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Bahamas News
08-30-06, - 01:00 AM
Foreign Affairs Minister Fred Mitchell could be facing a legal battle as attorneys for accused drug kingpin Samuel "Ninety" Knowles threaten to take action after their client was extradited on Monday, despite a pending hearing in the Supreme Court.

Link To Original Article (http://www.jonesbahamas.com/?c=45&a=9841)

Rory
08-30-06, - 01:03 AM
WHat@!!!?????

A drug dealer to sue the government .. no way .. no where .. no how ..

this better not ever happen ... man that would be a sad day for law abiding citizens ...

Rory
08-30-06, - 01:12 AM
"Minister Mitchell signed the warrant of surrender, which cleared the way for Knowles’ extradition"

Mitchell did the right thing in this case ... moe power to him ..!!

de redhead
08-30-06, - 03:19 AM
"Minister Mitchell signed the warrant of surrender, which cleared the way for Knowles’ extradition"
Mitchell did the right thing in this case ... moe power to him ..!!


He did not do the right thing. Any and indeed every Bahamian has the right to due process, he did not receive it. Give the man his day in court and if the courts decide to send him do so, but it is not right to surrender a Bahamian to a foreign Government before his legal options are exhausted.

Rory
08-30-06, - 03:23 AM
He did not do the right thing. Any and indeed every Bahamian has the right to due process, he did not receive it. Give the man his day in court and if the courts decide to send him do so, but it is not right to surrender a Bahamian to a foreign Government before his legal options are exhausted.

Everybody knows he's a criminal ... that or their living under a rock .. let them have him .. our courts are worthless, cant handle a simple road traffic violation let alone a real crime ... one less drug dealer is a good thing always.

Now .. we gat other worthless drug dealers to get rid of ...lets get their slimey butts in jail .. here or there .. doesnt matter once they arent on the streets of the Bahamas .. they dont deserve to be considered a Bahamian, they kill and mame and are not humans ... they will be defeated!!!

de redhead
08-30-06, - 03:29 AM
Everybody knows he's a criminal ... that or their living under a rock .. let them have him .. our courts are worthless, cant handle a simple road traffic violation let alone a real crime ... one less drug dealer is a good thing always.


One less drug lord that has been convicted after all due process has been done is a good thing. It seems to me that you would not mind if we went out and rounded up and executed all persons that "everybody knows is a criminal". BTW I don't know he is a criminal, in fact I could not tell you anything about the man other than what I have heard, and I bet you couldn't either. I guess you know he is a criminal the same way that you know that PLP youth gangs were terrorizing Nassau in 2002. SMT:gi:

Rory
08-30-06, - 03:38 AM
One less drug lord that has been convicted after all due process has been done is a good thing. It seems to me that you would not mind if we went out and rounded up and executed all persons that "everybody knows is a criminal". BTW I don't know he is a criminal, in fact I could not tell you anything about the man other than what I have heard, and I bet you couldn't either. I guess you know he is a criminal the same way that you know that PLP youth gangs were terrorizing Nassau in 2002. SMT:gi:


for the youth gangs thats a fact, yes i saw them myself .. the slimey lil punks broke up my mirror ... they also pulled a white woman out her car shouting Anti FNM and Racial slurs and begun to beat her thinking she was FNM juz cuz she was white, they wore PLP t-shirts . ... and a black bahamian actually stepped into defend her and got beaten also .. the lil punks would have met my machete and steel sticks if i was there!

as for him .. yes ... just like Burrows, Pudgie, etc ... where you living homie??
this da Bahamas, not da Bananas ... everyone knows where the drug dealers live and operate ... okra hill needs to be bulldozed thats a start ... next lets clean up them punks on kemp road...

now this a first though .. this your boy PLP and all .. what happen, one of your family is a drug dealer hey :)

Befoe you throw that legal rights stuff back in my face,
realise i could care less what happens to a drug dealer ...

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de redhead
08-30-06, - 03:55 AM
for the youth gangs thats a fact, yes i saw them myself .. the slimey lil punks broke up my mirror ... they also pulled a white woman out her car shouting Anti FNM and Racial slurs and begun to beat her thinking she was FNM juz cuz she was white, they wore PLP t-shirts . ... and a black bahamian actually stepped into defend her and got beaten also .. the lil punks would have met my machete and steel sticks if i was there!

as for him .. yes ... just like Burrows, Pudgie, etc ... where you living homie??
this da Bahamas, not da Bananas ... everyone knows where the drug dealers live and operate ... okra hill needs to be bulldozed thats a start ... next lets clean up them punks on kemp road...

now this a first though .. this your boy PLP and all .. what happen, one of your family is a drug dealer hey :)

Befoe you throw that legal rights stuff back in my face,
realise i could care less what happens to a drug dealer ...


I don't even know any drug dealers, you seem to know them all. I guess we should just ask you who they are and go lock them up and throw away the key.

As for the slimey lil punks pulling a white woman out of her car and shouting anti FNM and racial slurs I guess you witnessed this also, oh no you were just saying what you would have done if you were there so I guess you didn't witness that. BTW why didn't they meet your machete and steel sticks when they broke your mirror? Or weren't you there then either. I am not saying that either incident could not have happened but if it did (which I doubt) I doubt seriously that any PLP official had anything to do with it or encouraged it. As to the question of me having any drug dealers in my family that is just as valid as my asking you if you have any racists and slave traders in your family every time you defend white bahamians and their persecution of blacks.

Rory
08-30-06, - 03:59 AM
... my asking you if you have any racists and slave traders in your family every time you defend white bahamians and their persecution of blacks.


so do you ... have any racists and slave traders in your family??
since you brought up the persecution of white Bahamians ..

Rory
08-30-06, - 04:10 AM
I don't even know any drug dealers, you seem to know them all.

so you do live under a rock??


I guess we should just ask you who they are and go lock them up and throw away the key.

sure but i think the cops should be able to handle that .. at least they should be able to ..??


As for the slimey lil punks pulling a white woman out of her car and shouting anti FNM and racial slurs I guess you witnessed this also, oh no you were just saying what you would have done if you were there so I guess you didn't witness that.

no I wasnt der massa, but if yah like i an call the lady it happened to and she can send you the hospital photos though ...


BTW why didn't they meet your machete and steel sticks when they broke your mirror? Or weren't you there then either.

they was lucky lil bastids ...
i didnt have my "self defence" tools on me then ...


I am not saying that either incident could not have happened but if it did (which I doubt) I doubt seriously that any PLP official had anything to do with it or encouraged it.

i never said a PLP official had anything to do with it, but these evil lil punks were certainly a youth gang which just happenned to support the PLP the night the PLP won the election, and they hated white Bahamians; take that as you will, as im sure you will.

Rory
08-30-06, - 04:18 AM
Less put a spin on dis .. 1992, FNM wins. .. bunch of white bahamian beys wearing FNM shirts drag non white Bahamians out of a car/s and beat them .. they shout racial slurs to other non white Bahamians, they walk up, lets say for kicks .. your street ... breaking up street signs (yeah i know they are rare in the Bahamas but lets juz say), maybe they break your mirror even (remember they are wearing FNM t-shirts now) ... what would you call them???

canewry
08-30-06, - 01:02 PM
Ninety May Sue Minister
By Macushla N. Pinder
Foreign Affairs Minister Fred Mitchell could be facing a legal battle as attorneys for accused drug kingpin Samuel "Ninety" Knowles threaten to take action after their client was extradited on Monday, despite a pending hearing in the Supreme Court.
Minister Mitchell signed the warrant of surrender, which cleared the way for Knowles’ extradition.

Roger Minnis, one of Knowles’ attorneys, who was there at the time Knowles was whisked away by a team of officers from the Drug Enforcement Unit, confirmed plans to sue the minister in his official capacity.

"What he did is really in contempt of court," Mr. Minnis claimed. "The question is whether or not the client would agree [to sue the minister]. So, we have to seek his instructions first…I really don’t know if he would agree to this."

In a letter addressed to Mr. Mitchell, dated August 29, Mr. Minnis and his colleague, Edward Fitzgerald, said they were "dismayed and shocked" by the minister’s conduct.

"This scenario amounts to the pre-emption of the judicial process by the executive. Moreover, this action was quite contrary to a specific undertaking given in open court before Justice Small that Mr. Knowles would not be extradited whilst legal proceedings were pending," the letter stated.

"We are proposing to take committal proceedings for contempt of court as a result of your actions. We are also further minded to take Mr. Knowles’ case to the Inter-American Organization for Human Rights."

According to Mr. Minnis, his client was taken away from Her Majesty’s Prison around 4pm Monday, shortly after Minister Mitchell signed the warrant of surrender for Mr. Knowles to face extradition charges in the United States.

"He never voluntarily surrendered into the U.S.’ custody. I got a letter from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs around midday Monday and immediately drafted an affidavit and attached the letter I wrote to the minister. I also prepared the application for leave to do a judicial review and obtain an order prohibiting them from sending him," Mr. Minnis explained.

"I got to the prison about 2:30pm, was able to see him and he signed the affidavit. By that time, he had not gotten anything from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs just yet. I went to explain the situation to the (prison) superintendent. On my way out, I met him in the (prison) courtyard and several senior officers were already preparing to turn him over to the DEU. Fifteen minutes later, he was gone. They took him out without incident."

Knowles, whose wife was visiting him at the time, reportedly appeared startled by the entire situation. He was not allowed to speak to his attorney.

"He appeared as if he had not really absorbed that this was happening to him," Mr. Minnis said. "He left in a pair of slippers, basketball pants and a t-shirt."

At last report, Knowles was being held at the Federal Detention Centre in downtown Miami, Florida.

The London-based Privy Council recently dismissed Knowles’ appeal, clearing the way for extradition.

The high court actually made two separate rulings because Knowles’ attorneys had filed two separate appeals since he is fighting two extradition requests.

The first was made on March 26, 2001, months after a federal grand jury in the United States indicted Knowles and others on counts of conspiracy to possess cocaine and marijuana with the intent to distribute and conspiracy to import the same drugs in the United States between November 11, 1997 and December 8, 2000.

The second request was made on February 6, 2002. It charged Knowles and others with counts of conspiracy to smuggle cocaine into the United States between June 1995 and 1997.

There is however an outstanding application before the Supreme Court seeking his release, as pointed out by the Privy Council in its ruling.

Knowles’ application in Supreme Court was based on U.S. President George Bush’s reference to the accused as a drug kingpin.

His attorneys have maintained that such a label would prevent their client from receiving a fair trial.

The application was to have been heard in the Supreme Court by Justice Small on May 12 and 13, 2005. But that has not yet taken place.

Knowles’ attorneys recently appeared before Justice Lyons and secured a hearing date for the habeas corpus application to be heard on September 28 and 29, 2006.

It is a development that left many, including attorney Damien Gomez, wondering why the government pushed ahead with signing the warrant given that the Supreme Court matter is still outstanding.

"I am completely flabbergasted by what has happened," Mr. Gomez said when he called yesterday into the Love 97 programme, "Issues of the Day".

"This is inexplicable that the government would essentially render worthless the outstanding habeas corpus proceedings before the Supreme Court. There is no point in proceeding because there is no way that the order of the court – if it were granted – could be enforced," added Mr. Gomez, who is also a government senator.

Neither Minister Mitchell nor Attorney General Allyson Maynard-Gibson could be reached for comment on the matter, but the Ministry of Foreign Affairs made the formal announcement in a brief statement yesterday.

On "Issues of the Day", callers had mixed views on whether Knowles would be able to get a fair trial in the United States.

"Mr. Knowles should not have been sent to the United States," said one caller. "He will not have a fair trial."

But there were some who agreed with the government’s decision.

"If he has to be extradited to go ahead and face these crimes, let him go," said another caller.

"He would get a better trial in the States…That’s where all the drugs are going. It’s killing their people."

Mr. Knowles is expected to appear before a court as early as Thursday morning for a first time hearing.

nationbuilder
08-30-06, - 02:04 PM
BTW I don't know he is a criminal, in fact I could not tell you anything about the man other than what I have heard, and I bet you couldn't either. I guess you know he is a criminal the same way that you know that PLP youth gangs were terrorizing Nassau in 2002. SMT:gi:

Oh come on redhead. 90 was CONVICTED IN BAHAMIAN COURT on drug dealing charges man! Yall really gotta stop with the "I dont know 90 is a criminal" foolishness.

See this is why people on this board who like to feign stances like non-partisanship for instance lose their credibility, even on matters such as these.

If you dont know 90 is a criminal, then I submit that there are a myriad of other well known things in this nation you also do not know..SMT.

Tafadhali
08-30-06, - 02:28 PM
Oh come on redhead. 90 was CONVICTED IN BAHAMIAN COURT on drug dealing charges man! Yall really gotta stop with the "I dont know 90 is a criminal" foolishness.
See this is why people on this board who like to feign stances like non-partisanship for instance lose their credibility, even on matters such as these.
If you dont know 90 is a criminal, then I submit that there are a myriad of other well known things in this nation you also do not know..SMT.

girl that's the christian in him speaking...I never see him sell no dope but the girl round the corner who got the bastard child from he brother did ;) the fame of 90 and all he money and how he get that name...let this be a lesson to Bahamian youth and the other dope peddlers...the money willl run out you will be in jail or dead...it een worth it...work hard...take the hard road...you een wah end up like 90...a jail bird...the only bird who cant fly!

de redhead
08-30-06, - 02:35 PM
Oh come on redhead. 90 was CONVICTED IN BAHAMIAN COURT on drug dealing charges man! Yall really gotta stop with the "I dont know 90 is a criminal" foolishness.
See this is why people on this board who like to feign stances like non-partisanship for instance lose their credibility, even on matters such as these.
If you dont know 90 is a criminal, then I submit that there are a myriad of other well known things in this nation you also do not know..SMT.


I was not aware that he was convicted. All that I know about the man is what I hear, I am completely unbiased as regards him as I don't know him. I do believe that he is guilty of all that he is accused of as people that I know and trust have told me as much.

The only point that I was attempting to make without all the political foolishness was that the man should have been allowed to have his process completed. That way there would be no question about his rights or the legality of his extradition. I don't care about him or his fate, personally I think that he is F'ed but he probably deserves it. What he also deserved was his day in court. If he was sent there this week or two weeks from now made no difference to anyone but The Bush Administration who are attempting to draw attention away from The Katrina anniversary and place it on another foreigner that has been attacking America and all she stands for. This man will get as fair a trial as Saddam Hussein, no more no less. Now you take that any way you like.