 5 years....in 10 years... in 50. But in the end. Equality will come.

They blew up alot of things to stop integration. Schools, churches, etc.... but it came. and this will come as well.

Change the word "equality" with "righteousness" or "apocalypse" -- sound awfully familiar.

The people wanting apocalypse to come are far more devoted than you. Tempt fate if you wish.

Change the word "equality" with "righteousness" or "apocalypse" -- sound awfully familiar.
The people wanting apocalypse to come are far more devoted than you. Tempt fate if you wish.


You want to change words. How about these ones

Major Rex wants people to come and support the movement to assist in a constitution which keeps the union of marriage people of the same race only. Whites can only marry whites and blacks can only marry blacks. It's this Sunday, August 27th at 6:30pm by Rawson Square. Bring your money.

.....mikki my friend....not so long ago....not so long ago

Change your perspective and you might change your mind.

Just to remind you.

http://www.belovedofgod.org/paper-interracialmarriage.html

...or maybe someone personal religion has no place in another persons personal life.

See how quickly the religious sword can be pointed in your direction.

You want to change words. How about these ones
Major Rex wants people to come and support the movement to assist in a constitution which keeps the union of marriage people of the same race only. Whites can only marry whites and blacks can only marry blacks. It's this Sunday, August 27th at 6:30pm by Rawson Square. Bring your money.
.....mikki my friend....not so long ago....not so long ago
Change your perspective and you might change your mind.


How about this:

Bahamasinmyheart wants people to come and support the movement to assist in a constitution which gays can marry. This union will only aid in the provision of not if but WHEN the homos get divcore or death occurs that the chinaware and life insurance money can be handed over to the proper spouse. DO NOT bring any prenap forms ONLY bring life insurance beneficiary grants.