I do not understand the term "to deny equality" except being denied the traditional definition of "marriage" how are Homosexuals treated unequally? In America,because of Civil Union,they enjoy virtually every right and privilege a Heterosexual is entitled to.It is impossible to legislate acceptance or endearment.Some will always disagree or not like them,for moral,reliqious reasons.Just what is it they want?
I saw someone here post;A gay couple was denied an apartment.Totally illegal in the States,unless it is an owner occupied building.Shouldn't a live in landlord judge who they would want in their house?Is it the same here?:dgi:



It’s a good post with good questions. Your right we cannot legislate a persons personal likes or dislikes. And we shouldn’t. We can however legislate the parameters in which they choose to exercise or exhibit their likes or dislikes. But even more importantly (to me) we as a society can jointly decide what we feel is acceptable or unacceptable behavior. As a society we have (in the Bahamas) fought against racism and we. . .for the most part. . . .will collectively shout down those of us who exhibit racist behavior. Same with Sexism(again for the most part) we no longer just sit idly by and watch a woman be marginalized just because she is a woman (admittedly we still have a long way to go here). Im hoping that at some point the homophobes will also be drowned out by the rest of us who don’t share their particular disdain and open hate for someone different from them .....even if we don’t entirely agree or understand their “lifestyle”).

Homophobia and prejudice are the norm almost universally everywhere (large exceptions do exist and are becoming more and more prevalent….but remain the exception (as once was sexism and overt racism which still also exist). Im keeping my fingers crossed that the future is brighter and that all these unimportant classifications will loose their negative baggage.

A landlord in the states (laws vary) is a business person and they cannot not legally decide to deny someone the opportunity to rent their premises because they are gay, or black, or a Muslim, or Jewish , or disabled…. etc.

How are homosexuals treated unequally? Too many ways to list all here but let me give you just one example. I’ll use myself as a pseudo example. Me and my boyfriend of 4 years move into one of the numerous (majority) places where civil unions and/or marriage is denied us. So lets just assume we want to do everything any other relationship (permanent) would want to do. Buy a house and a car, open joint bank accounts. Get mortgages for the house. All these things are complicated by the fact that we are not legally recognized as a couple under law. Suppose one of us gets in car accident, falls ill to cancer…. The hospitals may not recognize or allow us to visit the other in the hospital....much less make the complicated decisions. Visiting limited to family members …etc.. suppose I should get hit by a car and die. Suppose his family or mine never recognized or believed in our relationship. Now at the funeral your not welcome. The house, the cars, the savings, even the forks and knives in the kitchen are all being carted away because according to law and his family…. You just a roommate and that stuff wasn’t really yours (as a couple) .. it was his, and yours separately. These can all be separately addressed with wills and powers of attorney and other complicated legal documents which are unnecessary for heterosexual relationships. Just an example of the unwarranted and unfair prejudice openly endorsed by people like wintergrace.

Im not particularly fond of conservative Christians (to put it lightly) too often their religion goes hand in hand with intolerance, corruption, lies, deceit and yes immoral conduct. So yes I have my own personal likes and dislikes. But how would she feel if I organized a protest to ban the idolatry and foolishness , corruption, and sin (in my opinion) of the religious right. Then came on BI and told you about how lovely ceremony was. The difference is I can respect her right to believe and think differently than I without preaching against her and openly lobbying to limit her freedoms and rights.

But I guess shes doing gods work.

It’s a good post with good questions. Your right we cannot legislate a persons personal likes or dislikes. And we shouldn’t. We can however legislate the parameters in which they choose to exercise or exhibit their likes or dislikes. But even more importantly (to me) we as a society can jointly decide what we feel is acceptable or unacceptable behavior. As a society we have (in the Bahamas) fought against racism and we. . .for the most part. . . .will collectively shout down those of us who exhibit racist behavior. Same with Sexism(again for the most part) we no longer just sit idly by and watch a woman be marginalized just because she is a woman (admittedly we still have a long way to go here). Im hoping that at some point the homophobes will also be drowned out by the rest of us who don’t share their particular disdain and open hate for someone different from them .....even if we don’t entirely agree or understand their “lifestyle”).

Homophobia and prejudice are the norm almost universally everywhere (large exceptions do exist and are becoming more and more prevalent….but remain the exception (as once was sexism and overt racism which still also exist). Im keeping my fingers crossed that the future is brighter and that all these unimportant classifications will loose their negative baggage.

A landlord in the states (laws vary) is a business person and they cannot not legally decide to deny someone the opportunity to rent their premises because they are gay, or black, or a Muslim, or Jewish , or disabled…. etc.

How are homosexuals treated unequally? Too many ways to list all here but let me give you just one example. I’ll use myself as a pseudo example. Me and my boyfriend of 4 years move into one of the numerous (majority) places where civil unions and/or marriage is denied us. So lets just assume we want to do everything any other relationship (permanent) would want to do. Buy a house and a car, open joint bank accounts. Get mortgages for the house. All these things are complicated by the fact that we are not legally recognized as a couple under law. Suppose one of us gets in car accident, falls ill to cancer…. The hospitals may not recognize or allow us to visit the other in the hospital....much less make the complicated decisions. Visiting limited to family members …etc.. suppose I should get hit by a car and die. Suppose his family or mine never recognized or believed in our relationship. Now at the funeral your not welcome. The house, the cars, the savings, even the forks and knives in the kitchen are all being carted away because according to law and his family…. You just a roommate and that stuff wasn’t really yours (as a couple) .. it was his, and yours separately. These can all be separately addressed with wills and powers of attorney and other complicated legal documents which are unnecessary for heterosexual relationships. Just an example of the unwarranted and unfair prejudice openly endorsed by people like wintergrace.

Im not particularly fond of conservative Christians (to put it lightly) too often their religion goes hand in hand with intolerance, corruption, lies, deceit and yes immoral conduct. So yes I have my own personal likes and dislikes. But how would she feel if I organized a protest to ban the idolatry and foolishness , corruption, and sin (in my opinion) of the religious right. Then came on BI and told you about how lovely ceremony was. The difference is I can respect her right to believe and think differently than I without preaching against her and openly lobbying to limit her freedoms and rights.

But I guess shes doing gods work.
Very interesting.I was under the impression civil unions were more the norm than not in the States"they are where I come from". Whether I or anyone else disagrees with homosexuality and a couple decides to be life partners...so be it.Your partner should be whomever you wish,regardless of whether anyone agrees with your lifestyle,providing it is a legal one.On the subject of a business discriminating on the basis of sexuality,race or religion? That can be very costly for the discriminator and rightfully so!

Agreed 100%. Thats one of the issues that these homos forget- they cannot procreate. So their lifestyle, if ulimately accepted, will result in the extinction of the human race!Its the abomination(homosexuality) that desolates (brings to nothingness), spoken about in the book of Daniel.:hammer:


how dumb:dgi: that's obviously assuming the entire population is homosexual. what as *****:eek: Giving gay people rights does not mean the extinction of the human race (howw ignorraanttttt :dunce: )

as a companion...God didnt "marry" Adam and Eve the institution of marriage is man-made.


I think you getting confused with institution of marriage and the wedding ceremony. The ceremony is more man-made with the white dress, the vile, the flowers, cake, etc etc. However, the institution of marriage is very much God-made. Marriage mirrors God's covenant relationship with His people. In the Old Testament God insisted that He was a husband to Israel. We see this parallel throughout the Bible. For instance, Jesus refers to Himself as the "bridegroom" and to the kingdom of heaven as a "wedding banquet." God did not create marriage just to give us a pleasant only. He planted marriage among humans as another sign pointing to His own eternal, spiritual existence.


But gay people exist in society now...(or am i the only one???)


If that was God's intentions for gay persons to marry and procreate, He would have done so in the beginning of time. However, the way how He designed the sex organs there was no way the human race would have lasted if same sex marriage prevailed. You are here now only because your mother and father came together and the human race gone a "head-start" from Adam and Eve!!!

Suppose one of us gets in car accident, falls ill to cancer…. The hospitals may not recognize or allow us to visit the other in the hospital....much less make the complicated decisions. Visiting limited to family members …etc.. suppose I should get hit by a car and die.


I think hospitals get a bum deal on this. Anyone, can visit that patient UNLESS the patient himself or herself states NO VISITORS. The hospital has no right denying anyone from visiting that patient, in fact, most of the doctors and nurses do not care or even notice the visitors. Every patient has rights to choose and if they want you to visit who can stop you, they tell the doctor they want someone to share in the decison-making process of their health and that person is you, who can stop you?? The beauty of living wills and power of attorney a person can name ANYONE and the law has nothing to say on that case.


Suppose his family or mine never recognized or believed in our relationship. Now at the funeral your not welcome.


You may get some ugly looks at the funeral but no one can stop you from attending the funeral...can they phyiscally remove you from the grounds???


The house, the cars, the savings, even the forks and knives in the kitchen are all being carted away because according to law and his family…. You just a roommate and that stuff wasn’t really yours (as a couple) .. it was his, and yours separately. These can all be separately addressed with wills and powers of attorney and other complicated legal documents which are unnecessary for heterosexual relationships.


The same thing happens if you are a live-in boyfriend or girlfriend....just get ya will in order.


Just an example of the unwarranted and unfair prejudice openly endorsed by people like wintergrace.


hmmm seems like I hit a nerve....prejudice is a very strong word, which I believe you intentionally used to paint me in a monsterous light, which of course you would use to your advantage. If I seem like an uncaring monster everything I say about this issue will be wrong. In no way, shape, or form is my stand on homosexuality causing any detriment or injury to you as a person. I do not have any hatred or bitterness for gays, I only believe that marriage should be kept between a man and a woman, that's my rights.


But how would she feel if I organized a protest to ban the idolatry and foolishness , corruption, and sin (in my opinion) of the religious right.


I would say go right ahead...when is the rally?? I would be right there. I feel strongly about all these things you mentioned and I ashame to admit that it is in the church as well. However, what can I do, this world is not perfect. The only thing I can do is stand against wrong and try to do right myself because I am not perfect. Do you think I sheild or protect ministers that I feel is doing wrong in the community? You didn't see me in the Randy Fraser thread eh??? I respect homosexuals as people, I do not use derogatory terms like sissy, batty-man, sweet boy, punk, soft boy, sugar in his step etc etc...but I do believe we need to respect the marriage of heterosexuals.


Then came on BI and told you about how lovely ceremony was.
The difference is I can respect her right to believe and think differently than I without preaching against her and openly lobbying to limit her freedoms and rights.


No one is trying to ban homosexuality or take your freedom, it's here. You are free to do almost anything that is legal. You have rights as a human being to food, water, shelter, safety and making your own choices. Marriage has always been for a man and a woman...heterosexuals would like to keep it that way, it's something sacred.

So you saying not having a marriage license makes you a second class citizen? You gotta be kidding me. BTW: Why dn't you give up yours as a form of protest,then you could EQUAL with ya buddies. :D

Not being able to have a legal union with the one you love and others can is discrimination simple not hard to understand.

I do not understand the term "to deny equality" except being denied the traditional definition of "marriage" how are Homosexuals treated unequally? In America,because of Civil Union,they enjoy virtually every right and privilege a Heterosexual is entitled to.It is impossible to legislate acceptance or endearment.Some will always disagree or not like them,for moral,reliqious reasons.Just what is it they want?
I saw someone here post;A gay couple was denied an apartment.Totally illegal in the States,unless it is an owner occupied building.Shouldn't a live in landlord judge who they would want in their house?Is it the same here?:dgi:
Their point is to tear down the fabric of society, first civil unions,then marriage, the changing of the school ciriculum,freedom of speech & association & the list goes on. Paul has already spoken about the reprobate mind and its recompense.These things must come to past so that the scripture (story for Rory & crew) :shhh: can be fulfilled.

SAY IT AINT SO!
I just got married myself, last month actually, to a beautiful woman. I love her to death. She is also a BI member(go figure).


congrats.

I went and it was lovely. It was well organised, beautiful stage, beautiful program. He had couples renew their vows to each other. Rev Rex Major was awesome, his speech hit major keys points of keeping marriage between a man and a woman only.
1) That's the purpose of God, His Order, he noted that when Adam was complete with naming the animal kingdom God notice that there was something still missing with Adam. God didn't choose an animal for Adam's company but He created a WOMAN for Adam. It is us man that created Steve for Adam. 2) God loves people, there is something billion amounts of us here, by having a man and man or woman and woman, the population would decline that's the reason why in the beginning God never created same sex to procreate. He also, mentioned that it is not his intent to make people feel like second-class citizens and the movement is in a loving way. His speech was hard-hitting but never once did he insult anyone.
Yes Perry was there, him and couple cabinet ministers looking all uncomfortable....Ron Pinder showed up :what: :biggie: :what: :biggie: :what:
Nice evening, peacfeul, it was a hit, Rawson was PACK
I almost forgot a tourist was sitting next to me taking notes mussie going to give them to Rosie eh...

Uh I would love to meet the Rex but to the point GLBT have been with humanity from the begining. If the Creator did not intend for it to be here it would not its that simple.
As for the procreation part of this post (his speach) he is missing the fact that GLBT have been here as long as humans have. Also using this same theory if same sex can't have marriage or legal union because they don't procreate then heterosexual couple that don't procreate should not be allowed to marry or have legal union.

Not being able to have a legal union with the one you love and others can is discrimination simple not hard to understand.
So you're discriminating against your own peeps then?

These things must come to past so that the scripture (story for Rory & crew) can be fulfilled.


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Agreed 100%. Thats one of the issues that these homos forget- they cannot procreate. So their lifestyle, if ulimately accepted, will result in the extinction of the human race!
Its the abomination(homosexuality) that desolates (brings to nothingness), spoken about in the book of Daniel.:hammer:

Explain how all these years with all the homosexuality since humanity began how is it human are over populating the earth.

Daniel 1:9
Now God had brought Daniel into favour and tender love with the prince of the eunuchs.

Prince is a male not female. I share tender love with my wife.

I do not understand the term "to deny equality" except being denied the traditional definition of "marriage" how are Homosexuals treated unequally? In America,This is not America now is it. because of Civil Union,they enjoy virtually every right and privilege a Heterosexual is entitled to.It is impossible to legislate acceptance or endearment.Some will always disagree or not like them,for moral,reliqious reasons.Just what is it they want? accepting someone is very different from protecting their rights as human beings.
I saw someone here post;A gay couple was denied an apartment.Totally illegal in the States,unless it is an owner occupied building.Shouldn't a live in landlord judge who they would want in their house?Is it the same here?:dgi:

No, GLBT have no protection under the laws of the Bahamas.

Uh I would love to meet the Rex but to the point GLBT have been with humanity from the begining. If the Creator did not intend for it to be here it would not its that simple.
As for the procreation part of this post (his speach) he is missing the fact that GLBT have been here as long as humans have. Also using this same theory if same sex can't have marriage or legal union because they don't procreate then heterosexual couple that don't procreate should not be allowed to marry or have legal union.


If God wanted homosexaulity union, he would create Adam and Steve but no He didn't He, Himself created ADAM AND EVE...it was man years after the creation decided to love man and man, remember after Adam fallen, God gave us freedom of choice but it was NOT God's orginal plan!!!!

You are missing the point, in the beginning, the way how God designed the human body only a man and a woman can procreate...hence the human race, if you had homosexuals only in the beginning there would be no race!!!! Of course we are here now because Adam and Eve started things off FIRST!!!! In the beginning there was no mention of homosexuals, I think around Noah days you first start hearing about it and that was years and years after creation and when you had thousands and thousands of people on the earth....by that time the earth was washed away and you started over again with guess what man and woman!!!!

I think hospitals get a bum deal on this. Anyone, can visit that patient UNLESS the patient himself or herself states NO VISITORS. The hospital has no right denying anyone from visiting that patient, in fact, most of the doctors and nurses do not care or even notice the visitors. Every patient has rights to choose and if they want you to visit who can stop you, they tell the doctor they want someone to share in the decison-making process of their health and that person is you, who can stop you?? The beauty of living wills and power of attorney a person can name ANYONE and the law has nothing to say on that case.


Assuming the patient is not in a coma or out from drugs and able to make their will known and the family is there and also willing to allow it and not block you. Not just a theoretical this happens.


You may get some ugly looks at the funeral but no one can stop you from attending the funeral...can they phyiscally remove you from the grounds???
The same thing happens if you are a live-in boyfriend or girlfriend....just get ya will in order.


Right….and I only meant it as to be an unwelcome barrier. People unwelcome at funerals all the time…. Sweethearts, sweethearts kids…..etc etc…


hmmm seems like I hit a nerve....prejudice is a very strong word, which I believe you intentionally used to paint me in a monsterous light, which of course you would use to your advantage. If I seem like an uncaring monster everything I say about this issue will be wrong. In no way, shape, or form is my stand on homosexuality causing any detriment or injury to you as a person. I do not have any hatred or bitterness for gays, I only believe that marriage should be kept between a man and a woman, that's my rights.


I respect what you believe but what does YOUR Christian faith have to do with my right to marry or not marry. YOUR religion is not the only religion in the world and you religions anti gay position does not mean the whole world should have to live by its standards. Atheist, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Budhist….ect…. all believe different things (or nothing at all) and what right do you have to prevent another that does not share you beliefs ….from getting married?


I would say go right ahead...when is the rally?? I would be right there. I feel strongly about all these things you mentioned and I ashame to admit that it is in the church as well. However, what can I do, this world is not perfect. The only thing I can do is stand against wrong and try to do right myself because I am not perfect. Do you think I sheild or protect ministers that I feel is doing wrong in the community? You didn't see me in the Randy Fraser thread eh??? I respect homosexuals as people, I do not use derogatory terms like sissy, batty-man, sweet boy, punk, soft boy, sugar in his step etc etc...but I do believe we need to respect the marriage of heterosexuals.


I wouldn’t rally. Because I believe you have the right to say what you want and think what you want. I also think the Klan has the right to say and think what they want. I just don’t want my political leaders and the communities moral leaders agreeing with that kind of hate and prejudice.


No one is trying to ban homosexuality or take your freedom, it's here. You are free to do almost anything that is legal. You have rights as a human being to food, water, shelter, safety and making your own choices. Marriage has always been for a man and a woman...heterosexuals would like to keep it that way, it's something sacred.


Its def sacred…I too believe that.....Wouldnt just get married on a lark......but your looking at it thru christian colored lens and now you want (demand) me to look at it that way also. Why must I?