I think she trying to tell you that you need to accept Christianity as it is.Accept yourself for who you are and not only will most folks accept you.You will no longer have the need to twist the bible to suit your special needs.:angel: Ya know....I really think many of us here have a higher opinion of you den you have of yourself,we know life must not be easy for you and admire your courage.:)


Thank you.
Accept it as it is or leave it...God gave you freedom of choice but don't look down on me because I believe different from you or force me to accept you. Don't try to change my views to suit yours, this whole time I been debating what I believe marriage should remain...that's my view, that's my right.

You can call me whatever you want, think of me whatever you think but that will still never, never ever change the FACTS that is written in the bible. You CAN NOT deny the FACT that GOD created ADAM AND EVE...MAN AND WOMAN. It doesn't matter how hard you try to compare yourself to groups such as women, blacks and the disabled it will never be the same because race, gender and impairment relates to what a person is, homosexuality relates to what a person does...that's a major, major DIFFERENCE.
The difference you and I have is that we don't have the same believe in the importance of marriage.
I see marriage as sacred. It's created by God as a loyal partnership between one man and one woman, its the firmest foundation for building a family, it mirrors God's covenant relationship with His people. It provides the couple the ability for partnership, spiritual intimacy and the ability to pursue God together.
You, however, see it as convenience where the insurance company knows who to make out the cheque to if someone passes and who's place the forks and knives go to if there is a separation...I got that from a post when someone asked you about marriage and why is it needed for homosexuals.
So, do not preach to me about how you believe my message is wicked and evil when your intentions are filthy as a rat coming out of a cesspit spreading disease.
Don't get it twisted. I am not dressing anything, I am not hiding anything, I believe what I believe about marriage because of Christianity, it's straight forward, there is no hidden agenda. You are trying to put me in a class of hate mongers in order to get sympathy, to cry the victim, but cry all you want it only looks ugly to you because it is not what you believe and want, it will never change the fact.


Perfect example of the christian rights inability to respect other peoples religions and opinions. I dont care what your bible says (or your Koran, or book of mormon, or ancient druidic scripture...etc..). Why do you continue to insist on forcing your personal religious opinions onto me. This is the problem with you christian right wingers.... its not enough to be able to be free to believe what you want...(by all means go ahead)..the problem is that you want everyone to live by your religions rules (laws) even if we dont share in your beliefs.

:bye:

Hmmmm ... all this stress over a book ... :voodoo:
and when did god become a "he"? Discrimination i tell yah!! (jkiddin!!) :escape:

Anyways, im not into the whole born again thing, but i do see a point that the "christian" mariage is between a man and a women .. so essentially changing the marriage for a man to marry a man, woman to marry a woman, at least a Christian marriage (there are so many others) then its kind of like trying to change the religion .. i mean thats whats in their book ..

That said .. I dont see an issue with legalizing other forms of marriage .. non Christian ... but personally im not a fan of marriage anyways ... :shhh:

I will repeat the story for you and may be you can clear it up as it seems you were there. The Creator created Adam the created Eve thats 2 humans. Now the had 2 sons Cain and Able that make 4 humans. Now Cain kills Able back down to 3 humans. Now Cain goes to the land of Nod and there he finds a wife what did he marry???
There is a very logical explanation for who Cain may have married. After Abel's murder and Cain's exile, Eve went on to produce many sons and daughters. Keep in mind that men in the days of Adam lived at least nine centuries. During Cain's exile in the land of Nod, it would not have been futille to wait on a bride produced of his mother's womb. Simply put Cain married one of his sisters.

Oh and what Adam race was Adam?? As there are many races of human where did they come from?? Oh and please provide proof as we don't need to hear what you and others believe. People believe the world was flate and the moon was made of cheese. No you are missing the point I don't believe in the Adam and Eve story it just a story like Moby Dick.


Adam was of no discreet race (black, white, asian), his race was probably rather ambiguous. Not until the earth's population expanded and settled in different regions, did discreete racial categories begin to appear. This would have come about through genetic mutation producing the racial variations we are familiar with today. This would have occurred naturally with susbsequent generations since Adam, simply put genetic evolution.

Victor, sir, sir, sir....in the KJV "knew" means "lay with" which means had sex with. This does not say that Cain met his wife in the Land of Nod. Feel better now that you have put in some insults, good for you.
Don't try to outsmart me, you don't know how to interpret the bible esp when you don't believe in it. See, you reading more than one verse but you not understanding it because it will prove you wrong. I have seen you read a verse that says " The sky is blue" and you would interpret it as "red" because "red" is what you want. And you adding more children in the Cain story is just like " The sky is blue" and you would interpret it as "red" because "red" is what you want. Oh and please point out what verse I have done this with.
Now here you are filling in the story so it will suit what you want. You see in one of the Bible creation stories there is Cain and Able as Adam and Eves sons and in the other story where it mentions the many sons and daughters of Adam and Eve there is no mention of Cain and Able. So you can't add them together to make it say what you want.
If you don't believe in it then don't quote it and don't try to prove it wrong to others who believe in it because you are doing a poor job at that too.The fact is the creation story is just a story and there are many of them. You just happen to believe and twist the Adam and Eve story to suit what you want it to say. But The Bible porves you wrong.
GLBT, came from men that is obvious. If it had come from God, He would have clearly made provisions for a man to be with Adam and a woman for Eve in the BEGINNING but He doesn't!!!!Where did men come from
The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the husband-wife relationships. Same goes for same sex couples or we would not be having this debate
When God created a partner for Adam He created Eve not another Adam.
If God had intended the human race to be fulfilled through both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, He would have designed our bodies to allow reproduction through both means and made both means of sexual intercourse healthy and natural.
Never said that. Since the fall of man, we have had our own ideas...GLBT is one of them.
He knows the future, but that does not confirm that He created GLBT.

The Creator created human kind knowing they would fall (as you call it) knowing GLBT would be apart of humanity. Thus knowingly created human kind to have GLBT in it. Nothing exists unless it is the intent of the Creator for it to exist. Nothing happens unless it is the intent of the Creator for it to happen.
Thus the Creator knew before the first grain of sand of the earth was created that there would be GLBT if not we would not exist its that simple.

I ask again
I suppose Jesus taught that you should treat others differently than you yourself would want to be treated??

That's why this discussion is useless we don't believe in the same God which is the bases of my views.

Really what gave you that idea??? I was pointing out the fact that not everyone in the world or in the Bahamas believes in you brand of christianity.

Really what gave you that idea??? I was pointing out the fact that not everyone in the world or in the Bahamas believes in you brand of christianity.

i would be the Christian that feels comfortable never going to church .. :p

I think she trying to tell you that you need to accept Christianity as it is. This christanity you speak of is built on a lie made law by a Roman Emperor. The murder of millions of people in the name of Jesus and is Pagan based. Accept yourself for who you are I have it is people that can't accept who I am because I don't fit the male or female ideal. and not only will most folks accept you.You will no longer have the need to twist the bible to suit your special needs.:angel: I don't twist the Bible maybe you and others do but I quote directly from it. Ya know....I really think many of us here have a higher opinion of you den you have of yourself,please explain what kind of opinion you are talking about. we know life must not be easy for you and admire your courage.:)

Victor, My given name is not Victor so please stop calling me that I didn't say that don't try to trap me. I said He is all-knowing and He did create a work that He was pleased with in the beginning, however, this does not say that He created GLBT. you saw His order in the beginning, it was man that went against His Order...God knew this would happen because He gave us freedom of choice...He let it play out because He wants us to choose Him

Freedom of choice! If the Creator knows the future then the Creator knows the so called choices thus the choice was made(created) for us. Read the Lords paryer it states "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven"
As far as the Creator is concerend the Creator knew/knows the end before the begining and vice versa.

Thank you.
Accept it as it is or leave it...God gave you freedom of choice but don't look down on me because I believe different from you or force me to accept you. Don't try to change my views to suit yours, this whole time I been debating what I believe marriage should remain...that's my view, that's my right.

don't look down on me because I believe different from you or force me to accept you. Don't try to change my views to suit yours, Just because I believe all human beings should be equal and should have legal rights to union out side any religious influance because not all humans are religious not to mention all the different types of religion.

There is a very logical explanation for who Cain may have married. After Abel's murder and Cain's exile, Eve went on to produce many sons and daughters. Sorry it does not say that in the Bible thus not logical at all Keep in mind that men in the days of Adam lived at least nine centuries. http://www.stoneagedoc.com/Short_lived_Stone_Age.htm
Think you need to brush up one your stone age history

During Cain's exile in the land of Nod, it would not have been futille to wait on a bride produced of his mother's womb. Simply put Cain married one of his sisters. Sorry the Bible does not say that
Adam was of no discreet race (black, white, asian), his race was probably rather ambiguous. Not until the earth's population expanded and settled in different regions, did discreete racial categories begin to appear. This would have come about through genetic mutation producing the racial variations we are familiar with today. This would have occurred naturally with susbsequent generations since Adam, simply put genetic evolution.

Wow you said evolution human evolution how can this be. But thats another debate. So then you are saying it was the Creators intent for different races to evolve from 2 humans but GLBT?? Yet there is proof of humans that are other than male or female.
There is the recent discovery of the hormone kisspeptin.

Sorry it does not say that in the Bible thus not logical at all

You obviously dont understand the meaning of the word logic. My explanation of Cain and his taking of a wife, was a method of reasoning based on information that is provided in the bible. I dont purport it as truth, but it makes sense when one utilizes the information given in the bible

http://www.stoneagedoc.com/Short_lived_Stone_Age.htm
Think you need to brush up one your stone age history

The bible clearly states the age of Adam. Obviously you dont believe the information in the bible, fair enough. Hence any information that I utilize from the bible for explanation is a futile attempt, if you alredy dont believe what is written.



Wow you said evolution human evolution how can this be. But thats another debate. So then you are saying it was the Creators intent for different races to evolve from 2 humans but GLBT?? Yet there is proof of humans that are other than male or female.
There is the recent discovery of the hormone kisspeptin.


I was making no inference to GBLT, I was responding directly to the questions on Cain and Adam. I dont care for the debate on GLBT.

This christanity you speak of is built on a lie made law by a Roman Emperor. The murder of millions of people in the name of Jesus and is Pagan based. I have it is people that can't accept who I am because I don't fit the male or female ideal. I don't twist the Bible maybe you and others do but I quote directly from it. please explain what kind of opinion you are talking about.

Poor thing.........Good luck......Perhaps you enjoy both being a living matyr and your tortured existance.Wateva..........I seen no positve result discussing dis any further.

Perfect example of the christian rights inability to respect other peoples religions and opinions. I dont care what your bible says (or your Koran, or book of mormon, or ancient druidic scripture...etc..). Why do you continue to insist on forcing your personal religious opinions onto me. This is the problem with you christian right wingers.... its not enough to be able to be free to believe what you want...(by all means go ahead)..the problem is that you want everyone to live by your religions rules (laws) even if we dont share in your beliefs.
:bye:


This thread is not to force my beliefs on you. I simply stated the event of Save the Family b/c addais asked....if you have a problem with what was said I can't help you. If you feel that someone judged you or forcing anything down your throat that's your problem...it's apparent you have issues in your life with other persons and you need to deal with it with those persons, instead of transferring them....

Poor thing.........Good luck......Perhaps you enjoy both being a living matyr and your tortured existance.Wateva..........I seen no positve result discussing dis any further.

Because you can't say anything else with out putting you foot in your mouth.