If God wanted homosexaulity union, he would create Adam and Steve but no He didn't He, Himself created ADAM AND EVE...it was man years after the creation decided to love man and man, remember after Adam fallen, God gave us freedom of choice but it was NOT God's orginal plan!!!!I will repeat the story for you and may be you can clear it up as it seems you were there. The Creator created Adam the created Eve thats 2 humans. Now the had 2 sons Cain and Able that make 4 humans. Now Cain kills Able back down to 3 humans. Now Cain goes to the land of Nod and there he finds a wife what did he marry??? Oh and what Adam race was Adam?? As there are many races of human where did they come from?? Oh and please provide proof as we don't need to hear what you and others believe. People believe the world was flate and the moon was made of cheese.
You are missing the point, in the beginning, the way how God designed the human body only a man and a woman can procreate...hence the human race, if you had homosexuals only in the beginning there would be no race!!!! Of course we are here now because Adam and Eve started things off FIRST!!!!No you are missing the point I don't believe in the Adam and Eve story it just a story like Moby Dick. In the beginning there was no mention of homosexuals, I think around Noah days you first start hearing about it and that was years and years after creation and when you had thousands and thousands of people on the earth....by that time the earth was washed away and you started over again with guess what man and woman!!!!


Oh and guess what The Creator kept the GLBT even after the flood as we are still here. Are you trying to convince me and others The Creator is un able to create what The Creator wants???

I don't wanna start an argument. I just want him to see that as a gay person who probably feels slighted everytime someone says something out of the way no matter how innocent it may be, he should be able to relate to persons who feel that all they believe and stand for is being threatened. And all for something that is not even that important to the ones posing the threat.


what you talking about willis? :p

Im not that thin skinned or easily affected (if its me your referring too?)

Neither is winter. Shes a smart woman and she knows exactly what she is doing.. . . . .. . its not hard to see.

Marriage is no longer nor even primarily a religous ceremony.....even possibly less cared about nowadays than the ones that claim to be "threatened" (i very rarely hear god and religion mentioned in todays weddings....its all about the cake, the dresses....etc....) its disingenous of you to even pretend that marriage today is some bedrock of religious foundation. But what it remains is a deep expression of two peoples commitment to each other. Its also very presumptious of anyone to think they know what someone considers important or not ..... speaking for myself i consider the rights of anyone to marry who they love .....very important.

some of yall spend so much time worrying about gay people and trying to marginalize them and deny them the rights to marry....make me wonder if you have anything else positive going on in your lives? Just seems like yall are stuck in the mindset of prejudice and seem like its possible aint sh!t else going on in your lives.......i might be wrong. But too me it almost seems like you cant even help yourselves.....you see gay people in your sleep (nightmares?) does it upset your stomach and ruin you day to think of two adults you dont know living their lives as free gay adults without your two cents of hate? :eek:

Two grown men eating dinner in their house together.... BOOOOOOO!!:what:

Most of us dont bite.

Its really a strange thing. Im convinced there must be some deep rooted unhappiness in the lives of those that seem preoccupied with it (not talking about the casual commentator ... or occasional homophobe that drops in)...those are problems of a different nature. Im talking about the diehards.

Gay guy dancing in a club! BOOOOOO!

two gals swimming at the beach! eeeeeek!

gay people in love!! omg the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!! run winter (forest) run!!!!

:board2:

I think hospitals get a bum deal on this. Anyone, can visit that patient UNLESS the patient himself or herself states NO VISITORS. The hospital has no right denying anyone from visiting that patient, in fact, most of the doctors and nurses do not care or even notice the visitors. Every patient has rights to choose and if they want you to visit who can stop you, they tell the doctor they want someone to share in the decison-making process of their health and that person is you, who can stop you?? The beauty of living wills and power of attorney a person can name ANYONE and the law has nothing to say on that case. Ahh you have answered the questions. If a wife lay in a hospital who answers for her if there is no living will and no one with power of attorney. Here let me help you her husband as he is the legal next of kin. Now what if a woman lays in hospital who answers for her the woman who she has lived with and loved for (lets say) 15 years or someone else.
I know of a caes where a father was refused access to his son when he was shot 2 times by a home intruder with a 12 ga. shot gun. It was cleared up by the next day but it did not look like he would live that long. So for what looked like his sons last moments on here his father was denied access. Yet his cousin was allowed in. It a longer story but I know it for a fact as I was there the man shot was my cousin and his Dad was my uncle. I was not the cousin allowed in but you can believe I was part of the solution.
You may get some ugly looks at the funeral but no one can stop you from attending the funeral...This is true you can alway stand in the backround or just out side as they burry the person you have loved and lived with for years. can they phyiscally remove you from the grounds???
The same thing happens if you are a live-in boyfriend or girlfriend....just get ya will in order. There are many things a will does not answer and it can be contested in a court. A legal union can't
hmmm seems like I hit a nerve....prejudice is a very strong word, which I believe you intentionally used to paint me in a monsterous light, which of course you would use to your advantage. If I seem like an uncaring monster everything I say about this issue will be wrong. In no way, shape, or form is my stand on homosexuality causing any detriment or injury to you as a person. I do not have any hatred or bitterness for gays, I only believe that marriage should be kept between a man and a woman, that's my rights. fine keep marriage just give the same rights to all couples that seek non (so called) christian marriage. Call it what ever you want but you can't force your christian views on people is that someting Jesus would do??
I would say go right ahead...when is the rally?? I would be right there. I feel strongly about all these things you mentioned and I ashame to admit that it is in the church as well. However, what can I do, this world is not perfect. The only thing I can do is stand against wrong and try to do right myself because I am not perfect. Do you think I sheild or protect ministers that I feel is doing wrong in the community? You didn't see me in the Randy Fraser thread eh??? I respect homosexuals as people, I do not use derogatory terms like sissy, batty-man, sweet boy, punk, soft boy, sugar in his step etc etc...but I do believe we need to respect the marriage of heterosexuals.
No one is trying to ban homosexuality or take your freedom, it's here. You are free to do almost anything that is legal. You have rights as a human being to food, water, shelter, safety and making your own choices. Marriage has always been for a man and a woman...heterosexuals would like to keep it that way, it's something sacred.

Here is where you are worng many of the native American tribes had/have same sex marriage. Even christians had/have same sex unions. Greeks Romans and so on have same sex unions.
Hope this one does not hurt to much
http://www.drizzle.com/~slmndr/salamandir/pubs/irishtimes/opt3.htm
http://www.ashe-prem.org/five/duffy.shtml

some of yall spend so much time worrying about gay people and trying to marginalize them and deny them the rights to marry....make me wonder if you have anything else positive going on in your lives? Just seems like yall are stuck in the mindset of prejudice and seem like its possible aint sh!t else going on in your lives.......i might be wrong. But too me it almost seems like you cant even help yourselves.....you see gay people in your sleep (nightmares?) does it upset your stomach and ruin you day to think of two adults you dont know living their lives as free gay adults without your two cents of hate? :eek:
Two grown men eating dinner in their house together.... BOOOOOOO!!:what:
Most of us dont bite.
Its really a strange thing. Im convinced there must be some deep rooted unhappiness in the lives of those that seem preoccupied with it (not talking about the casual commentator ... or occasional homophobe that drops in)...those are problems of a different nature. Im talking about the diehards.
Gay guy dancing in a club! BOOOOOO!
two gals swimming at the beach! eeeeeek!
gay people in love!! omg the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!! run winter (forest) run!!!!
:board2:

LOL .. dont worry, when i walk in some churches round here the windows start opening and closing and the doors is be slammin ... old women start crying looking at the ceiling .. "lawd da devil here da devil here" ..

i'm like "where? where?" and duck down in fear ... :dancer2:

some of yall spend so much time worrying about gay people and trying to marginalize them and deny them the rights to marry....make me wonder if you have anything else positive going on in your lives? Just seems like yall are stuck in the mindset of prejudice and seem like its possible aint sh!t else going on in your lives.......i might be wrong. But too me it almost seems like you cant even help yourselves.....you see gay people in your sleep (nightmares?) does it upset your stomach and ruin you day to think of two adults you dont know living their lives as free gay adults without your two cents of hate? :eek:
Two grown men eating dinner in their house together.... BOOOOOOO!!:what:
Most of us dont bite.
Its really a strange thing. Im convinced there must be some deep rooted unhappiness in the lives of those that seem preoccupied with it (not talking about the casual commentator ... or occasional homophobe that drops in)...those are problems of a different nature. Im talking about the diehards.
Gay guy dancing in a club! BOOOOOO!
two gals swimming at the beach! eeeeeek!
gay people in love!! omg the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!! run winter (forest) run!!!!
:board2:

Now you made my night I having a good laugh of this post. :shaky: :shaky: :shaky: :shaky: :shaky: :shaky: I like the forest on the best. Hope she likes chocolates.

I will repeat the story for you and may be you can clear it up as it seems you were there. The Creator created Adam the created Eve thats 2 humans. Now the had 2 sons Cain and Able that make 4 humans. Now Cain kills Able back down to 3 humans. Now Cain goes to the land of Nod and there he finds a wife what did he marry??? Oh and what Adam race was Adam?? As there are many races of human where did they come from??


The bible never gives us numbers, it only says that Eve gave birth to Cain and the later to Abel. There is no indication to time or numbers. There could have been other children years apart, Eve could have been 90 giving birth to Cain and Abel. We only assuming that there were 4 humans.
Also, the bible never said that Cain found his wife in the Land of Nod, it said he went to live Gen 4:16.

Now we are drifting away from my orginal point which is if God wanted two man and two woman to be in union at the beginning He would have made provisions for this, instead He didn't. He created a SUITABLE partner for ADAM....EVE NOT STEVE!!!!


Oh and guess what The Creator kept the GLBT even after the flood as we are still here. Are you trying to convince me and others The Creator is un able to create what The Creator wants???


God never created GLBT, don't you see His pattern, His order??? MAN and WOMAN started the game off. In the bible God never honor homosexuals, that's not what He created, if He wanted He would created two men, two women and then one man or one woman...He never does this...you don't see His pattern??? It is man that created GLBT, it was man's idea. Of course you would only see what your eyes tell you to see.

some of yall spend so much time worrying about gay people and trying to marginalize them and deny them the rights to marry....make me wonder if you have anything else positive going on in your lives? Just seems like yall are stuck in the mindset of prejudice and seem like its possible aint sh!t else going on in your lives.......i might be wrong. But too me it almost seems like you cant even help yourselves.....you see gay people in your sleep (nightmares?) does it upset your stomach and ruin you day to think of two adults you dont know living their lives as free gay adults without your two cents of hate? :eek:
Two grown men eating dinner in their house together.... BOOOOOOO!!:what:
Most of us dont bite.
Its really a strange thing. Im convinced there must be some deep rooted unhappiness in the lives of those that seem preoccupied with it (not talking about the casual commentator ... or occasional homophobe that drops in)...those are problems of a different nature. Im talking about the diehards.
Gay guy dancing in a club! BOOOOOO!
two gals swimming at the beach! eeeeeek!
gay people in love!! omg the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!! run winter (forest) run!!!!
:board2:


Obviously YOU are the one who don't have much in your life to do...YOU are the one late at night posting threads attacking me for my beliefs while I sleep.

I don't think much on homosexuals and their lives but obviously YOU think much on what I think

YOU are the one accusing me of prejudice, mind you I never accused you of anything, I could have disrespect you, I could have made a mockery of you but I am bigger than that, I discuss issues and I don't add on Hollywood draumas to detour the issue at hand.

LOL .. dont worry, when i walk in some churches round here the windows start opening and closing and the doors is be slammin ... old women start crying looking at the ceiling .. "lawd da devil here da devil here" ..
i'm like "where? where?" and duck down in fear ... :dancer2:


LOl :p

Now you made my night I having a good laugh of this post. :shaky: :shaky: :shaky: :shaky: :shaky: :shaky: I like the forest on the best. Hope she likes chocolates.


good....it was meant to be fun :p

Obviously YOU are the one who don't have much in your life to do...YOU are the one late at night posting threads attacking me for my beliefs while I sleep.
I don't think much on homosexuals and their lives but obviously YOU think much on what I think
YOU are the one accusing me of prejudice, mind you I never accused you of anything, I could have disrespect you, I could have made a mockery of you but I am bigger than that, I discuss issues and I don't add on Hollywood draumas to detour the issue at hand.


Your no different than the white separatist who peacefully prays at the cross burnings in the woods with his boys. No different than the bigots who gather in the woods to discuss the evils of integration and affirmative action and the moral decay of the fabric of society due to "the coloreds". Like them you also are not directly confrontational. That however does not lessen the wickedness of your intent and your message. You’re free to do that. Just as they are. Im not attacking your right to believe what you want. Im attacking your message. Just as your not attacking me......your attacking my ability to live as equally and to enjoy the same right as you do. Just because you dress it up in religion doesnt make it any less so an attack. (some would argue it makes it worse).

The bible never gives us numbers, it only says that Eve gave birth to Cain and the later to Abel. There is no indication to time or numbers. There could have been other children years apart, Eve could have been 90 giving birth to Cain and Abel. We only assuming that there were 4 humans.
Also, the bible never said that Cain found his wife in the Land of Nod, it said he went to live Gen 4:16.
Genesis 4:16-17 (King James Version)
16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
You have to read more than just on verse.
Now we are drifting away from my orginal point which is if God wanted two man and two woman to be in union at the beginning He would have made provisions for this, instead He didn't. He created a SUITABLE partner for ADAM....EVE NOT STEVE!!!!It is only a story just becauce you believ it does not make it truth. As I said before people used to believe the world was flat as well
God never created GLBT, Then where did we (GLBT) come from?? How is it there are outward visable signs that humans are not just born fitting your so called ideal male or female?
Are you saying the Creator did/could not create perfection?
Are you saying the Creator did not know the future when creating humanity??? don't you see His pattern, His order??? MAN and WOMAN started the game off. In the bible God never honor homosexuals, that's not what He created, if He wanted He would created two men, two women and then one man or one woman...He never does this...you don't see His pattern??? It is man that created GLBT, it was man's idea. Of course you would only see what your eyes tell you to see.

Here is another creation story.
http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~ladelia/INTREL243/CH2%20Oral/navajo_creation_story.htm
First Man and First Woman had 5 sets of twins. The first 4 pairs of children were male and female, and married and had children. The last pair were known as the hermaphrodite twins. They did not marry and had no children, but contributed to society by their artistic creations (pottery, baskets) and other activities, so they were very much valued.

Oh and please note it does not sat they could not marry. A shaman I met a few years ago told me that GLBT and their partners are respected and valued as any couple. There is even a ceremony where a boy can choose to live as a women.

if homosexuality becomes accpeted will you suddenly become homosexual....lets not be silly here...the human race is made up of both homosexuals and heterosexuals been that way for a long time and will continue to be that way

So you don't agree that there are more Homos today than say 20yrs ago?

I think so!

You see, and this is strictly my opinion, besides the so-called "born homos", like Vicky claims exsist, there are MANY who only got into that "lifestyle" for financial reasons! Such as promotion on the job(especially in the Banking and Hotel industry), material possessions such jewelery, cars, the fancy clothes and of course, cold hard cash!

Now these materialistic homos, as I call them are the ones who will cause this abomination to spread like wildfire. Cause if this "lifestyle" becomes socialally accepted, then the young people, who are already warped by BET, VH1, and the bling bling, who don't wanna WORK to achieve these things, are becoming "victims" to these "seasoned" Homos who take advantage of their innocence and youth!

Its happening in the schools NOW, so tell me I lie!

how dumb:dgi: that's obviously assuming the entire population is homosexual. what as *****:eek: Giving gay people rights does not mean the extinction of the human race (howw ignorraanttttt :dunce: )

So your back, STILL NOT READING I SEE.

I am sure there is a line in that sentence that states " IF ULTIMATELY ACCEPTED"!

congrats.

THANKS!