some of yall spend so much time worrying about gay people and trying to marginalize them and deny them the rights to marry....make me wonder if you have anything else positive going on in your lives? Just seems like yall are stuck in the mindset of prejudice and seem like its possible aint sh!t else going on in your lives.......i might be wrong. But too me it almost seems like you cant even help yourselves.....you see gay people in your sleep (nightmares?) does it upset your stomach and ruin you day to think of two adults you dont know living their lives as free gay adults without your two cents of hate? :eek:
Two grown men eating dinner in their house together.... BOOOOOOO!!:what:
Most of us dont bite.
Its really a strange thing. Im convinced there must be some deep rooted unhappiness in the lives of those that seem preoccupied with it (not talking about the casual commentator ... or occasional homophobe that drops in)...those are problems of a different nature. Im talking about the diehards.
Gay guy dancing in a club! BOOOOOO!
two gals swimming at the beach! eeeeeek!
gay people in love!! omg the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!! run winter (forest) run!!!!
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:biggie:

what you talking about willis? :p
Im not that thin skinned or easily affected (if its me your referring too?)
Neither is winter. Shes a smart woman and she knows exactly what she is doing.. . . . .. . its not hard to see.
Marriage is no longer nor even primarily a religous ceremony.....even possibly less cared about nowadays than the ones that claim to be "threatened" (i very rarely hear god and religion mentioned in todays weddings....its all about the cake, the dresses....etc....) its disingenous of you to even pretend that marriage today is some bedrock of religious foundation. But what it remains is a deep expression of two peoples commitment to each other. Its also very presumptious of anyone to think they know what someone considers important or not ..... speaking for myself i consider the rights of anyone to marry who they love .....very important.

DA DEVIL IS A LIAR!

Oh how the weak are so easily deceived!

Despite what Vicky believes, Adam and Eve were the first married couple. Marriage IS RELIGIOUS. It was created and ordained by God. He performed the first ceremony! Genesis 2:22-25. If that wasn't a marriage ceremony, I don't know what is. Sure there was no cake, photos,etc., but it was just the same.

The devil wants "modern people" to believe that marriage "today" has nothing to do with God or religion, cause once you take God out of it, then you can bring anything and anyone into it!

what you talking about willis? :p
Im not that thin skinned or easily affected (if its me your referring too?)
Neither is winter. Shes a smart woman and she knows exactly what she is doing.. . . . .. . its not hard to see.
Marriage is no longer nor even primarily a religous ceremony.....even possibly less cared about nowadays than the ones that claim to be "threatened" (i very rarely hear god and religion mentioned in todays weddings....its all about the cake, the dresses....etc....) its disingenous of you to even pretend that marriage today is some bedrock of religious foundation. But what it remains is a deep expression of two peoples commitment to each other. Its also very presumptious of anyone to think they know what someone considers important or not ..... speaking for myself i consider the rights of anyone to marry who they love .....very important.


Firstly marriage is a bedrock of religious foundation, it is one of the sacraments in Christianity and is held as sacred. The fact that you hear more about dresses and cakes has nothing to do with that. The only time that I ever felt that I might ever faint was at my wedding and it had nothing to do with any cake. It had to do with the serious covenant that I was making in the eyes of God.

Secondly I am not being presumptuous or assuming about what you feel is important. You said, and I quote ....


agreed 100%. I think you have pretty much summed it up.

Im talking about Marriage as a symbolic ceremony of two peoples devotion to each other (and the legal benefits and requirements that attach).


All those things can be achieved through a Civil Union that carries the same legal rights as marriage. It would be far easier and meet far less resistance if gays and lesbians that truly wanted to be together to lobby for this new institution to be created. The fact that you are so adamant to not only perform a religious ceremony in a way far differently than it was intended but to also redefine that ceremony shows that your zeal and quest for equality, acceptance and respect has led to your treating others in an inequitable manner, not accepting them and their beliefs and showing disrespect for the things they hold sacred.

As I said before I do not wish to argue, what I do want is for you and any other gay lesbian or transgendered person reading this to think about how you feel when you are disrespected and your beliefs stepped on. That is what you are doing to the Christian faith and for no good reason.

So you don't agree that there are more Homos today than say 20yrs ago?
I think so!
You see, and this is strictly my opinion, besides the so-called "born homos", like Vicky claims exsist, there are MANY who only got into that "lifestyle" for financial reasons! Such as promotion on the job(especially in the Banking and Hotel industry), material possessions such jewelery, cars, the fancy clothes and of course, cold hard cash!
Now these materialistic homos, as I call them are the ones who will cause this abomination to spread like wildfire. Cause if this "lifestyle" becomes socialally accepted, then the young people, who are already warped by BET, VH1, and the bling bling, who don't wanna WORK to achieve these things, are becoming "victims" to these "seasoned" Homos who take advantage of their innocence and youth!
Its happening in the schools NOW, so tell me I lie!


:gi:

ok....somone else jump in here with this one.

Firstly marriage is a bedrock of religious foundation, it is one of the sacraments in Christianity and is held as sacred. The fact that you hear more about dresses and cakes has nothing to do with that. The only time that I ever felt that I might ever faint was at my wedding and it had nothing to do with any cake. It had to do with the serious covenant that I was making in the eyes of God.
Secondly I am not being presumptuous or assuming about what you feel is important. You said, and I quote ....


I agree that marriage has its foundation in religion. But it is now a legal ceremony. You can be married by a justice of the peace, and elvis impersonator and or a priest if you desire. A lot of things are rooted in religion that have moved beyond their original intent. Straight people of different religions or no religions at all are married all the time…….where is the outrage and protest about that. There is none…..the outrage in this case is targeted to gays….and its because they are gay.
Why should we accept some compromised definition of marriage to please one set of one religion that doesn’t agree. Whats religion got to do with law. Is it 2006?

About the presumptuous part I was responding to this which was cryptic but seem to say that marriage was unimportant to me:


I don't wanna start an argument. I just want him to see that as a gay person who probably feels slighted everytime someone says something out of the way no matter how innocent it may be, he should be able to relate to persons who feel that all they believe and stand for is being threatened. And all for something that is not even that important to the ones posing the threat.


so maybe I misunderstood?


All those things can be achieved through a Civil Union that carries the same legal rights as marriage. It would be far easier and meet far less resistance if gays and lesbians that truly wanted to be together to lobby for this new institution to be created. The fact that you are so adamant to not only perform a religious ceremony in a way far differently than it was intended but to also redefine that ceremony shows that your zeal and quest for equality, acceptance and respect has led to your treating others in an inequitable manner, not accepting them and their beliefs and showing disrespect for the things they hold sacred.
As I said before I do not wish to argue, what I do want is for you and any other gay lesbian or transgendered person reading this to think about how you feel when you are disrespected and your beliefs stepped on. That is what you are doing to the Christian faith and for no good reason.


Let me repeat. Your marriage was a religious ceremony to you and your spouse. The two Jewish people who were married had a different religious ceremony, as did the Buddhist and the Hindu who were married, the two atheist that were married had a different kind of ceremony, all were straight, all were married, all had different understandings and beliefs about religion... no one cared. Now the two gays were married……why now all of a sudden does YOUR religious beliefs have any input or meaning in MY marriage ceremony.

Its hard to read someone ones tone and such in a letter…..although I am adamant and firm in my opinions…..this is not an argument, I appreciate and respect your opinions…..and I think such dialogue is always a good thing. Even if we disagree.

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ok....somone else jump in here with this one.
Well......I have long believed there are two distinct groups of Homosexuals.There are those with unbalanced hormones,that really can't help who they are,then there are the fashionable followers of the Homosexual lifetsyle.In my life I have observed both groups and may I add?Genuine Homosexuals do not try to push their lifestyle on anyone,adults or children.It is the fashionable,person that adopts Homosexuality that engages in that.VH1 and BET haven't done much to constructively enrich the minds of our children and I do not feel kids need to be taught alternative lifestyles until they are old enough to realize the consequences of adopting them. Just my observations and opinions.:)

Agreed 100%. Thats one of the issues that these homos forget- they cannot procreate. So their lifestyle, if ulimately accepted, will result in the extinction of the human race!
Its the abomination(homosexuality) that desolates (brings to nothingness), spoken about in the book of Daniel.:hammer:


sigh.

please argue with facts, not with context that supports your own personal persuasion.

The Gay Animal Kingdom
The effeminate sheep & other problems with Darwinian sexual selection.
by Jonah Lehrer • Posted June 7, 2006
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php?page=all&p=y
From the JUN/JUL 2006 issue of Seed

Joan Roughgarden thinks Charles Darwin made a terrible mistake. Not about natural selection—she's no bible-toting creationist—but about his other great theory of evolution: sexual selection. According to Roughgarden, sexual selection can't explain the homosexuality that's been documented in over 450 different vertebrate species. This means that same-sex sexuality—long disparaged as a quirk of human culture—is a normal, and probably necessary, fact of life. By neglecting all those gay animals, she says, Darwin misunderstood the basic nature of heterosexuality.

sigh.
please argue with facts, not with context that supports your own personal persuasion.
The Gay Animal Kingdom
The effeminate sheep & other problems with Darwinian sexual selection.
by Jonah Lehrer • Posted June 7, 2006
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php?page=all&p=y
From the JUN/JUL 2006 issue of Seed
Joan Roughgarden thinks Charles Darwin made a terrible mistake. Not about natural selection—she's no bible-toting creationist—but about his other great theory of evolution: sexual selection. According to Roughgarden, sexual selection can't explain the homosexuality that's been documented in over 450 different vertebrate species. This means that same-sex sexuality—long disparaged as a quirk of human culture—is a normal, and probably necessary, fact of life. By neglecting all those gay animals, she says, Darwin misunderstood the basic nature of heterosexuality.

You people would believe anything some crack head write!

How can you justify or even try to explain homosexual behaviour in beasts of the earth with that of human beings!

God gave us a brain(other animals have brains also so -yes) but the human being is capable of cognitive thought, the ability to know right from wrong. I don't think like the beasts of the earth.

Just cause I see a male dog trying hump another male dog doesn't mean that maybe its Ok or natural. Its just means that he is a horny dog who doesn't know any better!

So my dear if you justify the unnatural act of homosexuality between human beings as being OK just because animals seem to do it naturally in the wild, then maybe you need to go live them. Take Vicky with you too, cause she talkin the same crap.

Well......I have long believed there are two distinct groups of Homosexuals.There are those with unbalanced hormones,that really can't help who they are,then there are the fashionable followers of the Homosexual lifetsyle.In my life I have observed both groups and may I add?Genuine Homosexuals do not try to push their lifestyle on anyone,adults or children.It is the fashionable,person that adopts Homosexuality that engages in that.VH1 and BET haven't done much to constructively enrich the minds of our children and I do not feel kids need to be taught alternative lifestyles until they are old enough to realize the consequences of adopting them. Just my observations and opinions.:)

:uh:

DA DEVIL IS A LIAR!
Oh how the weak are so easily deceived!
Despite what Vicky believes, Adam and Eve were the first married couple. Marriage IS RELIGIOUS. I never said marriage was not religious and if the people of religions want to keep it that way so be it. But what of the people not of religion should they not have the same rights as people of religion. All are citizens of their countries. And better which religion should have the last say? How many people must be killed in the name of religion so that people will say we must stop killing. It was created and ordained by God. He performed the first ceremony! Genesis 2:22-25. If that wasn't a marriage ceremony, I don't know what is. Sure there was no cake, photos,etc., but it was just the same.
The devil wants "modern people" to believe that marriage "today" has nothing to do with God or religion, cause once you take God out of it, then you can bring anything and anyone into it!

Sorry you feel that way but if you look at marriage today it does not mean much to many people. (and right now its only heterosexuals)
But the union of love is as important to GLBT as it is to str8s and when 2 people plan to share theirs lives together it should be legally recognized and not just for str8 folk but all people.
After all how would you feel if a religious group said you can't marry(for lack of a better word) who you love??

Genesis 2:22-25 (King James Version)
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

sounds like cloning and they would be of the same genes how many wives are the same genes as their husbands.hhhmmm

Your no different than the white separatist who peacefully prays at the cross burnings in the woods with his boys. No different than the bigots who gather in the woods to discuss the evils of integration and affirmative action and the moral decay of the fabric of society due to "the coloreds". Like them you also are not directly confrontational. That however does not lessen the wickedness of your intent and your message. You’re free to do that. Just as they are. Im not attacking your right to believe what you want. Im attacking your message. Just as your not attacking me......your attacking my ability to live as equally and to enjoy the same right as you do. Just because you dress it up in religion doesnt make it any less so an attack. (some would argue it makes it worse).

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So my dear if you justify the unnatural act of homosexuality between human beings as being OK just because animals seem to do it naturally in the wild, then maybe you need to go live them. Take Vicky with you too, cause she talkin the same crap.


to the contrary, i was merely refuting your wild claims that homosexuality was going to end life as we know it, by citing scientific examples from nature, period:biggie: ... now there's a concept. just because YOU disagree with someone else's lifestyle, choice of meal, religious persuasion doesn't mean that everyone's going to agree with you, you know. just change the channel.

to the contrary, i was merely refuting your wild claims that homosexuality was going to end life as we know it, by citing scientific examples from nature, period:biggie: ... now there's a concept. just because YOU disagree with someone else's lifestyle, choice of meal, religious persuasion doesn't mean that everyone's going to agree with you, you know. just change the channel.


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it really is that simple! Nice post.

So you don't agree that there are more Homos today than say 20yrs ago?
I think so! The only differance percentage wise is there are less GLBT willing to live a lie to make you feel happy with your life.
You see, and this is strictly my opinion, besides the so-called "born homos", like Vicky claims exsist, there are MANY who only got into that "lifestyle" for financial reasons! Such as promotion on the job(especially in the Banking and Hotel industry), material possessions such jewelery, cars, the fancy clothes and of course, cold hard cash! So you are saying you will have homosexual sex for wealth??
Sorry I am Tg and there is nothing that can make me want to have sex with a male. There are heterosexual prostatutes as well as homosexual. How many girls are doing the same thing and there are more of them now than 20 years ago.
Now these materialistic homos, as I call them are the ones who will cause this abomination to spread like wildfire. Cause if this "lifestyle" becomes socialally accepted, then the young people, who are already warped by BET, VH1, and the bling bling, who don't wanna WORK to achieve these things, are becoming "victims" to these "seasoned" Homos who take advantage of their innocence and youth!
Its happening in the schools NOW, so tell me I lie!

So your back, STILL NOT READING I SEE.
I am sure there is a line in that sentence that states " IF ULTIMATELY ACCEPTED"!

So you are saying that if GLBT are ULTIMATELY ACCEPTED you would have homosexual sex and stop having heterosexual sex??