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trubahamian
09-06-06, - 09:30 PM
Under which law. BTW: Laws are not equal, what I can do over here, I can't do in the US or some other country.I state again equality is a myth.


So is fairness.

Vicky
09-06-06, - 10:40 PM
I didn't mention sex.
You are grasping at straws.
Religion isn't imposing anything and government isn't imposing policy either. If you are so for the people -- why not let the people decide if they want to change their laws or not.


Some how I get the picture you and others don't see GLBT as human being that can love their partner and the only reason they are together is for sex. Am I wrong??

Because the majroity is not always right. Now are they???

Vicky
09-06-06, - 11:04 PM
Where is the miseducation of the benefits of homosexual marriage??
By the way -- right and fairness have no place in our legal system. There is legal and illegal. Right and fair are merely opinions. Legal and illegal are supposed to be objective and defining what's best for the society as a whole. This is why the civil rights movement was successful. This is also why "homosexual rights" have not been successful. I think you better check it out before you said this. http://www.ncsconline.org/WC/Publications/StateLinks/SamSexStateLinks.htm
The homosexual agenda has served to mislead the masses again and again, and in some cases outright lie. You on with this agenda stuff again... please post this agenda... Also, there is no proof that society is being unfair to homosexuals. When you refer to "homosexual marriage" as a violation of human rights -- this is a lie -- marriage is not a right. It is a privilege. Really...
Just as driving is not a right. The government decides who to give that privilege to. 15 year olds are not discriminated against unjustly because government does not extend that privilege to them. The same with alcohol. The same with work visas. It is the right of the government alone to decide who to give these privileges to.
Calling them rights only serves to undermine your own agenda.

Vicky
09-06-06, - 11:12 PM
No. Being in a heterosexual relationship is not the only requirement for marriage. Many homosexuals marry a person of the opposite sex everday. There's also the issue of being a consenting adult of legal age and of sound mind. There are other requirements for a marriage to be legal and binding besides marrying a person of the opposite sex.
If we are discussing marriage -- then no, homosexuals are not discriminated against and their human rights are not violated.

That right a homosexual can marry some one of the opposite sex, thus a homosexual can marry. Does not matter that they love someone else. Thats messed up wouldn't you say.
You can get married just not to the person you love. Wounder how many (of you) heterosexuals would be happy marrying someone (you) they did not love??

Vicky
09-06-06, - 11:21 PM
1) If it comes to The Bahamas I know one thing that is a FACT
It will take years and years, so I hope you and Vic get some years left in ya because the Bahamian people is not having that, we don't do everything the states does...give us some credit
2) Parliament will be getting blow up...kudos to anyone who can tell me how :shhh:
3) Your argument doesn't work because as much as you think the debate between gays and straight is prejudice on our side it's not because gays will never be classed in the "real" groups of prejudice. Accept it and stop forcing your agenda on others.

If you are referancing Equality as the Agenda so be it. But other than that please post this agenda...

Like I said people of my generation will see it here in the Bahamas.

Vicky
09-06-06, - 11:41 PM
I am not concerned about interracial marriages because there is no proof in the bible suggesting it is wrong. There is only one thing that confirms how a marriage should be 1) between a man and a woman But not all Bahamians live by the Bible much less all the Bible. Even you don't.
You say the "religious sword" can be turn in my direction. However, if you are a Christian and you believe in the Word of God...this "religious sword", some issues will pierce you like a sword because we are all human and imperfect....
Hebrews 4:12 But your religion is just that yours if you don't want to marry some one of the same sex because of your religion thats cool. But don't tell my brothers and sisters they can marry because of your religion.
12"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."
No one is immuned to the Word.

Only if you believe in it.

Vicky
09-06-06, - 11:45 PM
Vicky and dem doon believe in the same bible we do ya know!
With all of the crap and unreasonable rhetoric, they can't possibly believe the very same bible you and I do.
So, talking to them about the bible is useless.

Does not matter what Bible we believe in or don't. Now you are begining to understand.
You your self can't even live by the Bible so why should we.

Vicky
09-06-06, - 11:54 PM
....so while im not personally interested in getting married. I will fight against laws that seek to limit my personal freedoms based on your personal religious biases.

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Vicky
09-06-06, - 11:56 PM
:biggie: Dang fella quoting scriptures that says homosexuality is an abomination, trying to prove that homosexuality is not an abomination. :dgi: Bey when ya dumb ya dangerous.


Really where did it say that???

Vicky
09-06-06, - 11:59 PM
Uh? Do you really know why people affirm? Holmes the whole purpose of affirming is strictly religous. Boy I tell ya. Sips soda water.


When you affirm in court it is non religious promise to tell the truth.

Vicky
09-07-06, - 12:00 AM
So why is it yinna feel the need to get married again? :dgi:

who said I am getting married again.

WinterGrace
09-07-06, - 12:29 AM
My dear they once made it illegal for black people to own property, to vote, to live in certain neighborhoods, to marry white men and women, to sit in the front of the bus, to drink water from the same fountain, to play golf at the same public golf course, to go to the same school.
I dont want to marry a white man/woman.
I dont play golf.
I hate the busses in my city.
But i will fight for my right and yours to do any of those things.
....so while im not personally interested in getting married. I will fight against laws that seek to limit my personal freedoms based on your personal religious biases.


Ok, however, you still have the freedom (even though you may not use them) to walk with you boyfriend
to the water fountain
to the golf course
to the bus stop
to the mall
eat at a resturtant
go see a play

For me I would like to fight to keep marriage sacred between a man and a woman. You speak about freedom. I would like to have my freedom of religion intact, you call Christainity bias but it's only bias to you because you do not agree with it. Christainity is the religion that The Bahamas honors. This is not America...The Bahamas has not taken God out of schools, so your rantings about "religious biases" will not be honored because the majority of Bahamians still care about God.

Ting-um
09-07-06, - 08:31 AM
So …wow Mikki thats....uhh....thats pretty stupid.
1. Blackness is an identity … I happily claim it.
2. Blackness is more a social cultural identity than anything else. There is simple no reason scientific or religious why anyone could/should claim that there is anything wrong with two people of different races marrying.
3. More importantly who cares and what business is it of anyone to argue how their interpretation of the bible should be used to regulate who you love as an individual, white or black, or Asian, or Jewish…..or………….gay (boo!)
4. But I guess it would be hypocritical of you to make those arguments.
It is why I asked the question.



Actually you are stupid.

And it can be seen in your empty response. You don't have anything that actually presents a sensible rebuttal other than "blackness is an identity...I happily claim it". Well, I'm sorry. That painfully fails the test of logic.

Admit it, it won't matter how I answer your question. Your mind is made up. I can slap you all over this board with factual, sensible arguments. In the end you'll still dodge the truth. You'll still take it back to race. Basically, your tactic has put you into a corner and the only way you can get out of it is by retreating to the race card. Because you know that just as people aren't willing to fully accept homosexuality -- they are just as unwilling to accept the notion that the identity they so lovingly cling to is a farce.

Ting-um
09-07-06, - 08:33 AM
Some how I get the picture you and others don't see GLBT as human being that can love their partner and the only reason they are together is for sex. Am I wrong??
Because the majroity is not always right. Now are they???



Because you live in a fantasy world where what you see or pretend to see is the truth and everyone else looking at the same thing is crazy.

Ting-um
09-07-06, - 08:34 AM
That right a homosexual can marry some one of the opposite sex, thus a homosexual can marry. Does not matter that they love someone else. Thats messed up wouldn't you say.
You can get married just not to the person you love. Wounder how many (of you) heterosexuals would be happy marrying someone (you) they did not love??


Lots of people marry for reasons other than love.

You seem to love to post. Learn to consolidate. There is no reason why you should have 10 consecutive posts.